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Team 80's vs Team 70's

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Team 70's 22 51.16%
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09-01-2006, 02:32 PM
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Team 80's vs Team 70's

Who would win this titanic battle. Players who played in both decades can be included on both teams but only consider their accomplishments during that decade to consider the quality of the team:

Team 70's

Lafleur Esposito Hull
Bossy Dionne Shutt
Cournoyer Trottier Barber
Cashman Clarke Gainey - Elite Checking Line

Potvin Orr
Robinson Park
Savard Lapointe

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Dryden

Team 80's

Bossy Gretzky Goulet
Kurri Lemieux Robitaille
Anderson Messier Tonelli
Middleton Carbonneau Gainey - Elite Checking Line

Bourque Coffey
Potvin Langway
Howe Chelios

Smith
Fuhr

If I missed anybody obvious, which I most likely did , just tell me and I'll make the change.


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09-01-2006, 02:56 PM
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No trying to nit-pick but here are some others to consider....there are so many it's hard to include them all....

80's team
Ron Francis
Mario Lemieux
Dale Hawerchuk - perrenial 100+ point guy
Denis Savard
Mike Gartner - Big time goalscorer
Al MacInnis

70's team
Gilbert Perreault
Jean Ratelle
Darryl Sittler


Either way, a great list!

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No lemieux on 80's team?!

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Wasnt Goulet a LW? Wouldnt Stastny get onto the 80's team?

Its hard to pick 20 players though.

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No lemieux on 80's team?!
Major league brain fart

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Wasnt Goulet a LW? Wouldnt Stastny get onto the 80's team?

Its hard to pick 20 players though.
I have Goulet as my first string LW.

As for Stastny, which center would you take out amongst the centers on the first three lines? Yes he was a better player than Carbo, but I wanted to include guys who were excellent defensive forwards on my forth lines.

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Mario Lemieux and Gretzky on one team?

That's pretty much unstoppable... good God, imagine the power play...

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Stasny, not Messier, as the 3rd Center of the 80'ies team, please...This guy was second to only Gretzky in points for the decade.

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Team 80s....and I am Habs fan because of the 70s Habs.

Although, goaltending is a decided edge for the 70s.

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80's
Patrick Roy
Rick Vaive
Steve Yzerman
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Patrick Roy
That would even out the goalie advantage...

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80's
Patrick Roy
Rick Vaive
Steve Yzerman
Scott Stevens
Guys like Yzerman, Francis, Stastny ect just got caught up in a numbers game. They were great, but IMO did not accomplish more than top three guys I picked at center, and IMO weren't in Carbo's league as a checker. Carbo is the best defensive center I have ever seen play, so I felt he had to be included as the checking line center, but an argument could be made for Trottier, who was a great checker as well.

As for Roy, until 1989, Fuhr was the better goalie. Roy took over the mantle of the best that year. In addition, I just can't look past the dominance Smith showed in the Isles 4 cups.

Stevens and Macinnis were great and just missed the cut. The other guys had more all stars and/or Norris trophies, but solid arguments could be made for Stevens and Macinnis.

Vaive was never considered. I would have taken Kerr, Tocchet and Gartner ahead of him.

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Stasny, not Messier, as the 3rd Center of the 80'ies team, please...This guy was second to only Gretzky in points for the decade.
Mess was a better player, plus he won a Conn and was the lockerroom leader on a 4 time cup winner. It's not all about the points. Do you honestly think Sather would have taken Stastny over Messier if given the choice?

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Mess was a better player, plus he won a Conn and was the lockerroom leader on a 4 time cup winner. It's not all about the points. Do you honestly think Sather would have taken Stastny over Messier if given the choice?
Stastny over Gretzky is a better choice. Carbo could always neutralize Gretz, but not Stastny or Mario.

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Stastny over Gretzky is a better choice. Carbo could always neutralize Gretz, but not Stastny or Mario.

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team 90's would take it:

Neely - Lemieux - Jagr
Lindros - Gretzky - Hull
Sakic - Messier - Bure
Yzerman - Gilmour - Fedorov (super-elite checking line)

Bourque - Chelios
MacInnis - Lidstrom
Leetch - Stevens

Hasek
Roy

It's really amazing how many guys had uber-dominant years in the 1990's. It could be my 90's bias because of my age, but I think this team would take the other two fairly convincingly when you take goaltending and defence into account. However, the shallowness at left wing is pretty evident when I don't even have one natural left winger making the team.

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team 90's would take it:

Neely - Lemieux - Jagr
Lindros - Gretzky - Hull
Sakic - Messier - Bure
Yzerman - Gilmour - Fedorov (super-elite checking line)

Bourque - Chelios
MacInnis - Lidstrom
Leetch - Stevens

Hasek
Roy

It's really amazing how many guys had uber-dominant years in the 1990's. It could be my 90's bias because of my age, but I think this team would take the other two fairly convincingly when you take goaltending and defence into account. However, the shallowness at left wing is pretty evident when I don't even have one natural left winger making the team.
This team is pretty stacked at center...I think I'd take Forsberg over Gilmour though...still 8 of the 12 forwards are centers?


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You can't put centres and right wingers on the left side and expect them to perform the same.

The 1998 Olympics proved that a team full of individual star centres gets their butts kicked big time when faced with merely very good TEAMS.

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the shallowness at left wing is pretty evident when I don't even have one natural left winger making the team.
Andreychuk had over 300 goals and 500 assists in the nineties alone, good enough for fourth line duty don't you think?

Someone should make an '00s team, with Elias and Ovechkin on the left side.

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You can't put centres and right wingers on the left side and expect them to perform the same.

The 1998 Olympics proved that a team full of individual star centres gets their butts kicked big time when faced with merely very good TEAMS.


Andreychuk had over 300 goals and 500 assists in the nineties alone, good enough for fourth line duty don't you think?

Someone should make an '00s team, with Elias and Ovechkin on the left side.
Don't forget Kovalchuk and Naslund...LW is the new C.

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You can't put centres and right wingers on the left side and expect them to perform the same.

The 1998 Olympics proved that a team full of individual star centres gets their butts kicked big time when faced with merely very good TEAMS.


Andreychuk had over 300 goals and 500 assists in the nineties alone, good enough for fourth line duty don't you think?

Someone should make an '00s team, with Elias and Ovechkin on the left side.
Kariya, Robitaille, and Kevin Stevens would have been the top 3 left wingers in my mind, but none of them quite made the cut...Andreychuk or Leclair would probably be the 4th I guess.

If you keep everyone at their natural position, it means only 2 of these following guys will make the squad after Lemieux and Gretzky: Sakic, Yzerman, Fedorov, Forsberg, Lindros, Messier etc. These are all defining players of the 90's, and well above guys like Robitaille and Andreychuk in my books.

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This team is pretty stacked at center...I think I'd take Forsberg over Gilmour though...still 8 of the 12 forwards are centers?
IMO Gilmour was slightly better than Forsberg in the 90's. To me Forsberg really cemented his legend around the turn of the century. I'd take Gilmour's 1993 season over any seans Forsberg put up in the 90's. His 2003 season however is a different story.

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Mess was a better player, plus he won a Conn and was the lockerroom leader on a 4 time cup winner. It's not all about the points. Do you honestly think Sather would have taken Stastny over Messier if given the choice?
Well, euh, no, because he HAD Gretzky, he didn't really needed Stasny, but it's actually a BEST OFF team '80, not "make an ideal team with the best .80 players". Anyways, an 80 team not including Stasny is grossly underrating Stasny. I agree that Messier would be AT LEAST very useful on any team, so I'd toss Tonelli... I would also toss Robitaille, who really played only a half of the 80, and put Trottier instead.

And if you look at the 80ies Nordiques and the 80ies Oilers, it wasn't exactly the same team and the same "supporting cast"...

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team 90's would take it:

Neely - Lemieux - Jagr
Lindros - Gretzky - Hull
Sakic - Messier - Bure
Yzerman - Gilmour - Fedorov (super-elite checking line)

Bourque - Chelios
MacInnis - Lidstrom
Leetch - Stevens

Hasek
Roy

It's really amazing how many guys had uber-dominant years in the 1990's. It could be my 90's bias because of my age, but I think this team would take the other two fairly convincingly when you take goaltending and defence into account. However, the shallowness at left wing is pretty evident when I don't even have one natural left winger making the team.
I could have put centers on the wing in my 70's and 80's teams and they would have been superior to the team you created. I also made sure the RW's were actually RW's and LW's were actually LW's. Do that with your 90's team and then get back to me.

Just add Sittler, Perreault, Lemaire ect to the 70's team and Yzerman, Hawerchuk, Trottier, Stastny ect to the 80's team and your 90's team doesn't stack up.

Using my methodoligoy here's a 90's forward lineup made up of Natural Wingers:



Jagr Lemieux Leclair

Hull Gretzky Andreychuk

Bure Sakic Stevens

Keane Fedorov Lehtinen


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Well, euh, no, because he HAD Gretzky, he didn't really needed Stasny, but it's actually a BEST OFF team '80, not "make an ideal team with the best .80 players". Anyways, an 80 team not including Stasny is grossly underrating Stasny. I agree that Messier would be AT LEAST very useful on any team, so I'd toss Tonelli... I would also toss Robitaille, who really played only a half of the 80, and put Trottier instead.



And if you look at the 80ies Nordiques and the 80ies Oilers, it wasn't exactly the same team and the same "supporting cast"...


I wanted to make sure my teams were made up of 4 LW's, 4 RW's and 4 centers. If it had instead been the most talented 12 forwards, there would be some differences.


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80's team is better IMO .

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Using my methodoligoy here's a 90's forward lineup made up of Natural Wingers:



Jagr Lemieux Leclair

Hull Gretzky Andreychuk

Bure Sakic Stevens

Keane Fedorov Lehtinen



I wanted to make sure my teams were made up of 4 LW's, 4 RW's and 4 centers. If it had instead been the most talented 12 forwards, there would be some differences.
man, you put some pretty questionable players on that 90's team. Andreychuk over Shanahan, Kariya, Robitaille, Stevens...etc? Mike Keane? It looks bad because you made it bad.

Stevens - M. Lemieux - Jagr
Kariya - Gretzky - Hull
Shanahan - Messier - Bure
Tikkanen - Fedorov - C. Lemieux (lol, just imagine Claude and Esa on the same line)

Bourque - Chelios
MacInnis - Lidstrom
Leetch - Stevens

Hasek
Roy


I think this team stacks up quite well against the 70's team, and is better than the 80's team by virtue of goaltending and defence. With the influx of European talent, I think the 1990's was one of the most talented decades ever. And the goaltending is certainly the best IMO.


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