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08-22-2006, 04:50 PM
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Bergeron Contract !

I beleive the 21 yr old Bergeron just got 4.75 mill per year,

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08-22-2006, 04:53 PM
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Doesn't it make you wonder why in heck they ever got rid of Thorton.

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08-22-2006, 04:58 PM
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Unfrikken believable. I think this might be the worst of the off season, right up there with paying Brad Richards close to 8 mil.

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08-22-2006, 05:00 PM
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This will definitely complicate things with Gagne... weren't you trying to sign him for around 4 million?

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he's the heart of our team. I for one am happy we have him locked up for 5 years.

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08-22-2006, 05:11 PM
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he's the heart of our team. I for one am happy we have him locked up for 5 years.
I don't really care what he is, he's 21 years old, making nearly $5 million a season. What was the lockout for?

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08-22-2006, 05:14 PM
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he might be overpaid today, but in another year or two he will be a steal of a contract.

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08-22-2006, 05:15 PM
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I don't really care what he is, he's 21 years old, making nearly $5 million a season. What was the lockout for?
Everyone knew the good players are still gonna get paid. It's the not-so-good guys that will have lose half of their salary.

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08-22-2006, 05:17 PM
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No way in hell he should be making that much. Thats more than Staal and Spezza, and Bergeron hasn't even hit a ppg.

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08-22-2006, 05:18 PM
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I don't really care what he is, he's 21 years old, making nearly $5 million a season. What was the lockout for?
Having a salary Cap? I see that your mind is still stocked in pre-lock-out era...

Signing a 73pts, the youngest Bruins ever to score 30g in a season with huge upside Bergeron at 4.75M isn't a mistake. At worst, it is an overpayment for the first 2 years. He would have been an UFA in 4 years at 25y old. If an 31yold and injury prone Koivu got 4.5M, how much do you think Bergy would have gotten at 25y on the open market?

Gomez and Briere got 5M in arbitration. Havlat and Gabo signed for ~6M per. Watch for Staal in 3 years. What will he sign for? More or less than 4.75M?

Overpay now, save BIG later. Thats how the better GM's will operate from now on.

On the other hand, signing the Murray's, Hatcher's and over the hill UFA to their figures IS a mistake. Not the Bergy contract.

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No way in hell he should be making that much. Thats more than Staal and Spezza, and Bergeron hasn't even hit a ppg.
Yeah. Because players must be paid for point production and past performance. I see you are still thinking past CBA.

So, by your superb logic, can you tell me why Hatcher deserves 3.5M? Koivu 4.5M?

Staal signed for 13.5/3years so 4.5M. For the next 3 years, Bergy will count for 250k more. But for year 4+5, how much Staal will get if he keeps his production and show the upside he has? Easily the 6M Havlat got. Bergeron will still be at 4.75M and lost 1 UFA years in the process. See the big picture now?

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08-22-2006, 05:48 PM
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I agree, if everything goes right Bergeron at less than $5mil will be a great deal especially in the last 2 years of that contract. And he'll still be a RFA when the contract is done right?

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08-22-2006, 05:54 PM
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Doesnt shock me

This kid had stints at the start and end of the season where he was playing amazing hockey and he has plenty of upside.

I saw a post above asking "makes you wonder why they ever traded Thornton," but I think the signing that begs that a lot more is Savard. I think Savard peaked last year but is still getting $5M. They have obviously done an about face but I dunno if you can recover from trading a 26 year-old Art Ross winner with a pretty reasonable deal (substantially less than Richards in TB or Chara there, though I understand why he commanded so much).

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Everyone knew the good players are still gonna get paid. It's the not-so-good guys that will have lose half of their salary.

Exactly. Everyone knows that the top line guys will get their money but the "role" players may not.

Also, people should keep in mind that Bergeron did give up 1 year as a ufa, as well.

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The Bruins identified their best player, got him locked up long term and paid him for what his output represents.

Bergeron cannot be defined alone on points. He is one of the better defensive forwards I have seen in a Bruin uniform in many years. Soon he should get some league recognition for this as well. After Thornton left and he was allowed to have consistent linemates he averaged a PPG without a second line to speak of. He is a great faceoff guy and literally embodies everything the Bruins want in a hockey player.

4.75? Thats a deal from my view. The fact that we have him locked up and wont have to deal with a huge ballooning of a salary in two years is well worth it.

In the old CBA a deal like this would never happen. In the new CBA this is the correct way to do business.

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i dont thinkt his is a bad contract but makes you realize that keeping players like calder, gagne, forsberg, carter, umberger, and pitkanen all on the same team may be a challenge.

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No way in hell he should be making that much. Thats more than Staal and Spezza, and Bergeron hasn't even hit a ppg.
after the trade when the team was Bergerons he scored over a ppg. Look it up. This kids gonna be a stud, and it's not all about points, he has an overall game with grit and leadership.

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I don't really care what he is, he's 21 years old, making nearly $5 million a season. What was the lockout for?
this one's a lot similiar to the rick nash deal...severe overpayment in return for a longterm deal that could end up being beneficial to the team in the long run.

the real thing to worry about it the years to come is RFAs, with no other leverage than salary arbitration, can't point to contracts like this one (and ones like havlat got, and nash) and argue pretty strongly how they're worth, statistically, atleast 3/4 that much.

that's where the salary inflation could really start kicking in again.

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08-22-2006, 07:39 PM
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this one's a lot similiar to the rick nash deal...severe overpayment in return for a longterm deal that could end up being beneficial to the team in the long run.

the real thing to worry about it the years to come is RFAs, with no other leverage than salary arbitration, can't point to contracts like this one (and ones like havlat got, and nash) and argue pretty strongly how they're worth, statistically, atleast 3/4 that much.

that's where the salary inflation could really start kicking in again.
If we are speaking relatively (in regards to other members of the team and their salaries) Bergeron is most certainly "worth" 4.75m based on his current play. As he improves the deal just keeps getting better for us.

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08-22-2006, 07:57 PM
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All of this talk about being so close to the cap and I don't think anyone has mentioned injuries- any game a player doesn't play 9due to injury or even being scratched), 1/82 of their contract will not count against the cap. The P-Bruin replacing them will be making much less. Over an 82 game season, it may or may not be a factor in the cap total.

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08-22-2006, 08:06 PM
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he might be overpaid today, but in another year or two he will be a steal of a contract.
Why, you think the cap will go up every year?

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Why, you think the cap will go up every year?
i dont see what the cap has to do with it

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All of this talk about being so close to the cap and I don't think anyone has mentioned injuries- any game a player doesn't play 9due to injury or even being scratched), 1/82 of their contract will not count against the cap. The P-Bruin replacing them will be making much less. Over an 82 game season, it may or may not be a factor in the cap total.
Unfortunately, that isn't how the cap works. If a player misses a game, his contract still counts against the cap. If he misses more then 10 in a row, a replacement player can be named and the replacement player's contract will not count against the cap for the duration of the time the player is out. When the player returns, the team must once again get themselves below the cap.

I know that Bergeron's a nice player (and will be very very good), but this is overpayment without a doubt. He's 21, he's an RFA, and he has ZERO BARGAINING POWER. Yes they took up a year of UFA and that required them to pay him more for that 5th season, but paying him this much certainly wasn't necessary. They overpaid, but at least they're showing commitment to their young talent.

For the Flyers, this probably won't be good. Jeff Carter should be able to match what Bergeron did last year, even with 2nd line minutes. At that point, Jeff will be in line for a HUGE raise.

Ironically, the team that it is most likely to effect in the short run is the team that set of the precedent for these types of deals, the Columbus Blue Jackets. I'd really love to hear the Jackets argument for paying Zherdev 2 mil a season on a short term deal coming off a 54 point season when they rewarded Nash with a 5 yr, 5.4 mil per deal coming off a 58 point season.

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i dont see what the cap has to do with it
Because otherwise it means that paying Bergeron 4.75 mil as an RFA is a steal and paying ANYONE 4.75 mil as an RFA isn't a steal, how can it be? The player doesn't have bargaining power without arbitration rights, there was no need to reward him with this kind of deal coming off a 73 point season.

That being said, I'm sure Bruins fans are thrilled Patrice will be around for 5 more years and that management has shown a committment to youth and building around the right player. For that reason, congrats to B's fans.

BTW, the B's will be in cap HELL next season with 29 mil on the books for 8 players. I don't see how they could possibly retain Sturm or Stewart beyond this season.

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08-23-2006, 10:32 AM
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BTW, the B's will be in cap HELL next season with 29 mil on the books for 8 players. I don't see how they could possibly retain Sturm or Stewart beyond this season.
Which is why the cap has everything to do with this contract. If the cap goes down next year, good luck to the Bruins.

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