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08-30-2006, 10:13 AM
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Do you really see Pock and/or Richter outperforming Leetch this year?
Pock, yes. Richter, no.

The bottom line is, I expect more from Rachunek and even Rozsival than I think I would expect of Leetch at this point. It's a lot of unnecessary work at the risk of downgrading the defense IMO.

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08-30-2006, 10:15 AM
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I wouldnt sign Brian to a 2 million dollar salary. too much for a 7th dman however, I would give him 1million with the plan to rotate him in and out of the line up. With injuries, there probably be a spot open all the time.

In 03/04 Brian was a great influence on Fedor Tutin.
It doesn't make sense to bring Leetch in to be a 7th defensemen. If he comes here, he'd going to play everyday.

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Yeah, anybody who claims to be such a "fan" and then switches allegiances to one of our rivals all because of a trade that netted us Immonen-Kondratiev-Sauer-Korpikoski all for a 17 game stretch of not hvaing Leetch is a moron and knows nothing about this great game and how to build a team.
So far we have "netted" 3 guys who have yet to make it in the NHL. Granted it's early, but there is no guarantee that any of them ever will make it. Kondratiev is already out of the equation.

I'll take the shell version of Leetch over Roszival.

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08-30-2006, 10:21 AM
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However, the Rangers might decide to spend some of that cap room - making a Leetch return more difficult - by signing another forward to replace Jed Ortmeyer, who was diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism.
I dont get this... why do you have to sign someone to replace Orts if you have 3 or 4 solid forward prospects vying for a spot in the lineup?? I think Moore, Dawes, Dubinsky (hes one year away IMO) Helminen or even Jessiman (with size) if he gets his act together could replace Ortmeyer.

Is it for PK reasons?

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08-30-2006, 10:23 AM
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So far we have "netted" 3 guys who have yet to make it in the NHL. Granted it's early, but there is no guarantee that any of them ever will make it. Kondratiev is already out of the equation.

I'll take the shell version of Leetch over Roszival.
Oh please!!!

Are you really going to tell me that the Leetch deal wasn't an absolute steal on Slats behalf?

Sauer/Korpi are LOCKS to be NHLer's as is Immonen, to what degree we shall see but they will all have NHL careers and thus are major assets being that the 1st 2 are 20 yrs old!

Not to mention 'Drats being able to bring in a 2nd line scorer in Sykora last year when the team needed some additional firepower.

The deal was such a no-brainer that it;s ridiculous to try and downplay it.

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08-30-2006, 10:30 AM
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Let's be honest though, Larry. At a minimum, Leetch's defensive game is AT LEAST (and IMO it is better) as good/bad as Roszival's.
I don't know, from what I saw of Leetchs game, his D, especailly in his own end, is pretty bad now..And I feel the same way about Rachunek until he proves otherwise...I think Roszival is al ittle better defensively then both, even if that isn't saying much--and I know ROszival has weaknesses....And even if they are three peas in a pod in terms of defensive ability, it may give more reason why Leetch would be signed (to improve the offense/PP) and ALL THREE kept and let camp and play decides who gets the ice-time..

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To be perfectly honest with you i think any article with the words "Leetch" and "Rangers" attached to it causes fan reaction and conversations like this one, which is the exact reason why people buy newspapers.

A majority of all this is just something to fill the hockey columns pages before October. I dont think theres a tremendous amount of validity other than what you see on the surface: Leetch hasnt been signed yet.

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08-30-2006, 10:35 AM
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Give him lots of power play time, but make sure Renney keeps a limited roll on the ice at even strength, and I think we shall see #2 back in Blue. Of course this all seems like a pipe dream right now just because of the #s game. If it came down to signing Leetch to a $2,000,000 or saving cap space for a possible later addition at the trade deadline, I think I might have to say no to him coming back. I don't think there are that many teams that will be able to or want to pay him that $2 million.

Who am I kidding, I'd love to see this guy come back and finish it off on a high note!

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08-30-2006, 10:51 AM
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why am I not surprised this is a Dellapina article. The guy has a huge man-crush on Leetch, and it makes me take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Simply put, Leetch is not worth $2 mill to be a PP specialist on a PP that doesn't run from the point, and as shakey as many believe the current D is, Leetch does nothing to solidify it and quite possibly makes it more shakey.

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08-30-2006, 10:52 AM
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To be perfectly honest with you i think any article with the words "Leetch" and "Rangers" attached to it causes fan reaction and conversations like this one, which is the exact reason why people buy newspapers.

A majority of all this is just something to fill the hockey columns pages before October. I dont think theres a tremendous amount of validity other than what you see on the surface: Leetch hasnt been signed yet.

I think what gives this validity is that Dellapina actually has a direct quote from Jay Grossman saying that he's been in talsk with the NYR's.

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Oh please!!!

Are you really going to tell me that the Leetch deal wasn't an absolute steal on Slats behalf?

Sauer/Korpi are LOCKS to be NHLer's as is Immonen, to what degree we shall see but they will all have NHL careers and thus are major assets being that the 1st 2 are 20 yrs old!

Not to mention 'Drats being able to bring in a 2nd line scorer in Sykora last year when the team needed some additional firepower.

The deal was such a no-brainer that it;s ridiculous to try and downplay it.
Shake your head and distort what I said all you want but nothing could be more absurd than your maintaining that Sauer and Korpi are locks to be NHL'ers. Playing in a few games doesn't count. To be an "NHL'er" you must do more than take up a roster spot. I don't consider our Orr an NHL'er.

I assume these guys will make it based on all of the hype but I've seen enough hype filled kids end up zeros to know that what happens below NHL levels is far from a guarantee to translate into a meaningful NHL career.

If and when they make it your assessment will be right. Until then we don't have a clue.

Everyone knows that guys like Ovechkin and Crosby will make it before they get here but that's the exception. A good example of this stuff is the range of views on Jessiman's future being as varied as the colors of a rainbow.

It should be illegal to ever say Sather stole anything from anyone except from Rangers fans wallets.


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08-30-2006, 11:16 AM
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1 million 1 year and i am cool with it. Leetch and no Rosie and i am down with it. PP would be 25% with Leetch to Jagr to Shanny score I can see it now. one penny more and no deal

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It is an interesting scenario...

you trade Rozsival or Rachunek (salary-wise, it's pretty neutral), bring in Leetch and add another player in the prospect.

For $2MM, it's hardly a big price tag, especially for one year. I'm neutral. Unlike many, I don't think Leetch was as bad as many say last season. It depends on expectations. He was on a bad team and looked mostly lost in their system. For some reason the washed-up, old bum still managed to average more ice time than any other Ranger, and in less games than any Ranger defenseman, I think he was up there in points - again, on a team not dominated by Jagr and without Lundqvist in nets. In the right situation (out there mostly with Jagr, on the PP, and sparingly on the PK), as well as a complentary player on a good team, he could be an asset.

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08-30-2006, 11:23 AM
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Shake your head and distort what I said all you want but nothing could me more absurd than your maintaining that Sauer and Korpi are locks to be NHL'ers. Playing in a few games doesn't count. To be an "NHL'er" you must do more than take up a roster spot. I don't consider our Orr an NHL'er.

I assume these guys will make it based on all of the hype but I've seen enough hype filled kids end up zeros to know that what happens below NHL levels is far from a guarantee to translate into a meaningful NHL career.

If and when they make it your assessment will be right. Until then we don't have a clue.

Everyone knows that guys like Ovechkin and Crosby will make it before they get here but that's the exception. A good example of this stuff is the range of views on Jessiman's future being as varied as the colors of a rainbow.

It should be illegal to ever say Sather stole anything from anyone except from Rangers fans wallets.
OK, so Slats didn't get a great return for Leetch and shouldn't have made the deal.

Fair enough.

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08-30-2006, 11:53 AM
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This is exactly why Leetch shouldn't be brought back.Instead of focusing on the team,everyone will be talking about the merits of bringing Leetch back
<-- What he said.

Close the door on the 'old' Rangers.

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OK, so Slats didn't get a great return for Leetch and shouldn't have made the deal.

Fair enough.
A steal is getting something for nothing. Even now Leetch is far better than nothing while the players acquired are current nothings that might become somethings.

To believe that Leetch wouldn't mean an enormous upgrade to our current power play is ridiculous.

On a positive note, it looks like banging your head into the wall repeatedly is clearing your thought patterns.

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I love Leetch, but this is not the time nor the place. It's time to move forward.

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I like when people mention the fact that Leetch is too old, but don't seem to have a problem with the Brendan Shanahan signing, considering he's almost the same age.....

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I don't think I would do this but 3 or 4 seasons ago everyone was talking about Chelios coming off all kinds of injuries saying he was washed up too. So in that respect although I might think that Brian is all but done maybe that's wrong. Doing something like this as other posters would have it would mean moving Roszival or more probably Rachunek--as the Rangers staff like Roszival despite what a large segment of the fan base think or not. With a steady defensive partner like Ward it's possible Brian could resurrect his career. It would definitely be a gamble--at the same time there's no way that he's capable of the ice time he used to get.

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Where did John come up with $40.6 million?

Which forward are the Rangers going to sign to replace Jed Ortmeyer?Has John seen the free agent list?One of the kids from Hartford could fill that hole.Why bring in another player

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I think what gives this validity is that Dellapina actually has a direct quote from Jay Grossman saying that he's been in talsk with the NYR's.
I think Dellapina is on Grossman's payroll. Whenever the subject of Leetch returning to NYR is broached its always Dellapina who brings it up. Leetch is finished as far as NYR are concerned. The page has been turned and let's move forward. The NY Giants are going to start Barry Cofield a rookie out of Northwestern at nose tackle. Coughlin could have brought in a vet, yet he trusts his scouts and what he seen in training camp. And the Giants are legitimate SB contenders. Why can't Renney and Slats trust our draft picks and scouts, and let a Staal, Pock, Lampman, Baranka, Immonen, Dawes, etc etc vie for spots on team. I am tired of picking other teams scraps and not promoting our young from Hartford.

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God, the Leetch rumors again. I do not want him back. I respect him so much for the way he played with us in the past but he OLD. He looked horrible last season. Sather/Maloney please forget about leetch and continue doing a good job.


Even if he came for 450K i wouldnt want him back.

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Hmm a multiple choice question with Pock, Richter, Roszival and Leetch as my choices.


Somehow I'm not feeling too warm and fuzzy inside.

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Hmm a multiple choice question with Pock, Richter, Roszival and Leetch as my choices.


Somehow I'm not feeling too warm and fuzzy inside.
That pretty much sums it up best.

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A steal is getting something for nothing. Even now Leetch is far better than nothing while the players acquired are current nothings that might become somethings.

To believe that Leetch wouldn't mean an enormous upgrade to our current power play is ridiculous.

On a positive note, it looks like banging your head into the wall repeatedly is clearing your thought patterns.
Giving up Leetch for a 17 game period and getting those 4 assets in return IS GETTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING!!!!!

Since this point has gone above your head there is no point going on with it with you.


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