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09-01-2006, 02:11 PM
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Chris Kelly, a riddle wrapped in an enigma....or something.

Just to get some consensus on him.

Where do you see him in two years?
Can he score 50-60 points in the NHL?*
Would he be better served by switching poistion?
Has he peaked?
Management has a lot of faith in him...do you share it?












*while playing "around" 3rd line minutes

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09-01-2006, 02:30 PM
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I see Kelly being a career 3rd/ 4th line player. He was captain in Binghamton for a few seasons and has graduated to the NHL where he stepped up his game(unlike Hamel, who was given just as much chance) and became one of Ottawas top defensive forwards (Vermette Kelly on PK is great to watch). The managment probly sees him as a second Mike Fisher, Once Fisher proves that he could be a second line player then I think Kelly will take over for him on the third line or he could even be put there this year as a winger/center, with Fisher as winger, if Vermette doesnt show he can play line 1 or 2 duties and they drop him the fourth line center.

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09-01-2006, 02:38 PM
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I don't think Chris Kelly has enough offensive skill to score 50 or 60 points, he's a good gritty player though. He's like a mini Mike Fisher, having the same grit and defensive awareness as Fisher, but less size and offensive skill.

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09-01-2006, 02:39 PM
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In all honesty...

Where do you see him in two years? Same role, 3rd or 4th line
Can he score 50-60 points in the NHL? As a 3rd or 4th liner, doubtful, but if his role changed - yes.
Would he be better served by switching poistion? I think it is useful to have, but I don't think it would increase is productivity if that's the question
Has he peaked? No
Management has a lot of faith in him...do you share it? Faith is one way of looking at it, I'd personally say I know I can depend on him - he's reliable and you know what you're getting. That's a better way of looking at it.

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and he's cheap! ( or good value)

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I see him staying where he is now. He is an ideal 4th line centre, IMO. He's not someone who we are grooming for a bigger role, but, can fill in on the third line in a pinch if needed.

Maybe he'll develop some more offensive skills, but, I wouldn't count on it. He seems to have his role on the team established. It's pretty much a what you see, is what you get scenario with him. No mystery at all.

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I like a lot of things about Kelly. He's quick, hard working, solid defensively and willing to pay the price. He also seems to be a nice guy, a good teammate and a very coachable player. His tragic flaw is that he has hands of stone. How many gifts did he miss when he was playing with Spezza and Heatley. He's also a bit small for the game he plays, and I worry he may run into injury problems. I think he's a career NHLer, probably on the fourth line, but I don't ever expect him to score much more than 50 points in any single season. He may have to play the wing if he ever wants to see 3rd line duty on this team. If we are ever stupid enough to let Fisher go, however, he may be able to help fill that void.

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09-01-2006, 05:43 PM
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I heard Shaun Van Allen say on a Sens post game show that Kelly was arguably the Sen's best defensive forward. Doesn't seem to have much offensive skill, but if he has half the career Van Allen did as a defensive stopper/4th liner he will have done well.

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Well the rumour was that Kelly was being offered up with Volchnekov for Axelson, if that was true. I don't see Kelly scoring more than 40 points in any future season especailly with 4th line duty and minutes. He has the skill to fill in from time to time on the 3rd but being a defensive specialist is what he is best at. I think that Muckler though is trying to package him with A-Train to get something, if not now than at the deadline to try and keep Vermette. Those two might be able to get us somebody like Tkachuk who could play 1st line minutes and the salaries should be close to even. Tkachuk does have all tangibles this team needs, size, grit and scoring and an affordable price.

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Kelly is good defensively, but horrible offensively. He should be on the fourth line and I do not think that he will ever reach 40 career points unless he is hand wrapped them.

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Next questions:


How then would he compare to Bonk while he played with Hossa?
What limits his output (what is his most galring weakness)?
Should his role be minimized or expanded?
What are his ideal linemates?
Who would you campare him to as a player? at a minimum and at a maximum.

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You can't compare Kelly to Bonk, Bonk was a former #1 draft choice for this team. He had several 50 point seasons unfortunately we wanted him to be a 1st line centre when all he was at best was a 2nd line centre and most recentlt a shut down 3rd line centre with inconsistent offensive potential.

Kelly's weakness is that he doesn't have a lot of offensive skill but he has enough skill and speed to be very good defensively and this is the area the Sens want him to excel in from the 4th line. Plus move up a line if need be and he can do that temporarily.

His role should remain the same as it has been, 4th line minutes with time on the PK.

He has had success in the past with Vermette and Hamel which is why I think Paddock will influence Murray into trying these three together again.

He is a young Shaun Van Allan, this could be his last season with the Sens especially if Hennesey and Luttinen do well in Bingo this year. IMO I think he will be packaged with A-Train either before the start of the season or at the trade deadline for a LW power forward (Tkachuk).

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Just to get some consensus on him.

Where do you see him in two years?
Can he score 50-60 points in the NHL?*
Would he be better served by switching poistion?
Has he peaked?
Management has a lot of faith in him...do you share it?




*while playing "around" 3rd line minutes
Kelly isn't that good. Against Buffalo he was constantly squandering great scoring setups because he has hands of stone.

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Kelly is a great fourth line forward and PK guy. He won't grow to more than a 3rd line role and will get 20-35 points and be a strong defensive player and a relentless worker and a true leader on the team. What more could you want?

He has a role and plays it extremely well. You need players like that and I hope Kelly sticks around here for a long time.

He is the farthest thing from a riddle or an enigma. He is what he appears to be a gritty, grinding lower line forward. Who expects him to become an offensive star? Not the management or his teammates or probably Kelly himself.

One of the best things about Kelly that shows his mettle was his 2 fights last season. He isn't a fighter but he dropped the gloves and went for the team. In the one where he got kicked out of the game he was completely backing up his teamates after someone (Vermette?) was ruthlessly run into the boards.

He is the kind of guy that is all about the team. He is happy to play any role he is asked to play and works hard every single shift.

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Kelly is a great fourth line forward and PK guy. He won't grow to more than a 3rd line role and will get 20-35 points and be a strong defensive player and a relentless worker and a true leader on the team. What more could you want?

He has a role and plays it extremely well. You need players like that and I hope Kelly sticks around here for a long time.

He is the farthest thing from a riddle or an enigma. He is what he appears to be a gritty, grinding lower line forward. Who expects him to become an offensive star? Not the management or his teammates or probably Kelly himself.

One of the best things about Kelly that shows his mettle was his 2 fights last season. He isn't a fighter but he dropped the gloves and went for the team. In the one where he got kicked out of the game he was completely backing up his teamates after someone (Vermette?) was ruthlessly run into the boards.

He is the kind of guy that is all about the team. He is happy to play any role he is asked to play and works hard every single shift.
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The one thing that pissed me off, was that I recall him making a misatke last year against the Sabs that costed us a goal. It wasn't a huge mistake realtive to many of the other ones, but I would still expect better from the great defensive fourth liner that is Chris Kelly.

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The one thing that pissed me off, was that I recall him making a misatke last year against the Sabs that costed us a goal. It wasn't a huge mistake realtive to many of the other ones, but I would still expect better from the great defensive fourth liner that is Chris Kelly.
i think Kelly looked so much like a vet last year, that when he made those mistakes (and there was a handful) you always wondered why. Well, i think the maturity will develop and the mistakes will fade away. He will never leave people in awe, but is perfect for his role. Trading him makes little sense to me, but to each their own.

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Kelly is a great fourth line forward and PK guy. He won't grow to more than a 3rd line role and will get 20-35 points and be a strong defensive player and a relentless worker and a true leader on the team. What more could you want?

He has a role and plays it extremely well. You need players like that and I hope Kelly sticks around here for a long time.

He is the farthest thing from a riddle or an enigma. He is what he appears to be a gritty, grinding lower line forward. Who expects him to become an offensive star? Not the management or his teammates or probably Kelly himself.

One of the best things about Kelly that shows his mettle was his 2 fights last season. He isn't a fighter but he dropped the gloves and went for the team. In the one where he got kicked out of the game he was completely backing up his teamates after someone (Vermette?) was ruthlessly run into the boards.

He is the kind of guy that is all about the team. He is happy to play any role he is asked to play and works hard every single shift.
The enigma/riddle thing was mostly just to draw attention....

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i think Kelly looked so much like a vet last year, that when he made those mistakes (and there was a handful) you always wondered why. Well, i think the maturity will develop and the mistakes will fade away. He will never leave people in awe, but is perfect for his role. Trading him makes little sense to me, but to each their own.
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Kelly is exactly as advertised and as described here in every post. The riddle is how he was sometimes used last year by the coaches. Though he is a great 4th line player and PK specialist, he played on the top lines too often, especially in the playoffs, to the detriment of the team and to Kelly himself.

I dont know that he will ever be another Fisher. Though he's a rookie,he is about the same age as Fisher,and a couple of years older than other players who have been around for awhile,such as Anton Volchenkov and Antoinne Vermette.

I don't think that his game will change very much,but what he brings to the team
is worthwhile as long as the coaches don't push him into a role for which he is not suited.

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Kelly is a solid NHL 4th line centreman...good penalty killer, good skater, intelligent defensive player...not a good offensive player, I don't know if he'll ever exceed his production from last season.

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Thats why fisher was nominated for the selke trophy.

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I think Kelly has the potential to be a very solid 3rd line centre like Mike Sillinger. He's a heart and soul guy so he'll always be a more valuable contributer then his stats or skills will suggest. Coaches love him, he's versatile, fast and a very good penalty killer so that alone should result in him getting more than 4th line minutes at some point in his development. I keep having the feeling that Murray would love to find a way to get him off the 4th line but the roster being what it is this year, there's no room for him at this point... yet.

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I see Kelly being a career 3rd/ 4th line player. He was captain in Binghamton for a few seasons and has graduated to the NHL where he stepped up his game(unlike Hamel, who was given just as much chance) and became one of Ottawas top defensive forwards (Vermette Kelly on PK is great to watch). The managment probly sees him as a second Mike Fisher, Once Fisher proves that he could be a second line player then I think Kelly will take over for him on the third line or he could even be put there this year as a winger/center, with Fisher as winger, if Vermette doesnt show he can play line 1 or 2 duties and they drop him the fourth line center.
Dont give me that, Hamel has 3 times more talent in his pinky finger that Kelly will ever have. He was the only reason people came to see that pathetic team we had in Bingo last year

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Dont give me that, Hamel has 3 times more talent in his pinky finger that Kelly will ever have. He was the only reason people came to see that pathetic team we had in Bingo last year
It's hard to argue the point that Hamel has squandered his opportunities to impress at the NHL level. He has an extremely impressive AHL career, but, has never shown the ability to transfer his scoring prowess to the big leagues. At the age of 29, the hope of him securing an NHL roster spot at this point is pretty much long gone.

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