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11-16-2003, 01:27 PM
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Chris Gratton

According to Garrioch, the 'yotes may be looking to dump Gratton. Seeing as we missed out on Wiemer I think that Gratton could be also be a perfect fit for the sens. A possible deal of Shastlivy + White for Gratton + might make sense for both teams. Thoughts anyone?

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According to Garrioch, the 'yotes may be looking to dump Gratton. Seeing as we missed out on Wiemer I think that Gratton could be also be a perfect fit for the sens. A possible deal of Shastlivy + White for Gratton + might make sense for both teams. Thoughts anyone?
I doubt we'd have to give up much to get Gratton. We certainly wouldn't need to give up White on top of Schastlivy for Gratton.

He makes 2.2 million, so he's not cheap. That being said, he is great on faceoffs, and there may be a Buffalo connection there with Muckler too. It's a solid idea, but giving up a 60 point forward for essentially a salary dump type of player, is not of interest.

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Gratton needs icetime to perform, otherwise he sucks. He won't get icetime here.

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According to Garrioch, the 'yotes may be looking to dump Gratton. Seeing as we missed out on Wiemer I think that Gratton could be also be a perfect fit for the sens. A possible deal of Shastlivy + White for Gratton + might make sense for both teams. Thoughts anyone?
Don't we have enough centers?

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Don't we have enough centers?
He can play the wing as well. Besides - we desperatley need someone who can win faceoffs. Sort of like a better version of Mike Sillinger.

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there may be a Buffalo connection there with Muckler too. It's a solid idea, but giving up a 60 point forward for essentially a salary dump type of player, is not of interest.

He played in Buffalo after Mucks was already gone... hes not worth giving up a 60 point scorer..

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He played in Buffalo after Mucks was already gone... hes not worth giving up a 60 point scorer..
I wasn't neccesarly saying we'd have to give up white, rather I was just throwing a possible idea out there, in which we'd get something else in return. I would think that a Shastlivy for Gratton deal would probably make sense.

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11-16-2003, 03:36 PM
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If we could afford to take on the salary, trading him for Shastlivy would be a good idea (he could not be any worse). I'm positive he could play LW for us and when we needed a faceoff win he is there. It really would not be that bad of an idea, we'd finally have a big SOB on the wing who could hang out infront of the net. But it would have to be for just shastlivy because that price tag knocks his value down.

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I'm positive he could play LW for us and when we needed a faceoff win he is there.
Didn't he played RW in Philly?

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Didn't he played RW in Philly?
I think so, but my personal opinion is that if an NHLer can play RW he can play LW also, for the money they make they should be able to play all 5 positions, LOL.

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TSN lists him as a center/lw

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I wouldn't mind Gratton in Ottawa.

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I think so, but my personal opinion is that if an NHLer can play RW he can play LW also, for the money they make they should be able to play all 5 positions, LOL.
For my money, if you can play center, you can easily play lw.. right wing is the least stressful position in terms of 'positional' hockey assuming you're playing with any defensive scheme. Really depends on where the guy feels comfortable -- I like the 'off wing' but that's just me...

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Gratton is a worthless peice of ****. You don't want him.

 
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Gratton is a worthless peice of ****. You don't want him.
You like him that much eh?

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Gratton is a worthless peice of ****. You don't want him.
Agreed, he's been done forever. Trading Schastlivy for him, just when Schast is starting to get his game together, would be the sheerest folly.

Sorry Volch.

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11-17-2003, 06:30 AM
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Agreed, he's been done forever. Trading Schastlivy for him, just when Schast is starting to get his game together, would be the sheerest folly.

Sorry Volch.

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Maybe he has been done forever, but go to the Coyotes board, they seem to disagree. From what I gather they are quite happy with him. As far as Shastlivy, are we watching the same guy? He is starting to get his game together?? Can't say I agree with that.

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11-17-2003, 06:37 AM
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Gratton is the kind of player the Sens could use down the stretch and into the post season. Putting him on third or 4th line with Fish and Neil would create a line of hellions. He's also skilled enough to fill in up front if need be.

The salary is an issue, as is who the Yotes would want in return, but I think it's fair to say ottawa would send a forward back.

And if Todd White is a "60 point forward", then so is Gratton (Gratton has done it twice). Put Gratton with Alfredsson and Smoke (or whomever) for a season, and he'll be in that point neighbourhood.

Given Todd White is on track to go pointless this season, I'm not so sure this is a case of the Yotes dumping one of their dogs on us.

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I wouldn't be opposed to getting Gratton, he brings a good physical presence, good face-off man (and the sens need one, they went only 30% vs Montreal on saturday), Can play on a scoring line and produce if neede, while also being able to do a good job playing on a checking line. The only think I'd be worried about is how comfortable he is playing the wing. With the glut of centers we have there is no point in getting him if he can't play the wing.

Right now, White is still hurt and it would be hard to trade him for anybody right now. Schastlivy could be a possibility, as the Yotes may be interested because of his potential (god knows he's not playing well right now), though I would have the fear of a Demitra situation hapening again.

just my $0.02.

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IMO I'd rather have Gratton Over White, as he gives us everything White does plus faceoffs and size. Alfredsson seems adpet at rejuvanting people's careers, so maybe he can work wonders with a Gratton-Spezza line.

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11-17-2003, 08:14 AM
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And if Todd White is a "60 point forward", then so is Gratton (Gratton has done it twice). Put Gratton with Alfredsson and Smoke (or whomever) for a season, and he'll be in that point neighbourhood.
Bingo, we have a winner. People never take into consideration that alot of white's success is due to playing with the Alf. I personally would say that Gratton is a better player than white, no doubt. But White is Cheap which would appeal to the Yotes.

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Bingo, we have a winner. People never take into consideration that alot of white's success is due to playing with the Alf. I personally would say that Gratton is a better player than white, no doubt. But White is Cheap which would appeal to the Yotes.
Really, I think it's the opposite. I think most people just consider White to be feeding off of Alfredsson.

However, what many people often forget is how effective White is with Alfredsson. Alfie's played with quite a number of centre's in his career, many who are, on their own, are more talented than Todd White. The list includes: Yashin, Bonk, Prospal, Zholtok, Spezza, Fisher, etc.

Alfie seems to play his best when he's got White on his line. I think Alfredsson has a lot of confidence in Todd White, and it makes him more willing to take risks with his play.

If you take White off this team in favour of a guy like Gratton, who bring more to the team on paper, you risk messing up a chemistry that has been effective for the past 2 seasons.

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Gratton is the kind of player the Sens could use down the stretch and into the post season.
I'm sure this statement, and others like it, is based on Gratton's unparallelled history of clutch play and success in stretch and postseason runs. Let's let White heal from his obviously impairing shoulder injury before we start casting him off.

And no, Sensfan, I guess we aren't watching the same Schastlivy. I'm looking at a player who's shooting at the net more, taking and giving passes with greater confidence, and using his size and strength along the boards to generate scoring opportunities. He had a very solid game in Satuday's loss, and his hard work has been rewarded by increased ice time.

He's not likely to score the 20 goals everyone expected, but I always thought that was a bit of a blue sky prediction.

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He's not likely to score the 20 goals everyone expected, but I always thought that was a bit of a blue sky prediction.
Given his style of play is that of an offensive sniper, unfortunately, he needs to be able to put up 20 goals to ensure a spot on the roster long-term.

I have been impressed with his back-checking recently, but he's not going to be confused for a defensive specialist any time soon. He needs to start scoring goals in order to remain with the team.

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Given his style of play is that of an offensive sniper, unfortunately, he needs to be able to put up 20 goals to ensure a spot on the roster long-term.
I disagree, because I don't see him as an 'offensive sniper' but as a depth forward with a good shot, just as Peter Schaefer is a depth forward with good stickhandling skills.

All I want from either Peter is solid all-around play and one thing done better than average. The whole team can't be all-stars.

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