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Best group of brothers

View Poll Results: Best pair or groups of brothers
Hull 2 2.67%
Gretzky 3 4.00%
Richard 33 44.00%
Esposito 7 9.33%
Sutter 15 20.00%
Stastny 3 4.00%
Lemieux 0 0%
Mahovlich 1 1.33%
Dryden 0 0%
Hatcher 0 0%
Stall 4 5.33%
Hunter 0 0%
Sedin 2 2.67%
Conacher 3 4.00%
Other 2 2.67%
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09-11-2006, 09:27 PM
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This isn't head to head play. This is a case of, if you had both Richards, both Espositos ect, would you ever consider trading them for all six Sutters? No disrespect to the Sutters, but I don't think any GM in their right mind would.
I really don't think there is a set way to decide between a pair of players and a large group of players.

I chose the Sutters, simply because I when I think of "hockey" and "brothers" they are by far the first names that jump to mind. I've always liked the mystique surrounding them. The fact that they were all gritty, hard-nosed players who were willing to nearly destroy each other if they were ever in the unfortunate situation of being on the opposing team just made them that much more entertaining.

It may not be the criteria that other people are using to select from the list, but, it's how I decided.

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09-11-2006, 09:35 PM
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As GBC said, the Bentleys are easily the biggest omission on the list. A few others to consider:

The Bouchers: Frank and Georges are both in the Hall, two other brothers also made it to the NHL.

The Pronovosts: Marcel and Jean both had long, distinguished careers

The Thompsons: Tiny and Paul

The Turgeons: Pierre and Sylvain; they undeniably had talent.

The Cooks: Bill and Bun


Some legends who had less-famous brothers appear for a cup of coffee in the NHL aside from Mario and Wayne:

Larry Robinson (Moe- 1 game)
Andy Bathgate (Frank- 2 games)
Mark Messier (Paul-9 games)
Patrick Roy (Stephane- 12 games)
Scott Stevens (Mike-23 games)
Gordie Howe (Vic- 33 games)
Bryan Trottier (Rocky-38 games)

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09-11-2006, 11:44 PM
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As GBC said, the Bentleys are easily the biggest omission on the list. A few others to consider:

The Bouchers: Frank and Georges are both in the Hall, two other brothers also made it to the NHL.

The Pronovosts: Marcel and Jean both had long, distinguished careers

The Thompsons: Tiny and Paul

The Turgeons: Pierre and Sylvain; they undeniably had talent.

The Cooks: Bill and Bun


Some legends who had less-famous brothers appear for a cup of coffee in the NHL aside from Mario and Wayne:

Larry Robinson (Moe- 1 game)
Andy Bathgate (Frank- 2 games)
Mark Messier (Paul-9 games)
Patrick Roy (Stephane- 12 games)
Scott Stevens (Mike-23 games)
Gordie Howe (Vic- 33 games)
Bryan Trottier (Rocky-38 games)
Very nice job, I forgot about the Cooks and Bouchers. And I didn't know Tiny and Paul were brothers. One of the other two Boucher brothers was Billy, who was a very good player.

A few others:

Sprague & Odie Cleghorn. Sprague is a HoF defenseman, and Odie was an excellent center possibly deserving of the HoF.

Cy & Corb Denneny. Cy is a HoFer, and Corb was an excellent player possibly deserving of the HoF.

Nick & Don Metz. Both were important players for the great Toronto teams of the 40s. Nick was one of the greatest defensive forwards of all time, and was a clutch scorer.

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09-11-2006, 11:55 PM
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It depends on your qualifications. To me the fact that 5 brothers had NHL careers from the same family is unbelievable. Were there pairs of brothers who were more skilled or accomplished? Of course.

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09-11-2006, 11:59 PM
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As GBC said, the Bentleys are easily the biggest omission on the list. A few others to consider:

The Bouchers: Frank and Georges are both in the Hall, two other brothers also made it to the NHL.

The Pronovosts: Marcel and Jean both had long, distinguished careers

The Thompsons: Tiny and Paul

The Turgeons: Pierre and Sylvain; they undeniably had talent.

The Cooks: Bill and Bun


Some legends who had less-famous brothers appear for a cup of coffee in the NHL aside from Mario and Wayne:

Larry Robinson (Moe- 1 game)
Andy Bathgate (Frank- 2 games)
Mark Messier (Paul-9 games)
Patrick Roy (Stephane- 12 games)
Scott Stevens (Mike-23 games)
Gordie Howe (Vic- 33 games)
Bryan Trottier (Rocky-38 games)
Nice work, reck. Yeah, I'd rate the Cook's right up there (Bill was an awesome player, one of the best RWs of all-time; Bun was a very good player who got in the HHOF on one of those "veteran's committee" votes, together they formed the Bun Line with Frank Boucher, another guy you mentioned, who happens to be one of the best playmakers ever).

But the Turgeons? No offence, buddy, but I might actually take the Bures ahead of them. Pierre's gifted, no doubt about that. Could have been the Stastny of the 1990s. But he's soft. Really soft. And Sylvain was soft, too. The only thing worse than a soft player is an injury prone soft player. He was a gifted goal scorer - stiffs don't score 106 goals in their first three years. He scored 164 over his last nine years. He sure could have used some of Kevin Dineen's moxie.

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Sure, none of them were as good as the guys you mentioned. And those guys aren't as good as Gretzky, Orr, or Howe. I just think having 6 brothers in the NHL is very impressive. More impressive than 2, or 3 IMO. Cheers.
I think the Richards, Gretzkys and Lemieuxs have more talent in their 2 or 3 than the 6 Sutters combined.

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Look, you disagree with my opinion, fine. Calling it "dumbest arguementation" and "foolish" is going to get a rise.

Did I say they were all very good BTW?

Sure, none of them were as good as the guys you mentioned. And those guys aren't as good as Gretzky, Orr, or Howe. I just think having 6 brothers in the NHL is very impressive. More impressive than 2, or 3 IMO. Cheers.
Well, it's sure is mighty impressive from a geneticist point of view...

But as a hockey fan that's not what I'm looking for. 19 cups, over 1000 goals, two hall-of-famer and top-20 players all-time, two captain of the most glorious hockey franchise is what I call impressive..

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Well, it's sure is mighty impressive from a geneticist point of view...

But as a hockey fan that's not what I'm looking for. 19 cups, over 1000 goals, two hall-of-famer and top-20 players all-time, two captain of the most glorious hockey franchise is what I call impressive..
Henri Richard isn't one of the top 20 players of all time

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What, no Hanson brothers?

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I think it depends on exactly what the question is looking for. I think of it more in terms of the average talent of the brothers if that makes sense. Each Richard brother (and Espositos too for that matter) was better than any of the Sutters so I'd include them.

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Henri Richard isn't one of the top 20 players of all time
probably not but he has the most rings - rings win in my book

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I think it depends on exactly what the question is looking for. I think of it more in terms of the average talent of the brothers if that makes sense. Each Richard brother (and Espositos too for that matter) was better than any of the Sutters so I'd include them.
It's based on which group of brothers would you want on your team. Would you rather have 6 Sutters being part of your 20 man roster, or the two Richards, for example.

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The Potvin brothers, Denis and Jean, is a notable omission.

There were also 3 Plager brothers; Bob, Barclay, and Bill.

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probably not but he has the most rings - rings win in my book
Yes, rings are nice...but perhaps having a career that straddled two dynasties had something to do with it as well. Great player, but 11 rings can be decieiving. Was over twice as good as Bobby Orr and Mario Lemieux combined? Was he even at all better than his brother, who only had 8?

You can't say it's luck or fluke, because he was certainly a big part of it. But rating a player based on team accomplishments is a poor way to go about it.

Ulf Samuelsson has 2 rings, Cam Neely has none. Sometimes life's just not fair.

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Yes, rings are nice...but perhaps having a career that straddled two dynasties had something to do with it as well. Great player, but 11 rings can be decieiving. Was over twice as good as Bobby Orr and Mario Lemieux combined? Was he even at all better than his brother, who only had 8?

You can't say it's luck or fluke, because he was certainly a big part of it. But rating a player based on team accomplishments is a poor way to go about it.

Ulf Samuelsson has 2 rings, Cam Neely has none. Sometimes life's just not fair.
Rings are often a matter of circumstances, especially getting a boatload of rings. Still Henri Richard was a great player and a deserving Hall of Famer. Not a top 20 or top 50 player but still a great player even if he only won a couple of rings instead of 11.

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Rings are often a matter of circumstances, especially getting a boatload of rings. Still Henri Richard was a great player and a deserving Hall of Famer. Not a top 20 or top 50 player but still a great player even if he only won a couple of rings instead of 11.
Henri Richard is listed at position 29th on the Hockey News top-50 players of all-time published in 1998.

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It's based on which group of brothers would you want on your team. Would you rather have 6 Sutters being part of your 20 man roster, or the two Richards, for example.
Considering that probably only 2 or maybe 3 Sutter would have made the Habs 1955-1956 team and that this team won 5 cups in a row with both Richards leading the way.

That's a no brainer.
No?

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I'll add a couple other honerable mentions....

- the Mullen brothers; Joe & Brian

GP G A Pts PIM
Joe 1062 502 561 1063 241
Brian 832 260 362 622 414

- the Broten borthers; Neil, Aaron, and Paul

GP G A Pts PIM
Neil 1099 289 634 923 571
Aaron 748 186 329 515 441
Paul 322 46 55 101 264 [not as great]

My vote would go to the Richards, because both had great, HOF careers.


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I believe the Sedins are classified as sisters

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I voted the Rizotto brothers, because they had Frankie Pantangeli killed.

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Homer pick, but I will go with the Sutter's

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Voted Richards. Second might even be the Bentleys and they weren't on the original list.

Somebody mentioned how intense the Sutters were by pointing out that they would try to kill each other when they were on opposing teams. Imagine if Rocket and Pocket were on different teams. They knocked each other unconcious in a training camp scrimmage once. And if we want to get picky and since we're including fringe NHLers in this discussion, Claude Richard would be part of the Richard package.

And if we're going to start talking about Turgeons and Sedins, then I feel obligated to say that Eric and Brett Lindros in their primes would be better than a bunch of the other brothers named.

The Niedermayers would be pretty nice to have as well.

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Voted Richards. Second might even be the Bentleys and they weren't on the original list.

Somebody mentioned how intense the Sutters were by pointing out that they would try to kill each other when they were on opposing teams. Imagine if Rocket and Pocket were on different teams. They knocked each other unconcious in a training camp scrimmage once. And if we want to get picky and since we're including fringe NHLers in this discussion, Claude Richard would be part of the Richard package.

And if we're going to start talking about Turgeons and Sedins, then I feel obligated to say that Eric and Brett Lindros in their primes would be better than a bunch of the other brothers named.

The Niedermayers would be pretty nice to have as well.
Don't think Claude Richard ever played a game in the NHL However, I do remember his nickname "the vest pocket rocket"

I voted the Conachers. IMO, they were the first Royal family of hockey. Charlie won the Art Ross twice, Roy once. They collectively won 5 cups & had 8 all star selections. All are HOFers. Brian & Pete of the next generation also played in the NHL.

Second would be the Richards & third would be the Bentleys. Fourth is the Hulls.

Has there ever been a 3 generation family in the NHL? The Patricks maybe?
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Has there ever been a 3 generation family in the NHL? The Patricks maybe?
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- Howie Morenz

- Bernard «Boom Boom» Geoffrion

- Danny Geoffrion

- Blake Geoffrion was drafted by Nashville (2nd round 56th overall) in the 2006 draft.

Though Howie Morenz was Boom Boom step-father and isnt blood related.

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- Howie Morenz

- Bernard «Boom Boom» Geoffrion

- Danny Geoffrion

- Blake Geoffrion was drafted by Nashville (2nd round 56th overall) in the 2006 draft.

Though Howie Morenz was Boom Boom step-father and isnt blood related.
I think Morenz was Boom- Boom's fatherin-law.

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