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11-16-2003, 02:57 PM
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refresh my memory please

Lindros was traded from Quebec to Phill and I know Forsberg, Hextall and Ricci were involved... Was Steve Duschane (sp) and who else?

Also I remeber Rangers had apparantly a trade for him as well but it was too late? and Philly got him... Who was involved in that Rangers deal? I cant remember and someone here must know...

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kerry huffman i believe. plus numerous picks and millions of dollars.. loads of stuff

the rangers had offered a package including weight and amonte i'm sure, and i *think* kovalev was in there.. not sure though

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Lindros was traded from Quebec to Phill and I know Forsberg, Hextall and Ricci were involved... Was Steve Duschane (sp) and who else?

Also I remeber Rangers had apparantly a trade for him as well but it was too late? and Philly got him... Who was involved in that Rangers deal? I cant remember and someone here must know...
thought Weight or Amonte ....maybe Richter..its ancient history now

i think Chris Simon and Jocelyn Thibault were the players picked with draft choices traded but i could be wrong and probably am

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11-16-2003, 03:00 PM
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Philadelphia Flyers traded Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994 and cash to the Quebec Nordiques for Eric Lindros.

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I know NYR offered Weight, Amonte and Kovalev. They are stars now, but keep in mind that they were still young, unproven players back then.

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I forgot how bad that was...when you look at what they gave up compared to what they got, it makes you wonder who got the short end of the deal.

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Wow did Philadelphia really throw away things they have really been looking for the past 3 years in that deal:

-A franchise player with pure scoring talent
-A legitimate #1 goaltender
-A premiere checking center

Although Bobby Clarke DID somewhat make up for that deal when he dealt Lindros for Kim Johnsson, and used Pavel Brendl to acquire Sami Kapanen....

But still, that Lindros deal was pretty brutal considering the outcome of Lindros' career and the the careers of Forsberg, Ricci and Thibault

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11-16-2003, 03:11 PM
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Lindros was the messiah back then.

Even w/o retrospect, Philly gave up the no.6 overall pick (Forsberg) and then some (a lot of some) to get the no.1 overall pick.

That's how highly rated Lindros was back then.

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Lindros was the messiah back then.

Even w/o retrospect, Philly gave up the no.6 overall pick (Forsberg) and then some (a lot of some) to get the no.1 overall pick.

That's how highly rated Lindros was back then.
Gotta watch those false messiahs, you know...they'll get you in the end.


I wonder if they ever wanted to renege on that deal?

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Lindros was the messiah back then.

Even w/o retrospect, Philly gave up the no.6 overall pick (Forsberg) and then some (a lot of some) to get the no.1 overall pick.

That's how highly rated Lindros was back then.
Who would've known Lindros would become so injury-prone, especially concussions? He was by far one of the most dominant players in the NHL for almost a decade until the concussions and problems with Bobby Clarke all boiled over at the same time. He is a shadow of his former self these days, but would still be the #1 center on probably half the teams in the league.

Bold statement of the day: If Pat LaFontaine can get into the Hall of Fame, Lindros should surely be given consideration.

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I'm sure they will consider him, but I don't think he'll be as automatic as LaFontaine was.

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Wow did Philadelphia really throw away things they have really been looking for the past 3 years in that deal:

-A franchise player with pure scoring talent
-A legitimate #1 goaltender
-A premiere checking center

Although Bobby Clarke DID somewhat make up for that deal when he dealt Lindros for Kim Johnsson, and used Pavel Brendl to acquire Sami Kapanen....

But still, that Lindros deal was pretty brutal considering the outcome of Lindros' career and the the careers of Forsberg, Ricci and Thibault
Yeah, they sure did throw things away, getting a dominate player that completely turned the franchise around. Lindros revamped hockey in Philadelphia and was, prior to his injuries, one of the league's franchise players.

And Clarke didn't make the deal to land him.

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I know NYR offered Weight, Amonte and Kovalev. They are stars now, but keep in mind that they were still young, unproven players back then.
Add Vanbesbrouck(Spelled this wrong) to that list.

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11-16-2003, 05:36 PM
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I never said Clarke made the deal to land Lindros, I said that he made the deal(s) to make up for all they gave up. Read the post carefully next time.

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I never said Clarke made the deal to land Lindros, I said that he made the deal(s) to make up for all they gave up. Read the post carefully next time.
Oh, I read it. Your post implies that he was covering up his own "mistake." You said: "Although Bobby Clarke DID somewhat make up for that deal when he dealt Lindros for Kim Johnsson, and used Pavel Brendl to acquire Sami Kapanen...." Sounds like implication to me. Regardless, I'm real sure that he was thinking "man, I really need to avenge the original Lindros deal" when he made those deals.

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sooooo... the proposed trade was Kovalev, Amonte, Weight and Vanbezzbrook for Lindros? If so, that a pretty crazy offer for someone who had never played a game in NHL....

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"The Rangers had offered Tony Amonte, Doug Weight,
Alexei Kovalev, James Patric, John Vanbiesbrouck, three No. 1
draft picks, and $12 million. "

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I'm sure they will consider him, but I don't think he'll be as automatic as LaFontaine was.
Why not?

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how good was he projeced to be? who was he compared too? i was only a little boy back in 1991-92..

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how good was he projeced to be? who was he compared too? i was only a little boy back in 1991-92..
Gretzky but with a mean streak.

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Which concussion do you think was the big blow? The only one that comes to mind is the Stevens hit, but was Lindros fading as far as production went before that?

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Before his injury problems Lindros was a force out there. He was as dominant as any player in the 90s.

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Lindros would have gone down as one of the great players of all time. A notch below the Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr trio because he wouldn't be called "magical", like those three would. However, no one combined skill and power the way Lindros did in his prime. The only knock against him was the fact that he hadn't won a Stanley Cup *yet* (an unfair knock made by those desperate to hate him because of the Quebec affair). Quebec/Colorado made a killing on the deal, and as they well should have. Right now it looks like an incredibly ridiculous deal, because Forsberg's at the top of his game, and Eric certainly isn't. They also got a number of other good players in the deal as well. However, Philly got what they wanted (a legitimate, dominant superstar), and had it not been for some managerial oversights (goaltending, defense), they would have had their Cup as well.

Only Lindros' greatest haters could argue that it isn't a shame that he's had the injuries. If not for them he'd be an absolute lock for the hall, and considering undoubtedly one of the greats of all time. Now unless he turns his career around, though I still believe he deserves to get in, its going to be a hell of a debate when his career ends.

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Quick stat here:

Until his trade to the New York Rangers, Eric Lindros had the third highest PPG ratio in the history of the sport.

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If Lindros remained healthy and playing at the rate he was.

id take him over Forsberg, Kovalev, Weight, Amonte, anybody involved in any deal or potential deal.

reguardless of how bad his career is\has been ending. I dont recall anybody who took over a sport like Lindros did. I remember, i think i was in 2nd or 3rd grade. And My elementry school was LITTERED with Lindros Posters. They used him as a poster boy for everything. I had like 4 posters, that i had gotten via those book fair thingies schools did.

he was perfect for hockey, and was key in making it popular in the states again.

hard to imagine how long ago that was. All we see is how much lindros has regressed. Nobody remembers he owned the NHL for a decade.

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