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08-28-2006, 05:17 PM
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Available LW

Axelsson does not appear to be a availible, or at least not for Volchenkov. What LWers from around the league do you think would be avilible for a package of Volchenkov and Kelly?

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08-28-2006, 05:28 PM
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We dont need anyone right now. I would rather wait till training camp comes along and see if someone like Vermette,McCammond or Fisher could win that job. No need to give away assets when you dont need too.

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08-28-2006, 05:30 PM
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Dean McAmmond, Peter Schaefer, Antoine Vermette, Patrick Eaves and Mike Fisher are all available to play left wing and because they are already signed by the Sens, it's going to make acquiring them a snap. We don't even have to trade anyone to get them.

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08-28-2006, 05:57 PM
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Arttu Lutinen could pick a LW spot too...

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Our forwards are set as far as I'm concerned.

Heatley-Spezza-Eaves
Vermette-Kaigorodov-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Neil
McAmmond-Kelly-McGrattan

We also have Luttinen, Hamel, Payer, Hennessey, and a few others that will be fighting for the last forward spot. No use for another forward.

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08-28-2006, 06:28 PM
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The media-Garrioch- seems to be manufacturing the myth Senators have a lack of depth at LW. With Kaigorodov being signed, the team has a few candidates that have already been mentioned, which will form a solid group of LWs.

That being said, if he is available, Ryan Malone for Volchenkov trade would be something I hope Muckler would at least consider.

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08-28-2006, 06:41 PM
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Our forwards are set as far as I'm concerned.

Heatley-Spezza-Eaves
Vermette-Kaigorodov-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Neil
McAmmond-Kelly-McGrattan

We also have Luttinen, Hamel, Payer, Hennessey, and a few others that will be fighting for the last forward spot. No use for another forward.
+ Allison + Schubert

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08-28-2006, 06:44 PM
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Our forwards are set as far as I'm concerned.

Heatley-Spezza-Eaves
Vermette-Kaigorodov-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Neil
McAmmond-Kelly-McGrattan

We also have Luttinen, Hamel, Payer, Hennessey, and a few others that will be fighting for the last forward spot. No use for another forward.

To Muckler's credit and a little bit of luck(Kaigs), the team is looking pretty sweet.

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08-28-2006, 06:52 PM
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+ Allison + Schubert
Allison is a defenceman, and I fully expect Schubert to be the first defence and forward call-up.

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08-28-2006, 07:13 PM
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Allison is a defenceman, and I fully expect Schubert to be the first defence and forward call-up.
Not sure what will happen with these two guys, I heard that Allison signed a one way contract which makes no sense. He won't make the opening day roster and will either ride the pine like Schubert did last year or he will walk, unless he signed a two way and reports to Bingo. In both cases these players are put on waivers before they report to Bingo and in Schubert's case will get picked up by someone else. That is why he was in the press box last year instead of being sent to Bingo.

I think that the Sens will only carry 21 players again this year so there is a possibility we may lose a player or two through waivers if we try and return them to Bingo. Does anybody know which players will be effected by the waiver rules?

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Relax...just for a month.

I think we need to all take a deep breath and see where the current roster preforms. Our team went through some serious adjustments this past offseason, and lost some pretty great players.

Now, with that said, we're also seeing the addition of 2 new defensemen, 1 new starting goalie and 2 new forwards. Quite frankly, I like all of the additions. They seem to be good players who can put the puck in the net, and its not like we're going to forget how to play defense.

I'm very eager to see how we play with Kaigorodov and McAmmond. I think those two guys could make the loss of Havlat much more bareable. Especially for under 2 million. Let's take a "wait and see" approach.

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08-28-2006, 09:42 PM
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I like the idea of Malone, he'd be a solid addition. My thinking is that Volchenkov will be underused and getting another forward that can play on the left side on the second line would be perfect. McAmmond is NOT a 2nd liner. He may have played 2nd line on some bad ST.Louis, Chicago and Calgary teams, but when he was in Colorado, a much better team at the time and as the Sens are now, he could not cut it.

Also depending on a Russian rookie to be part of your full time second line is a risky proposition. I'd rather test out Vermette there.

I'm not saying make a trade now, I would just like us to speculate as to who might be a good trading partner and who we might fetch for an under used player who is potentially being relegated to spare part status.

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08-28-2006, 10:10 PM
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Better to try a rookie with potential, then a guy that has failed in the past.

But what we really need is a veteran with playoff experience that can shoot the puck or who is a scoring line forward known to drive the net hard. We have no veterans with cup experience and only two full time forwards that can really shoot the puck. That is what we have to try to get if we are letting V go.

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Pittsburgh thinks the Malone for Volchenkov its to little for them to get Volchenkov (I posted a thread). Maybe a second round pick to go with that. The only thing i dont like about that is, there is reason why they call him the "A-train." I mean maybe, Lyamin could eventually fill that role or someone, but it still worries me.

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Pittsburgh thinks the Malone for Volchenkov its to little for them to get Volchenkov (I posted a thread). Maybe a second round pick to go with that. The only thing i dont like about that is, there is reason why they call him the "A-train." I mean maybe, Lyamin could eventually fill that role or someone, but it still worries me.
I want no part of Malone. Penguins fans describe him as lazy, unmotivated, and more interested in partying than in playing hockey.

Who else does that remind you of? Tyler Arnason had some good seasons on some bad teams as well...

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Pittsburgh thinks the Malone for Volchenkov its to little for them to get Volchenkov (I posted a thread). Maybe a second round pick to go with that. The only thing i dont like about that is, there is reason why they call him the "A-train." I mean maybe, Lyamin could eventually fill that role or someone, but it still worries me.
if we are using other posters opinion on whats good return for assets, then Darth Milbury (Highly respectable) thought Trent Hunter + would work for them. Its all for not though, since obviously our opinions mean very little. I know its all for fun, but whether we want a certain player and others agree mean very little.

My opinion on trading Volchenkov at this point is he would have to be packaged with vermette for a big upgrade for a forward. Volchenkov and Vermette are roughly equal value wise, so you might as well just keep both instead of dealing one to fill a supposed hole the other player cannot.

Filling the role of 6th defensemen is easier to fill then 2nd line winger, but that hardly justifies trading a player like Volchenkov. Most seem to want to give it a chance first before trading anything, and with the arrival of Kai, there is good reason for that. It is a risk at some level since both Vermette and Volchenkov can faulter in their new roles, a trade available today wont be tomorrow. On the flip side, both could exceed and cancel out the need for a trade. I would feel alot more comfortable if Kai had more insulation around him on his line, but i dont think we will see a trade anytime soon.

Its always fun to talk though

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08-29-2006, 05:07 AM
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The Senators are short on LW? Geez are some of you guys are still living in 2004? With McAmmond the Senators shored up the LW this season and in an emergency Fisher and Vermette can (have) play LW.

LW: Heatley, Schaefer, McGrattan, McAmmond, Vermette, Fisher. Heck isn't Hamel is a LW?

Let this team play for a while! I'm not willing trade Volchenkov for Malone or Hunter. When Muckler can get a guy like Holmstrom from the Wings, then I'm willing to give up something of value.

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great post! This is a very good idea!
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The Senators are short on LW? Geez are some of you guys are still living in 2004? With McAmmond the Senators shored up the LW this season and in an emergency Fisher and Vermette can (have) play LW.

LW: Heatley, Schaefer, McGrattan, McAmmond, Vermette, Fisher. Heck isn't Hamel is a LW?

Let this team play for a while! I'm not willing trade Volchenkov for Malone or Hunter. When Muckler can get a guy like Holmstrom from the Wings, then I'm willing to give up something of value.

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great post! This is a very good idea!
I second it. A guy like Holmstrom is exactly what this team needs.

Aside from trading there isn't much out there in the way of LWs. On the free agent market there are only role guys or rehab projects.

Just looking at the listings of free agents from TSN.ca, there are only 3 that might be worth a little risk if they were to sign for real cheap (emphasis on cheap):

Brad Isbister, LW, 29
Mike Leclerc, LW, 29
Tomas Surovy, LW, 23

But I think we should see what the current roster can do. I don't like the idea of trading Volchenkov. Although he may be farther down the depth chart than on a lot of teams, I cna live it for now, because who knows what happens if one of the top 4 goes dwon with injury. Maybe we can actually avoid some serious injury by spreading ice time around more and keeping everybody that much fresher.

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LW: Heatley, Schaefer, McGrattan, McAmmond, Vermette, Fisher. Heck isn't Hamel is a LW?
Is Heatly more comfortable on RW? I seem to remember him being a natural RWer and he has been forced to the LW because of the lack of depth. McGratton can hardly be considered a regular and Hamel is not a regular. Vermette and Fischer are centremen. That leaves Schaefer and McAmmond. By all means all these player can play LW, but wouldn't it be nice to have a natural LWer?

Holmstrom would be great, does anyone have the cap break down on a Volchenkov for Holmstrom? Does/would detroit want something else as well like Kelly? Do we think they need a Volchenkov?

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Just looking at the listings of free agents from TSN.ca, there are only 3 that might be worth a little risk if they were to sign for real cheap (emphasis on cheap):

Brad Isbister, LW, 29
Mike Leclerc, LW, 29
Tomas Surovy, LW, 23
I'd like to say I'd be willing to take a flyer on Isbister, but he has failed so many times in the past. Leclerc could be an interesting option, lots of potential and he could still be effective on a lower line or injury fill-in. Surovy is young, but he is no better than what we have.


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If Mike Fisher gets injured, and LeClerc is still available....


Wait a tick....


WHEN Mike Fisher gets injured, we should look at LeClerc.


Our roster is set right now, there's no use bringing in more guys who will crowd out guys like Hamel, Luttinen, Payer, etc.... We should show a bit of loyalty and give them a shot in training camp. It will be good for the bduget as well. If/when things don't work out, most of those guys will still be around, and we can look at our options. Waiting gives up more flexibility.

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Is Heatly more comfortable on RW? I seem to remember him being a natural RWer and he has been forced to the LW because of the lack of depth.
I don't think it really matters if he's on the right line. He, Spezza and Alfredsson were pretty good at switching positions in transition.

Also, Heatley was a natural LW before his first NHL stint with Atlanta, which includes his tenure at the University of Wisconsin.

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Holmstrom would be great, does anyone have the cap break down on a Volchenkov for Holmstrom? Does/would detroit want something else as well like Kelly? Do we think they need a Volchenkov?
I'm not a big fan of Holmstrom anymore. He's much more of a PP specialist than in the past. With our d-men, it would be nice having him in front of the net, but I'm not sure if he's very good at much else. Then again, he's a Cup veteran who will get his nose dirty. On the fence maybe.

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I'm not a big fan of Holmstrom anymore. He's much more of a PP specialist than in the past. With our d-men, it would be nice having him in front of the net, but I'm not sure if he's very good at much else. Then again, he's a Cup veteran who will get his nose dirty. On the fence maybe.
Holmstrom had 29 goals and 59 points last season. Of those 59 points he only had 11 goals and 13 assists on the PP. Thus leaving him to record 18 goals and 17 assists at even strength. He produced more goals at even strength, his 18 even strength goals would have placed him 3rd among Sens last season.

I dont know how you came to the conclusion that he is just a PP specailaist, because as the numbers show he is much more then that.

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I dont know how you came to the conclusion that he is just a PP specailaist, because as the numbers show he is much more then that.
I looked at the numbers as well, but I stand by my characterization.

He is not a particularly fast player and is a career grinder with last season being the aberration.

Before last season, he only reached 20 goals once, and has only reached 80 games twice. He was used primarily as a screener for goaltenders on the PP and chipped in a few in that manner.

Detroit had an offense-by-committee system last season, but I'm not sure how well he'd fit in here. He'd be competing with Fisher, Schaefer, Vermette and Kelly for icetime and he lacks their footspeed, while a guy like Neil or Eaves should be doing his job in front of the net anyway.

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