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08-22-2006, 10:34 AM
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Leetch back? What does this guy know?

Check out this guy Andy Strickland (a Blues beat reporter and ESPN radio) at http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=2658 Have no clue what info this guy might have...Maybe nothing...But he is usually very informed about the Blues, even if he wrote on more then one occasion to forget Rucisnky because he was soon to sign with the Rangers...

WHo knows..All i know is that I still won't be surprised if Leetch signs with the Rangers for a year.

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When it comes to dealing with the Blues or former Blues,Andy's info is solid.Where he got the Leetch story from?

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08-22-2006, 10:46 AM
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not seein' it.

Seems like it's just another "omg, where is he gonna sign? It's gotta be the Rangers cuz he's a lifelong Rangers and must retire there!"

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not seein' it.

Seems like it's just another "omg, where is he gonna sign? It's gotta be the Rangers cuz he's a lifelong Rangers and must retire there!"
Could be, but he doesn't seem the type to play that game with his reports..ANd given what we have manning our PP right now (Roszival? Rachunek), I can still see an upgrade needed..

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08-22-2006, 10:54 AM
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ok, who's gonna sit then?

The Rangers have 6 NHL defenseman right now, and many other guys who can play the 7th D role.

Who does Leetch knock out of the lineup?

I'd take these Leetch rumors a lot more seriously if the Rangers didn't already have a full backline.

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ok, who's gonna sit then?

The Rangers have 6 NHL defenseman right now, and many other guys who can play the 7th D role.

Who does Leetch knock out of the lineup?

I'd take these Leetch rumors a lot more seriously if the Rangers didn't already have a full backline.
Hate to pass on a arguement, But I don't think Leetch is coming back also....for the reaons you mention...But, I Just don't think it's out of the realm of possibility..Personally, I'd have no problem either trading or sitting/rotating Rachunek at the onset..

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If Leetch and Sather can Kiss and make up, which is entirely possible I'm sure he'd like to return AND he could be useful.

Someone would have to be moved to make room.

Rangers have other needs:

A quality playmaking Center

Another finisher on RW.


But who's out there that is a available AND good Bang for the Buck. What team will sacrafice their stud Center for a package from the Rangers that includes some of the D Corp?

All that said....I would not be surprised if he ended up working for JD

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08-22-2006, 11:08 AM
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Hate to pass on a arguement, But I don't think Leetch is coming back also....for the reaons you mention...But, I Just don't think it's out of the realm of possibility..Personally, I'd have no problem either trading or sitting/rotating Rachunek at the onset..
problem is that Rachunek is a legit defenseman who's too good to just be sat down. Sure you could trade him, but trading a player in his 20's to make room for a guy in his late 30's who will basically just be a PP specialist? I'll pass.

and IMO Rachunek could be a better player for the Rangers next year than Leetch would be. When he's on his game, he provides solid defense, moves the puck well, and can put up some points. He's a legit top 4 guy as long as he's on his game.

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problem is that Rachunek is a legit defenseman who's too good to just be sat down. Sure you could trade him, but trading a player in his 20's to make room for a guy in his late 30's who will basically just be a PP specialist? I'll pass.

and IMO Rachunek could be a better player for the Rangers next year than Leetch would be. When he's on his game, he provides solid defense, moves the puck well, and can put up some points. He's a legit top 4 guy as long as he's on his game.
In your eyes. We obviously disagree big time on Rachunek and it's just throwing around of opinions..And while you might pass on such movement, A GM might not, if he could get something worthwhile in return...Only time will tell how good Rachunek plays...One thing though, a PP specialist could be one of the most important parts of a team given the way the game ws called....Odds are if your PP reeks, you ain't gonna go to far....

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In your eyes. We obviously disagree big time on Rachunek and it's just throwing around of opinions..And while you might pass on such movement, A GM might not, if he could get something worthwhile in return...Only time will tell how good Rachunek plays...One thing though, a PP specialist could be one of the most important parts of a team given the way the game ws called....Odds are if your PP reeks, you ain't gonna go to far....
If Leetch comes back, I think its a safe bet that either Rozsival or Rachunek will be moved. We're a little close to both them but I can see there being pretty decent interest in either one of them. There's always a market for defensemen.

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If Leetch comes back, I think its a safe bet that either Rozsival or Rachunek will be moved. We're a little close to both them but I can see there being pretty decent interest in either one of them. There's always a market for defensemen.
I just think Leetch is a liability at this point. If they move a solid top-6 d-man to make room for him it'd be a bad move, because Leetch is fragile now to say the least. I want Leetch back at the garden to have his number retired, not to play.

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If the guys name wasn't Leetch we still aren't talking about this because he'd be called what he is: a 38 year old defenseman on his last legs who is aging fast and really struggles to play defense at this point while MAYBE popping in 45-50 some odd points.

Not a huge Rachunek fan or Rosival for that matter, but at this point they've shown a bit more than Leetch at this point in his career and they'd actually be able to play for us next season as well.

Forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling that memories bring, the team should not be looking to move 27 year old defensemen who at the very least are #4 defenseman for an aging pp specialist whose health and defensive ability are in question right now.

To me an upgrade is only an upgrade if it blends with what you have. I dont see this team having the ability to cover what Leetch would bring at this point.

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I'd hate to go in the opposite direction of a rebuild at this point. We are doing so well with building a core, it is silly to me to sacrifice that for what can only be a marginal gain in a season that we are not contenders. I would rather suffer through a non-playoff season to build towards something better a few years down the road.

As for the rumor, we seem to have dodged ever single off season bullet in regards to not signing these guys that all the experts predicted we would.

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If the guys name wasn't Leetch we still aren't talking about this because he'd be called what he is: a 38 year old defenseman on his last legs who is aging fast and really struggles to play defense at this point while MAYBE popping in 45-50 some odd points.

Not a huge Rachunek fan or Rosival for that matter, but at this point they've shown a bit more than Leetch at this point in his career and they'd actually be able to play for us next season as well.

Forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling that memories bring, the team should not be looking to move 27 year old defensemen who at the very least are #4 defenseman for an aging pp specialist whose health and defensive ability are in question right now.

To me an upgrade is only an upgrade if it blends with what you have. I dont see this team having the ability to cover what Leetch would bring at this point.

Persoanlly, I'm not for signing Leetch at all, but I still think it could happen and also think it has the possibility of being an improvement if it did ..I'm aware of Leetch's defensive liabilities but IF he can still play the offensive game and the PP, I think he is an upgrade (especially on the PP) on what we have..Honestly, neither Rachyunek nor Roszival have ever showed anything regarding PP performance and because of their own defensive holes I can not agree with you that they are, at the very least, a #4 defenseman...Not the Rachunek I remember from his last year in Ottawa and NY..

As a GM, I would not be looking to sign Leetch, but I would be looking to up grade my defense (including the offensive output and PP), which I find very suspect...

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I'd hate to go in the opposite direction of a rebuild at this point. We are doing so well with building a core, it is silly to me to sacrifice that for what can only be a marginal gain in a season that we are not contenders. I would rather suffer through a non-playoff season to build towards something better a few years down the road.

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I understand what you are talking about , but what core would be sacrificed? And I really think the Rangers have all intentions of winning a PO series this year..

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Maybe we'll dress 7 D????

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Maybe there is inside info that Ozo will be off our payroll???

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If the guys name wasn't Leetch we still aren't talking about this because he'd be called what he is: a 38 year old defenseman on his last legs who is aging fast and really struggles to play defense at this point while MAYBE popping in 45-50 some odd points.

Not a huge Rachunek fan or Rosival for that matter, but at this point they've shown a bit more than Leetch at this point in his career and they'd actually be able to play for us next season as well.

Forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling that memories bring, the team should not be looking to move 27 year old defensemen who at the very least are #4 defenseman for an aging pp specialist whose health and defensive ability are in question right now.

To me an upgrade is only an upgrade if it blends with what you have. I dont see this team having the ability to cover what Leetch would bring at this point.
Well put. agree.

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If the guys name wasn't Leetch we still aren't talking about this because he'd be called what he is: a 38 year old defenseman on his last legs who is aging fast and really struggles to play defense at this point while MAYBE popping in 45-50 some odd points.

Not a huge Rachunek fan or Rosival for that matter, but at this point they've shown a bit more than Leetch at this point in his career and they'd actually be able to play for us next season as well.

Forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling that memories bring, the team should not be looking to move 27 year old defensemen who at the very least are #4 defenseman for an aging pp specialist whose health and defensive ability are in question right now.

To me an upgrade is only an upgrade if it blends with what you have. I dont see this team having the ability to cover what Leetch would bring at this point.
Couldnt agree more, I love Leetch, when he was with the Rangers he was easily one of the best players on the ice. But I just dont think he fits in with this current team.

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for all the talk about Leetch improving the PP...does anyone actually remember how the PP ran last year? Everything goes through Jagr, not through a pointman. While Ozo did help distribute the puck better when he played, the PP still didn't run through him and ultimately the Rangers PP depends on how well Jagr plays. I don't see that changing, and I don't see Leetch making any huge improvements to the PP when it's still mainly going to be Jagr running it.

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Persoanlly, I'm not for signing Leetch at all, but I still think it could happen and also think it has the possibility of being an improvement if it did ..I'm aware of Leetch's defensive liabilities but IF he can still play the offensive game and the PP, I think he is an upgrade (especially on the PP) on what we have..Honestly, neither Rachyunek nor Roszival have ever showed anything regarding PP performance and because of their own defensive holes I can not agree with you that they are, at the very least, a #4 defenseman...Not the Rachunek I remember from his last year in Ottawa and NY..

As a GM, I would not be looking to sign Leetch, but I would be looking to up grade my defense (including the offensive output and PP), which I find very suspect...
I just have to disagree with you Larry (brings back memories).

As I said, not really a huge Roszival or Rachunek fan but to rank them any less than even #4 defenseman is a bit extreme.

They are far from perfect defenseman and they certainly have their problems, but Rachunek has shown that when healthy he was at least capable of 30 some odd points. In the new NHL maybe even around 40.

Roszival warts and all has still shown he can get 30.

Are they elite? Far from it, but Leetch it really at best a 40-50 point defenseman at this point. So to move one of these guys for that point difference just doesn't seem worth it to me, especially that I really don't think Leetch is even as good as them with defense at this point. That doesn't say much really, but we're hoping that Leetch stays healthy and can fire on all Cyliners to get realistic probably 10 or so more points than a guy like Rachunek. And most of the points are going to come on the powerplay only. What about the other 50 some odd minutes of the game?

In order to pull that off you've got to rely on the other 5 defenseman even more and frankly I don't think that'll work. So now in order to limit his weaknesses, you've got to not only keep Brian out of certain situations but now you've got to make ANOTHER deal just to find someone who can cover for him when he's out there AND eat up more minutes because you're working with less defenseman.

That's where a lot of my problem with the move comes from. And for what really?

10 or so extra points? Maybe 15 if everything falls right? The hope that Leetch hasn't fallen even further from where he was last season? At this point every season is taking a very noticeable deduction from Leetch's ability and production, expecting even last year's point pace might be a bit much.

To me those extra points just wouldn't make up for what we'd lose at even strength or how we'd have to compensate the pairings to even get those 10 points.

And all of this is under best case scenarios in which Leetch is even still a 45-50 point defenseman.

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for all the talk about Leetch improving the PP...does anyone actually remember how the PP ran last year? Everything goes through Jagr, not through a pointman. While Ozo did help distribute the puck better when he played, the PP still didn't run through him and ultimately the Rangers PP depends on how well Jagr plays. I don't see that changing, and I don't see Leetch making any huge improvements to the PP when it's still mainly going to be Jagr running it.
The Rangers PP was pretty good last season. But there were times that it was dangerously predictable. Jagr runs it fine, but can only benefit by having a guy like Leetch on the back end. He brings a creativity to the PP that I felt was sorely lacking last year.

Having said that, unless they trade someone, I want no part of him. Not sure that I'd advocate it either.

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[QUOTE=Levitate;6341063]for all the talk about Leetch improving the PP...does anyone actually remember how the PP ran last year? Everything goes through Jagr, not through a pointman. QUOTE]


True enough, but if teams figure out a way to defend it, which some do (The PP was downright pathetic at times), and/or Jagr goes out for even a little bit of time, you need another option and/or mode of attack...with or without a Leetch..

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