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09-07-2006, 01:07 PM
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Joe Corvo

Kings fans are debating how many games it's going to take Ottawa fans to "dislike" Joe Corvo - He may have been decent out here on the West Coast on a crappy Kings team but back East where they scrutinize every play, we're giving Mohawk Joe about 10 games or less.

What are YOUR thoughts about the signing?

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Well, we're sort of used to Brian "Soft-As-Molasses, Guess How Slow He Is?" Pothier's play for the better part of last season.

So, it's only fitting that someone else get the goat horns. It just wouldn't be a Sens team without it.

On defence, more than likely it'll be Corvo. Meszaros could slump in his sophmore year, and Volchenkov and Phillips will have to step up in Chara's absence and may not do the job. I'm fairly confident in Redden and Preissing for some reason. But Joe is likely the biggest culprit given what Kings fans' have said about him.

I don't think it's a particularly good signing, but last year's playoffs produced the mantra that mobility on the backline was important, so we've jumped aboard that bandwagon.

However, it's nice to have some depth at offense on the backline and hopefully someone who can make a good transition zone play or first pass out of the zone when Redden isn't on the ice.

And who knows? Maybe Corvo was a bad fit on the Kings and will thrive here in Ottawa. Stranger things have happened.

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09-07-2006, 01:25 PM
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I've heard contrasting opinions from Kings fans about Corvo - but as NyQuil mentioned, I'd be happy with a Pothier replacement capable of producing points.

The real question here is how well he will do with our reshaped D, in a more offensive atmosphere.

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09-07-2006, 01:33 PM
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Corvo was an awesome signing, he will be paired with Redden on the PP and will use his cannon shot. I am a fan of the signing and expect him to put up 40-50 points in his first season as a Sen. He was one of the only bright spots on the Kings last season and how could one talk bad about a player who was +16 and had 40 points (14 goals)

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Many already hate the acquisition, so, anyone who says he will be disliked during his time in Ottawa, will have evidence of it right away.

The one thing that may save Joe from the early wrath, is that the debate over who Ottawa should have retained, Redden or Chara, will mean that many Chara supporters will be watching every play that Redden makes, gleefully pointing out any errors. That should take up a great deal of radio time for the first part of the season. If we kept Chara, we'd have an equal amount of people doing the same.

Plus, there's also a few other distractions on our blueline. People will be watching Meszaros, after expectations have been built up pretty high from a strong rookie season. Volchenkov is already the new Garrioch whipping boy in trade rumours, so, he'll be watched for his play. Phillips will now have the added pressure of being our top shut-down defenceman, taking over from Chara. We will be weaker in this area this year, and, he may end up getting some of the blame.

But, Corvo will have to deal with his critics, I'm certain. Hopefully, he tunes it out, and focuses on his own game. If he can be a steady point producer, and be adequate defensively, and hold a top 4 spot, he's doing okay in my book. That may not be enough for all the fans here, but, I don't think we can expect too much more than that.

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Corvo was an awesome signing, he will be paired with Redden on the PP and will use his cannon shot. I am a fan of the signing and expect him to put up 40-50 points in his first season as a Sen. He was one of the only bright spots on the Kings last season and how could one talk bad about a player who was +16 and had 40 points (14 goals)
If you watched the Kings at all, you'd know that Joe's stats don't tell the true story.

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If you watched the Kings at all, you'd know that Joe's stats don't tell the true story.
I did watch the Kings, have center ice. Corvo always stood out. He made mistakes but they were not that bad. Corvo 54 give aways, Vishnovsky 73 give aways. Just some food for thought.

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There were several mentions by Kings fans about Corvo being the team's biggest surprise in the middle of last season. When a team is going downhill and every mistake is magnified, it's going to be easy to notice a guy who is prone to giveaways.

In my mind, if a guy contributes in one way, them I'm willing to overlook deficiencies in his game as long as the postives outweigh the negatives. If Corvo is a key power play contributer and is effective at starting offensive breakouts and supporting rushes, then I'm willing to overlook a few groaner giveaways a game. Especially given that unlike in L.A., his role in Ottawa doesn't necessitate him being a big-minute, top pairing defenseman as all of the other 5 starters have more than enough experience with those roles. There's only so much damage a 6th defenseman can do given his minutes if that's what he ends up being. I'd say his biggest asset will be as a powerplay specialist on the 1st unit.

But given that this is Ottawa and apparently Spezza is a bum because he performs some ill-advised blind passes every once and a while to go with his 70+ assists, I can see the crowd getting on Corvo because giveaways are the easiest thing for the casual fan to spot and recognizing strong first passes and positioning often escapes them.

But then again, you never know how a guy will play once he's in a new system. As mentioned, Corvo could really thrive playing with the Sens and could mesh very well with whatever partner they give him. His deficiencies could be covered up by playing against lesser forwards and inside a more offensive system where the forwards are always looking to take off with the proper first pass. We won't know until we see him.

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Well, at least he's saying the right things.

http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/...c-c40d57e8bfd0

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But given that this is Ottawa and apparently Spezza is a bum because he performs some ill-advised blind passes every once and a while to go with his 70+ assists, I can see the crowd getting on Corvo because giveaways are the easiest thing for the casual fan to spot and recognizing strong first passes and positioning often escapes them.
It's more the fact that under Jacques Martin, we couldn't win hockey games unless we scored the first goal.

In that kind of environment, giveaways are unforgiveable.

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Well, yes and no. Murray wasn't too thrilled with them either. He basically said, we're willing to live with a few bonehead plays a game as long as he gets a couple of beautiful assists a game. High risk, high reward.

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Well, yes and no. Murray wasn't too thrilled with them either. He basically said, we're willing to live with a few bonehead plays a game as long as he gets a couple of beautiful assists a game. High risk, high reward.
Well, at least he didn't say:

"Thanks for the regular season Jason, now take a seat in the press box."

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True enough.

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Everybody supposedly pines for the "good old days" in the 80's with the wide-open firewagon Oilers hockey. Take a good look at some old tapes of those games and you will see giveaways galore all over the place (and piss-poor goaltending). That's what leads to odd-man rushes and transition hockey.

So you can have flawless, defensive hockey where you hold on for the 2-1 win or you have the teams open it up and take some chances which will inevitably lead to some turnovers. I know what option I choose (hint: it's the one where I feel like I actually got my $60 worth each game).

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I like the Corvo signing but he is soooo fit for goat horns it isn't funny. Not Igor Kravchuk-sized horns, though. I give him 15 games or so because he has a noticeable style of play (lotsa puck carryin' n' shootin') and there is currently a goat horn vacuum in Ottawa now that Varada, Smolinksi, and Havlat are gone.

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there is currently a goat horn vacuum in Ottawa now that Varada, Smolinksi, and Havlat are gone.
Not to mention Bonk, Pothier, Hnidy, and every other player Rico_Persson has liked in the past decade. (including Rico Persson)

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There's also a big hole in the "that guy's so overpaid, if only we dumped him we could afford Conroy/Jokinen/Pronger/Tkachuk/Gionta/Gomez etc." now that Smolinski, Varada and DeVries are gone. Corvo fits very nicely as Sens fans try to find a way to squeeze one more superstar into the lineup.

I can't wait for the stream of "Trade Corvo" proposal threads to pop up throughout the season. I saw a few pop up within the first month of him signing his 4 year deal so I shudder to think how many we'll have totalled up by this time next year.

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There's also a big hole in the "that guy's so overpaid, if only we dumped him we could afford Conroy/Jokinen/Pronger/Tkachuk/Gionta/Gomez etc." now that Smolinski, Varada and DeVries are gone. Corvo fits very nicely as Sens fans try to find a way to squeeze one more superstar into the lineup.

I can't wait for the stream of "Trade Corvo" proposal threads to pop up throughout the season. I saw a few pop up within the first month of him signing his 4 year deal so I shudder to think how many we'll have totalled up by this time next year.
Hopefully he just lights it up and it wont matter. Thats all we can hope for. Considering how much money everyone else got this summer he isnt overpaid. But yes when you look at the grand scheme of things it does look like alot of money.

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There's also a big hole in the "that guy's so overpaid, if only we dumped him we could afford Conroy/Jokinen/Pronger/Tkachuk/Gionta/Gomez etc." now that Smolinski, Varada and DeVries are gone. Corvo fits very nicely as Sens fans try to find a way to squeeze one more superstar into the lineup.

I can't wait for the stream of "Trade Corvo" proposal threads to pop up throughout the season. I saw a few pop up within the first month of him signing his 4 year deal so I shudder to think how many we'll have totalled up by this time next year.
I think most people know that you can't sign and trade when it comes to UFA. It's bad protocol, and will only deter future free agents from signing. However, once a certain grace period is over (probably around December), I'm sure we'll see every trade proposal include him. A lot depends on Volchenkov. If he's not playing well, fans will stick with putting him in proposals. If he is playing well, then, I imagine that Vermette + Corvo + 3rd Round Pick will land us the player of our dreams.

What's going to be interesting to watch is, how people react to both Preissing and Corvo. Outside of their contracts, they're both pretty similar. Problem is, one is paid 4 times the other. It's not the fault of either player, as, it's simple league economics. But, I'm willing to bet that Preissing will do no wrong in the eyes of many fans.

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It's going to be hard to get really worked up over a guy who only makes $600,000. He's going to get plenty of slack from fans and if he performs anywhere close to the way he did last year, then he will be the golden boy. Cue the "Best bargain in the league" threads...

Let's not forget though, if Preissing falters then you'll also see the inevitable "This is what we got back for Havlat???" threads (at least until Hennessy and/or Barinka make any kind of impact).

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What's going to be interesting to watch is, how people react to both Preissing and Corvo. Outside of their contracts, they're both pretty similar. Problem is, one is paid 4 times the other. It's not the fault of either player, as, it's simple league economics. But, I'm willing to bet that Preissing will do no wrong in the eyes of many fans.
That would be pretty shortsighted... considered Preissing will probably sign (with another team?) for at least that next summer.
... I'll start typing out my form letter taking people to task for even mentioning it.

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I did watch the Kings, have center ice. Corvo always stood out. He made mistakes but they were not that bad. Corvo 54 give aways, Vishnovsky 73 give aways. Just some food for thought.
You have been the most vocal proponent of the Corvo signing since Day 1. From all accounts, Corvo is the 2nd coming of Pothier in this team and is already a prime candidate for the Jody Hull Award in some people's predictions.

So, what is your take on Pothier?

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You have been the most vocal proponent of the Corvo signing since Day 1. From all accounts, Corvo is the 2nd coming of Pothier in this team and is already a prime candidate for the Jody Hull Award in some people's predictions.

So, what is your take on Pothier?

I did like Pothier, he showed how good he was near the end of the season. That stretch of 8 games where he was forced to play 25+minutes a night was some of his best hockey. Picked up 7 points during those 8 games. He was an awesome 3rd pairing guy for us but he does not have the offensive talents that Corvo does, such as the big cannon shot. I feel Corvo will thrive paired with either Phillips or Volchenkov, one that can cover for any mistakes he might make and would allow him to play to the strengths of his game, moving the puck. Corvo should also see number 1 unit PP time because of his shot. He is surrounded by the proper pieces to flourish, unlike the Kings our forwards are skilled with the puck and can handle passes. With these pieces surrounding him 40-50 points is attainable something I think Pothier could never do in Ottawa as I dont think Pothier has the talent to play the point on the number 1 PP unit.

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What are YOUR thoughts about the signing?
Don't be jealous. No one likes that. Norris Corvo is here for another 4 years at a bargain price. Maybe you'll get lucky and the Kings can sign him as a UFA in the summer of 2011 for 10 million per.


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That right there is a shutdown line. Man wouldn't that be nice to have entering the third of Game 7, while hoving the lead.

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Pothier was the most offensive skilled player on Ottawas D. Raw skills, I'm talking about. Pure offense, no defence taking into consideration [that where Potsie struggled].

Having the smoothest hands on Ottawas defence doesn't really say much. It's like saying you have the hardest wrister in you beer league.

Pothier will struggle as the #1 man in WAS. He'll rack up PP points and I see him hitting 40 points with ease. 40 points, -34.

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I did watch the Kings, have center ice. Corvo always stood out. He made mistakes but they were not that bad. Corvo 54 give aways, Vishnovsky 73 give aways. Just some food for thought.
And your point is what? Lubo isn't exactly a defensive defensemen, but he plays the angles better and even plays the body moreso than Corvo.

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