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11-16-2003, 01:40 PM
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Kiprusoff to the Flames for a second.

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=28622

Really puts the Chechmanek trade into perspective. Good job Bobby.

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Only for a second. He's not staying with them longer.

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Really puts the Chechmanek trade into perspective. Good job Bobby.

A few differences.

#1. Cechmanek makes $3.5 million per year. In case you haven't noticed, that is a MAJOR factor.

#2. The draft pick is in 2005, and a conditional pick, it could also be a 3rd. A 3rd in 2005 is equal to a 4th in 2004 (as a general rule for each furth year you get away the value goes down .. i.e a 3rd in 2005 has the same value as a 4th in 2004 in a trade)


... By the way how is your GM been performing of late ??? ...

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A few differences.

#1. Cechmanek makes $3.5 million per year. In case you haven't noticed, that is a MAJOR factor.

#2. The draft pick is in 2005, and a conditional pick, it could also be a 3rd. A 3rd in 2005 is equal to a 4th in 2004 (as a general rule for each furth year you get away the value goes down .. i.e a 3rd in 2005 has the same value as a 4th in 2004 in a trade)


... By the way how is your GM been performing of late ??? ...
Well, 3.5 is not exactly breaking the bank, specially for a goaltender that's arguably top 10 in the league. My point is a back up goaltender that's proven nothing has just been traded for essentially the same value as a number one goaltender that has proven to be exceptional.

As for my GM, according to some <i>loyal Ranger fans</i>, Sather has rebuilt this team into a powerhouse with one of the best farms in the league so what's your point?

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Well, 3.5 is not exactly breaking the bank, specially for a goaltender that's arguably top 10 in the league. My point is a back up goaltender that's proven nothing has just been traded for essentially the same value as a number one goaltender that has proven to be exceptional.

$3.5 million is more of a factor than you think, epsecially since noe of the big money teams were looking for a goalie, and yes he has been great the past 3 regular seasons, but he also just came off a poor postseason.

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$3.5 million is more of a factor than you think, epsecially since noe of the big money teams were looking for a goalie, and yes he has been great the past 3 regular seasons, but he also just came off a poor postseason.
To a team in need of a goaltender you first have to make the playoffs to even think about the post season.

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To a team in need of a goaltender you first have to make the playoffs to even think about the post season.
Most teams that don't make the playoffs don't spend money, therefore not in the market for a $3.5 million goalie.

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Most teams that don't make the playoffs don't spend money, therefore not in the market for a $3.5 million goalie.
If the money was that much of a factor, I'm sure LA would've needed to send some salary the other way. I'm willing to bet had Clarke held out a bit, LA would've given up some value in the deal.

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Eh. I'd be more inclined to credit Wilson than bash Clarke. Goalies just don't have much value, and Wilson was dealing from a position of strength since Calgary felt it had to replace its injured goalie NOW.

Clarke was in the reverse position. It was clear to everybody that Cechmanek wanted out and the Flyers wanted him gone. That makes it impossible to maximize value.

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Eh. I'd be more inclined to credit Wilson than bash Clarke. Goalies just don't have much value, and Wilson was dealing from a position of strength since Calgary felt it had to replace its injured goalie NOW.
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=22463


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You need to offer something more focused. Referring me to a thread with over 100 posts isn't helpful.

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You need to offer something more focused. Referring me to a thread with over 100 posts isn't helpful.
I thought it was pretty obvious with Kloucek and Zidlicky post trade being the focus of discussion (in the title).

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Say what you want about Philadelphia being a good team, but Cechmanek's career GAA is under 2.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=51275

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I thought it was pretty obvious with Kloucek and Zidlicky post trade being the focus of discussion (in the title).
Clearly but I don't see the connection you're trying to make between the two deals.

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I wasn't making a connection, you said "Goalies just don't have much value".. so I went off topic showing Sather's incompetence and how some fans feel the deal for Dunham was worth the return Nashville got.

Sorry about that.

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Say what you want about Philadelphia being a good team, but Cechmanek's career GAA is under 2.
Yes, he's been a very good goalie in the regular season.

Playing behind the Flyers defense certainly helps though.

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I wasn't making a connection, you said "Goalies just don't have much value".. so I went off topic showing Sather's incompetence
Like I don't have ENOUGH to grind my teeth over!

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Yes, he's been a very good goalie in the regular season.
http://joyofhockey.com/LA1RomanCechmanek.html

Year Team GP GAA W L SO Save%
2002-03 Flyers 13 2.15 6 7 2 .909
2001-02 Flyers 4 1.86 1 3 1 .936
2000-01 Flyers 6 3.12 2 4 0 .891


Other than '01, he's been pretty good in the playoffs, as far as I'm concerned...

NOTE: I'm not a fan of Cechmanek at all... in fact, I think he's just above average in terms of NHL starting goaltenders, but his numbers sure put up a good fight in a debate.

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http://joyofhockey.com/LA1RomanCechmanek.html

Year Team GP GAA W L SO Save%
2002-03 Flyers 13 2.15 6 7 2 .909
2001-02 Flyers 4 1.86 1 3 1 .936
2000-01 Flyers 6 3.12 2 4 0 .891


Other than '01, he's been pretty good in the playoffs, as far as I'm concerned...

NOTE: I'm not a fan of Cechmanek at all... in fact, I think he's just above average in terms of NHL starting goaltenders, but his numbers sure put up a good fight in a debate.
Numbers don't show you everything.

He was actually pretty good in the playoffs in '01. The numbers look so bad because of the 8-0 final game, which was more the fault of the team in front of him than Cechmanek playing poorly.

Last year even though the numbers look good, he allowed far too many very weak goals, that really cost the Flyers.

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