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Let me start this by saying there is nothing really new about this trade suggestion. Its just how it looks so strange now.
colorado gets Curtis Joseph
washington gets Alex Tanguay
detroit gets robert lang
this deal or something like it has been mentioned in the past, but after almost 20 games this season Tanguay and Lang are ranked 1st and 2nd in the NHL in scoring. In fact Tanguay's 25pts and Lang's 23 pts are solid leaders with a drop all the way to 19pts to get to 6th place.
Colorado will not want CuJo's contract, and probably believe he's better serving them by poisoning the atmosphere in the Detroit locker room for as long as possible. Why help Detroit extricate itself from that pickle?
They sure as hell aren't trading Tanguay anytime soon. He and Lang may be neck and neck in points, but Tanguay is young and cheap.
Let me start this by saying there is nothing really new about this trade suggestion. Its just how it looks so strange now.
colorado gets Curtis Joseph
washington gets Alex Tanguay
detroit gets robert lang
this deal or something like it has been mentioned in the past, but after almost 20 games this season Tanguay and Lang are ranked 1st and 2nd in the NHL in scoring. In fact Tanguay's 25pts and Lang's 23 pts are solid leaders with a drop all the way to 19pts to get to 6th place.
Why would colorado want any part of this deal. Tanguay is playing the best he ever has and has been our top forward with Forsberg and Kariya out and no set time table for thier return. Plus they could get Cujo for some poclet lint and about 4 million of his contract paid for. Plus Aebi has been playing fine and if you saw last nights game vs. Anahiem, you'd of seen that Aebi is a fantastic goalie and kept the Avs in the game and only surrendered one goal on a defensive mistake.
The other teams it makes sense for.
Detriot: unloads cujo picks up a top 6 center
wash: cuts salary and gets the top point producer in the league
Why would colorado want any part of this deal. Tanguay is playing the best he ever has and has been our top forward with Forsberg and Kariya out and no set time table for thier return. Plus they could get Cujo for some poclet lint and about 4 million of his contract paid for. Plus Aebi has been playing fine and if you saw last nights game vs. Anahiem, you'd of seen that Aebi is a fantastic goalie and kept the Avs in the game and only surrendered one goal on a defensive mistake.
The other teams it makes sense for.
Detriot: unloads cujo picks up a top 6 center
wash: cuts salary and gets the top point producer in the league
The Caps will not get any major roster player from a contender nor would they really need one. Lang is OBVIOUSLY not worth that much anyhow altho he is producing well this year.
The Caps are strictly looking for picks and prospects and wouldnt expect to get the leading scorer on the Avalanche.
Fans tend to overvalue their own players far too much and this clouds their judgement when it comes to suggesting trades. Classic example.
Colorado will not want CuJo's contract, and probably believe he's better serving them by poisoning the atmosphere in the Detroit locker room for as long as possible. Why help Detroit extricate itself from that pickle?
They sure as hell aren't trading Tanguay anytime soon. He and Lang may be neck and neck in points, but Tanguay is young and cheap.
While its all fine, well and good "poisoning the atmosphere in the detroit locker room", the best case scenario is that eliminates Detroit as a threat. It doesn't win Colorado anything. They would be taking a big risk to into the playoffs with Aebischer as the goalie they are relying on.
i only posted this because tanguay has been the trade bait for a year in every colorado trade rumor and that lang has been mentioned in this cujo scenario before. AND now they are leading the nhl in points. i thought it was a hoot.
some of you just can't see the irony. its ok. i also have to remind myself that robert lang could lead the nhl in scoring this year and still not be worth more than a 4th round draft pick. thats my fault. i should know better.
by the way...who realistically thinks that either tanguay or lang will be in the top 5 by end of season?
The Caps will not get any major roster player from a contender nor would they really need one. Lang is OBVIOUSLY not worth that much anyhow altho he is producing well this year.
The Caps are strictly looking for picks and prospects and wouldnt expect to get the leading scorer on the Avalanche.
I think the reality of the NHL has moved so quickly that you haven't caught up. no one is going to trade quality prospects this season. a quality prospect now is a roster player after the lockout. Maybe I am the only one that feels that way, but I don't see rich teams offering anything but willingness to take on a contract this year when it comes to high dollar players on the trade market. there may be big contract for big contract trades or young player for young players trades, but there will not be any rob blake for adam deadmarsh and aaron miller deals this year. I will be stunned if first round draft picks get moved.
So...your opinion that the Caps are strictly looking for picks and prospects means they are shopping in an empty store.
i only posted this because tanguay has been the trade bait for a year in every colorado trade rumor and that lang has been mentioned in this cujo scenario before. AND now they are leading the nhl in points. i thought it was a hoot.
some of you just can't see the irony. its ok. i also have to remind myself that robert lang could lead the nhl in scoring this year and still not be worth more than a 4th round draft pick. thats my fault. i should know better.
by the way...who realistically thinks that either tanguay or lang will be in the top 5 by end of season?
The way Tanguay's playing right now, anything's possible.
He looks to be stronger at both ends of the ice, and is finally coming into his own. Whereas last season a lot of stray second assists fell in his lap, this year he's creating his own space and taking full advantage of it. Because of that, he's worth a helluvalot more now than he was last season when you saw him in all those rumors.
I don't fully expect him to be tops in scoring when the year's done, but this "streak" is starting to look more like the shaping of that great player that he was expected to be for the past few seasons. If Tanguay's dealt at this point, then you better start talking something of higher value than Cujo or Lang--as both have 10 years on Tanguay and scary long term commitments.
Cujo is overrated...he lets in soft goals and plays way too deep in his net and if you shoot high on him its alot easier to score than say shooting high on Kolzig or Burke. And one of those two, according me, will probably be an Av come playoffs. Say No to Cujo!!
Why wouldn't the Avs just center a package for Kolzig around Tanguay instead? Or trade like a 5th rounder for CuJo and a few million if they want CuJo?
While its all fine, well and good "poisoning the atmosphere in the detroit locker room", the best case scenario is that eliminates Detroit as a threat. It doesn't win Colorado anything. They would be taking a big risk to into the playoffs with Aebischer as the goalie they are relying on.
There are far better options out there for goalies than a $16 million goalie who has been unimpressive when he has played this year, and is now rusty. Including Aebischer, incidentally, whose numbers so far are excellent, including a 10-3 record, respectable 2.25 GAA and .917 save perentage. Nothing wrong with those numbers, and that is during a period when Colorado has had injuries.
If Colorado decides to make a change, which is possible but hardly necessary right now, it won't be CuJo.
There are far better options out there for goalies than a $16 million goalie who has been unimpressive when he has played this year, and is now rusty. Including Aebischer, incidentally, whose numbers so far are excellent, including a 10-3 record, respectable 2.25 GAA and .917 save perentage. Nothing wrong with those numbers, and that is during a period when Colorado has had injuries.
If Colorado decides to make a change, which is possible but hardly necessary right now, it won't be CuJo.
Lets compare Aebischer this with Turco last year. Both this year Colorado team and last year's Dallas team are stacked teams with Cup expectations. Turco had a regular season gaa of like 1.70. He was a Vezina finalist. In the playoffs he was average...at best. Dallas took a $60m team into the playoffs and left it in the hands of a $500k goalie.
They got what they deserved...bounced. This year Colorado is in the same situation. A one shot deal with Selanne and Kariya on the team and they are going to trust that shot to Aebischer?
Lets compare Aebischer this with Turco last year. Both this year Colorado team and last year's Dallas team are stacked teams with Cup expectations. Turco had a regular season gaa of like 1.70. He was a Vezina finalist. In the playoffs he was average...at best. Dallas took a $60m team into the playoffs and left it in the hands of a $500k goalie.
They got what they deserved...bounced. This year Colorado is in the same situation. A one shot deal with Selanne and Kariya on the team and they are going to trust that shot to Aebischer?
you may be right, Aebi probably won't get us through the playoffs but neither will Cujo.
Lets compare Aebischer this with Turco last year. Both this year Colorado team and last year's Dallas team are stacked teams with Cup expectations. Turco had a regular season gaa of like 1.70. He was a Vezina finalist. In the playoffs he was average...at best. Dallas took a $60m team into the playoffs and left it in the hands of a $500k goalie.
They got what they deserved...bounced. This year Colorado is in the same situation. A one shot deal with Selanne and Kariya on the team and they are going to trust that shot to Aebischer?
Nope. They are not going to trust that shot to Aebischer. Neither are they going to trade Tanguay for a goalie they could have picked up on waivers. Cujo is not the only alternative...especially not at that price.
Lets compare Aebischer this with Turco last year. Both this year Colorado team and last year's Dallas team are stacked teams with Cup expectations. Turco had a regular season gaa of like 1.70. He was a Vezina finalist. In the playoffs he was average...at best. Dallas took a $60m team into the playoffs and left it in the hands of a $500k goalie.
They got what they deserved...bounced. This year Colorado is in the same situation. A one shot deal with Selanne and Kariya on the team and they are going to trust that shot to Aebischer?
Let's not compare Aebischer to Turco, who set the all-time record GAA last season. He's not a representative sampling at all. It was an awesome season, nearly impossible to duplicate. The near .920 save percentage Aebischer can boast at present is elite class.
I agree with those who think that eventually the Avalanche may very well decide to add a goaltender. I disagree with those who believe it will happen anytime soon.
Anyone they elect to add will be a big time goalie, and thus very well paid. Since Aebischer is doing a more than adequate job holding down the fort right now, why not wait until March to make that trade, and save yourself the cash? Kolzig is one possibility, as is Burke, as are others. No rush. Certainly the price need not be your highest scoring forward.
If you take into account nothing other than the bandwagon Redwings fan's view, this trade is good for all three teams. But if you aren't stupid, you realize that this trade screws Colorado and Washington improves dramatically. Colorado could get any number of goalies at a much cheaper price than Tanguay and pay the goaltender much less than (what is it, $8 m - $5 million the wings will pay, + whatever is left for the rest of this season= still too much for CuJo when they could get another goalie).
BTW, the reason for the Turco comparison isn't to say "hey Aebischer's numbers suck;" they are, I believe trying to make a point that even a goaltender who plays well in the regular season (Turco), he, especially if young/unproven, might not play well in the playoffs where it really matters.
The Caps will not get any major roster player from a contender nor would they really need one. Lang is OBVIOUSLY not worth that much anyhow altho he is producing well this year.
The Caps are strictly looking for picks and prospects and wouldnt expect to get the leading scorer on the Avalanche.
Fans tend to overvalue their own players far too much and this clouds their judgement when it comes to suggesting trades. Classic example.
Are you kidding me. Now I might overrate Tanguay's value a little bit but if you have watched him play at all this year you can tell that he has finally become the player everyone thought he would.
The numbers don't lie. Tanguay is the leading scorer in the league. There is no way around that and I think he has points in something like 15 of his last 16 games. Sure he may have Hejduk on a line with him but Hejduk isn't setting himself up and Tanguay has definetely stepped up with the absense of Forsberg.
And while on the whole numbers factor sure Lang is doing good in Washington but Cujo is doing horrible with the claimed "Best defense ever" and couldn't stop a beach ball right now.
How is it that this trade could make sense to anyone.
When fans don't know much it clouds their judgement and post stupid responses. Classic example.
Let's not compare Aebischer to Turco, who set the all-time record GAA last season. He's not a representative sampling at all. It was an awesome season, nearly impossible to duplicate. The near .920 save percentage Aebischer can boast at present is elite class.
That "ELITE" save % you're talking about ranks him 20th in the league. Not all that ELITE too me. Let me throw some other stats out there. GAA 2.25, 24th in the league.
Not that I'm badmouthing Abbie. He's done a decent job, but I wouldn't want to go into the playoffs with an untested goalie.
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lets see how Tanguay does now that some of the big guns are down, and he won't be getting cheap points playing with a HOF line.
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lets see how Tanguay does now that some of the big guns are down, and he won't be getting cheap points playing with a HOF line.
Still leading the league in scoring and assists. You obviously have not watched many Avs games at all if you come off assuming Tanguay gets "cheap points." Just going with the flow or something?
Still leading the league in scoring and assists. You obviously have not watched many Avs games at all if you come off assuming Tanguay gets "cheap points." Just going with the flow or something?
Actually I saw the Avs play live in CO last month...I wasn't impressed. In fact...never even noticed Tanguay on the ice.
Let's see if he can carry the team with the real stars injured.
