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03-01-2007, 07:41 AM
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Shawn Matthias had a goal and four assist last night.

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He has 26 points in his last 15 games.
Nice. Everyone points to projections that this kid may top off as an elite checking line center (which isn't a bad thing), but those were projections from before this season. He's now averaging over a point per game.

He's 19. Projecting the development of 19 year olds is as murky as forecasting the weather.

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Nice. Everyone points to projections that this kid may top off as an elite checking line center (which isn't a bad thing), but those were projections from before this season. He's now averaging over a point per game.

He's 19. Projecting the development of 19 year olds is as murky as forecasting the weather.
He could become a second line center or winger in the NHL. He's a solid prospect, not a blue-chipper but on the same level as Stewart or Kreps. Thing is, with that size, toughness, and skating ability it's going to help him a long way.

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Frolik held off the scoresheet in a 2-1 shootout win, kinda......i guess, he scored the Shootout winning goal, the only one to score in teh shootout from either team so he got them the win but no "official" points. Maybe we can call him up as a shootout specialist for this stretch drive

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This has probably been mentioned many times over, but I simply haven't paid attention to when he'll be in the NHL...when will Frolik be here?

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This has probably been mentioned many times over, but I simply haven't paid attention to when he'll be in the NHL...when will Frolik be here?
He's looking good, this year was crucial, depending on his transition to the NA Pro game will be a key factor on reading when he'll be here. If he can seamlessly transfer (he's a very hard worker with phenomenal skills so I'm not too concerned) then he'll be here sooner, however if he struggles like some other of our prospects moving to the AHL then we'll have to worry about the bust factor depending on how that goes.

Most likely he'll play next year in Rimouski or the AHL, rather Rimouski I think, then after that I expect he either makes the team out of camp or starts in the minors (hopefully orlando by then ). If he gets a chance to play in the A this year and plays well after his team is done then perhaps have him start next year in the AHL. It's a slight possibility we see him sometime next year as an injury call up but I think that'd be rushing him. I'd be expecting him to adjust into the NHL in 2008-2009 and by 2009 be either a bust or a top 6 player at that time.

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I have to say I'm pretty disgusted with a lot of Panther prospects right now. With all the recalls to Buffalo, not one of them has stepped up to carry this team while we're so short. Meyer, Kreps, Larman, Jacina and especially Stewart. All invisible. David Brine came up from the ECHL, arrived 20 minutes before the game, and outplayed every single one of them. Stewart especially is deteriorating.

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With four players on recall to the Buffalo Sabres, winger Anthony Stewart is being counted on to be a leader. He may have had the team lead in turnovers on Sunday, though defenseman Andrej Sekera gave him competition.

"Just one of a lot of guys," Cunneyworth said when asked about Stewart's play. "I know a couple of his bosses (Jack Birch and Duane Sutter of the Florida Panthers) are here. If that doesn't wake him up, I don't know what will."
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I have to say I'm pretty disgusted with a lot of Panther prospects right now. With all the recalls to Buffalo, not one of them has stepped up to carry this team while we're so short. Meyer, Kreps, Larman, Jacina and especially Stewart. All invisible. David Brine came up from the ECHL, arrived 20 minutes before the game, and outplayed every single one of them. Stewart especially is deteriorating.
Don't forget the fact that he showed up without equipment and had to cobble together pads and used a one-piece stick when he's used to a two-piece. And still he scored the only goal of the game.

Must make a point, though, that Brine is also a Panthers prospect. And the remaining Sabres prospects haven't been stepping up, either. It's also looked like defense hasn't been up to snuff lately (though I also notice Lojek's tailing way off in +/-, down to +8 last I looked).

Realistically, though, you've got to face facts. The Panthers prospects down there aren't exactly blue chippers (Stewart is, but we're all aware how he's been playing this season), whereas the now missing Sabres prospects are. A team loses most of its scoring punch, they're going to start losing a lot more games.

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Don't forget the fact that he showed up without equipment and had to cobble together pads and used a one-piece stick when he's used to a two-piece. And still he scored the only goal of the game.

Must make a point, though, that Brine is also a Panthers prospect. And the remaining Sabres prospects haven't been stepping up, either. It's also looked like defense hasn't been up to snuff lately (though I also notice Lojek's tailing way off in +/-, down to +8 last I looked).

Realistically, though, you've got to face facts. The Panthers prospects down there aren't exactly blue chippers (Stewart is, but we're all aware how he's been playing this season), whereas the now missing Sabres prospects are. A team loses most of its scoring punch, they're going to start losing a lot more games.
I don't see Stewart as a top prospect anymore. If he can't produce at any form of rate in his second AHL season, on a good team, he can't be considered anywhere near a Top prospect.

Presuming the Sabres and Panthers still send players to Rochester next season (I am unaware of the situation regarding our AHL team next year) then McArdle and Collins will both be in the AHL. Im looking forward to see how Collins will do outside Junior. McArdle will be a third liner, and thats it. Pretty safe, but nothing special.

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I don't see Stewart as a top prospect anymore.
He still is one, but one that is likely playing himself out of an NHL career. In other words, he's a blue chip prospect that's threatening to bust.

But I guess that's a to-mate-o - to-mot-o kind of thing.

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McArdle will be a third liner, and thats it. Pretty safe, but nothing special.
Actually, I'd have to disagree. I think McArdle is being billed as a special kind of third liner. Something the Panthers haven't usually had: A third liner who can play defense, grind it out, has a scoring touch that could contribute a respectable number of goals, and who (I'm guessing) will also be able to fill a spot on the PK. Third line can be important, especially in the playoffs. Even having a sound 4th line can be critical when playing the best teams. McArdle's a piece of that puzzle, I think, a replacement for Marcus Nilson/Niklas Hagman, but with a bit more offensive upside.

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I agree that Stewart has been less than expected so far. But i must say in the few games i saw Kreps play i was pretty impressed. He's got size and speed, and he was working hard on that 4th line. When you're on the fourth line after being called up from the farm team, there's not much else you can do than just play hard and use your size and speed to try and get Martin to notice.

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He still is one, but one that is likely playing himself out of an NHL career. In other words, he's a blue chip prospect that's threatening to bust.

But I guess that's a to-mate-o - to-mot-o kind of thing.


Actually, I'd have to disagree. I think McArdle is being billed as a special kind of third liner. Something the Panthers haven't usually had: A third liner who can play defense, grind it out, has a scoring touch that could contribute a respectable number of goals, and who (I'm guessing) will also be able to fill a spot on the PK. Third line can be important, especially in the playoffs. Even having a sound 4th line can be critical when playing the best teams. McArdle's a piece of that puzzle, I think, a replacement for Marcus Nilson/Niklas Hagman, but with a bit more offensive upside.
Being english, your Tomatoe analogy fails with me I get what your saying, but IMO he isn't a top prospect anymore. He won't IMO ever become a top 6 winger, and thus in my eyes he isn't a great prospect.

I agree about McArdle, he'll be a good third liner, and every team needs useful bottom lines. However, our need is someone who is going to be an elite forward (Frolik has this potential).


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I agree about McArdle, he'll be a good third liner, and every team needs useful bottom lines. However, our need is someone who is going to be an elite forward (Frolik has this potential).
Yeah, with luck Frolik will be the opposite of Stewart. Drafted with questions about his motivation, but finds his drive and blossoms into a top-6 forward.

I'm also holding out hope for Stew. He's only been a prospect for three years, and this is his first full professional season (remember his season was very short last year). If he can be reached by coaches during the offseason, he may come back ready to go next year. I kind of had him pegged at a second-line upside anyway.

On another point, I think you'd agree with me that the Panthers' real need right now is for some defensive depth. No way should Martin Lojek ever have seen the NHL this season. Nor should Tuma and Swanson be in the A, according to our Rochester fans.

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Actually, I'd have to disagree. I think McArdle is being billed as a special kind of third liner. Something the Panthers haven't usually had: A third liner who can play defense, grind it out, has a scoring touch that could contribute a respectable number of goals, and who (I'm guessing) will also be able to fill a spot on the PK. Third line can be important, especially in the playoffs. Even having a sound 4th line can be critical when playing the best teams. McArdle's a piece of that puzzle, I think, a replacement for Marcus Nilson/Niklas Hagman, but with a bit more offensive upside.
i'm seeing kreps in that role, actually. so much can change though - mcardle will probably go pro next year, right?

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Yeah, with luck Frolik will be the opposite of Stewart. Drafted with questions about his motivation, but finds his drive and blossoms into a top-6 forward.

I'm also holding out hope for Stew. He's only been a prospect for three years, and this is his first full professional season (remember his season was very short last year). If he can be reached by coaches during the offseason, he may come back ready to go next year. I kind of had him pegged at a second-line upside anyway.

On another point, I think you'd agree with me that the Panthers' real need right now is for some defensive depth. No way should Martin Lojek ever have seen the NHL this season. Nor should Tuma and Swanson be in the A, according to our Rochester fans.
Frolik doesn't really have motivational issues IMO. He fell due to the league he was in really, amd maybe he was overhyped slightly, although i still believe he has as much potential as nearly anybody in that draft.

I agree our D depth sucks, although i am against drafting a D prospect in the 1st this year. We need another offensive dynamo, and our D on our main club with Bouwmeester enables us to worry more about offense.

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Frolik doesn't really have motivational issues IMO. He fell due to the league he was in really, amd maybe he was overhyped slightly, although i still believe he has as much potential as nearly anybody in that draft.

I agree our D depth sucks, although i am against drafting a D prospect in the 1st this year. We need another offensive dynamo, and our D on our main club with Bouwmeester enables us to worry more about offense.
Frolik had/has a really strong work ethic and a great attitude even before the draft. The reason he dropped was because people felt that due to his confidence dropping, scouts weren't sure whether he'd be able to refind his game eventually, but he has to a nice extent in the Q. Stewart supposedly was a hard worker though wasn't he? His laziness started that year in juniors where he was returned after not being able to reach a contract.

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Frolik doesn't really have motivational issues IMO. He fell due to the league he was in really, amd maybe he was overhyped slightly, although i still believe he has as much potential as nearly anybody in that draft.

I agree our D depth sucks, although i am against drafting a D prospect in the 1st this year. We need another offensive dynamo, and our D on our main club with Bouwmeester enables us to worry more about offense.
I certainly am not saying that Frolik has motivational issues, just that scouts said he appeared to in his draft year which is why he dropped from 5th to 11th.

But as for D...pray for JBo to stay healthy. But even then he can't do it all. We saw JBo progress this year and Salei exceed expectations to be our 2nd best dman (at least), but Van Ryn's injuries, Mezei's usual season-ender, Allen's struggles, and Semenov's defection left the team woefully exposed and revealed the severity of the weakness in the Panthers' prospect system. No NHL D prospects currently in the pipeline in Rochester or ECHL Florida.

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Don't forget the fact that he showed up without equipment and had to cobble together pads and used a one-piece stick when he's used to a two-piece. And still he scored the only goal of the game.

Must make a point, though, that Brine is also a Panthers prospect. And the remaining Sabres prospects haven't been stepping up, either. It's also looked like defense hasn't been up to snuff lately (though I also notice Lojek's tailing way off in +/-, down to +8 last I looked).

Realistically, though, you've got to face facts. The Panthers prospects down there aren't exactly blue chippers (Stewart is, but we're all aware how he's been playing this season), whereas the now missing Sabres prospects are. A team loses most of its scoring punch, they're going to start losing a lot more games.
Correct that some of the Sabres players haven't stepped up. Zagrapan and Hunter. Mancari, though, was probably the only reason we won last Wednesday. You have to remember that the teams main problem is scoring goals and we only have 3 Sabre forwards right now, and one scored 2 out of 3 goals in our last win. So I may be biased, but I'm pinning most of my anger on the Florida players, because that's really who deserves it right now. Except Sprukts. He's been great and it's unfortunate he's hurt right now.

And I understand they aren't great prospects to begin with, but they aren't even putting forth the effort. That's where the problem is.

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Correct that some of the Sabres players haven't stepped up. Zagrapan and Hunter. Mancari, though, was probably the only reason we won last Wednesday. You have to remember that the teams main problem is scoring goals and we only have 3 Sabre forwards right now, and one scored 2 out of 3 goals in our last win. So I may be biased, but I'm pinning most of my anger on the Florida players, because that's really who deserves it right now. Except Sprukts. He's been great and it's unfortunate he's hurt right now.

And I understand they aren't great prospects to begin with, but they aren't even putting forth the effort. That's where the problem is.
in their defense, it's gotta be pretty tough for morale when the team is torn apart the way it's been because of injuries in the show. where did the leadership come from before all of the callups (who was/is the captain)?

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in their defense, it's gotta be pretty tough for morale when the team is torn apart the way it's been because of injuries in the show. where did the leadership come from before all of the callups (who was/is the captain)?
No, these are the same players who we heard rumors earlier in the year complaining about not getting enough playing time. Now they are getting it, and doing nothing. This is their chance to prove they are real NHL prospects, and each and overy one of them is failing miserably.

The captain is Brandon Smith, he's Amerk property. He's been very shaky too.


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I have to say I'm pretty disgusted with a lot of Panther prospects right now. With all the recalls to Buffalo, not one of them has stepped up to carry this team while we're so short. Meyer, Kreps, Larman, Jacina and especially Stewart. All invisible. David Brine came up from the ECHL, arrived 20 minutes before the game, and outplayed every single one of them. Stewart especially is deteriorating.



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That's funny because whenever Kreps gets called up he plays very well, and he has a real good shot of making the Panthers full time next season. He's just uninspired playing in the AHL.

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That's funny because whenever Kreps gets called up he plays very well, and he has a real good shot of making the Panthers full time next season. He's just uninspired playing in the AHL.
I doubt it. He'll end up back in Europe in no time.

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I doubt it. He'll end up back in Europe in no time.
i'm with mb - kreps will make the squad next year. he's looked very strong up here. i think he's ready to play with the big boys.

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I certainly am not saying that Frolik has motivational issues, just that scouts said he appeared to in his draft year which is why he dropped from 5th to 11th.

But as for D...pray for JBo to stay healthy. But even then he can't do it all. We saw JBo progress this year and Salei exceed expectations to be our 2nd best dman (at least), but Van Ryn's injuries, Mezei's usual season-ender, Allen's struggles, and Semenov's defection left the team woefully exposed and revealed the severity of the weakness in the Panthers' prospect system. No NHL D prospects currently in the pipeline in Rochester or ECHL Florida.
I agree, in the draft we should and will take the best player available, as you always should when you draft that high. If that happens to be a defenseman, then we should take him, especially considering we have a pathetic collection of D prospects like you said. You should always try to keep a balanced pool of prospects in each position in your reserve.

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i'm with mb - kreps will make the squad next year. he's looked very strong up here. i think he's ready to play with the big boys.
That's fine. I'll go on record right here that he will not be a regular with the Panthers next season.

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I think its possible for Kreps to make it, but of course, it depends on thousands of things. Who we pick up for forwards in the offseason will help determine whether he makes it or not.

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