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Ribeiro vs Niinimaa

View Poll Results: Who won this trade?
Habs fleeced them bigtime! 12 3.72%
Habs look better now than before 97 30.03%
Even trade 114 35.29%
Dallas improved here 64 19.81%
Gainey got smoked again! 36 11.15%
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09-30-2006, 08:55 PM
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Some might not like the recent acquisitions to much, but why? This will be the most exciting team we have had for years. ALot of fun. I love it.

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09-30-2006, 08:56 PM
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with Pleks as #2 c and JN as # 6 D the Habs are a better team today than yesterday.

Without Ribs we are faster, stronger, better defensively and better in the faceoff dot. With JN our defense depth is better.

$600k. cap hit

The unsportsman-like diving incident can be put to bed.

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09-30-2006, 09:07 PM
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Right now, I can't understand the deal at all..

But I've enough faith in Bob Gainey to think that maybe it's a good move.

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09-30-2006, 09:18 PM
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Kots + ninima > ribs + streit
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09-30-2006, 09:25 PM
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Dallas won... I don't like Gainey's recent acquisitions at the exception of Johnson.

I just don't understand the move. Why have we claimed Traverse if we were to have a new defenseman... And with an healthy defense

Markov-Komisarek
Rivet-Souray
Bouillon-Dandenault

where would he fit?

I doubt he is an upgrade over any of those guy.

plus we now have

Traverse-Streit-Cote-O'byrne-Jancevski who are ready to be 6th or 7th NHL Defenseman.

so if Bob doesn't move a defenseman in the following week, I can't see the point of having so much defense depth.
Well simply put, Dallas probably said no to Bob at first, so Bob took Traverse, but then he got a phone call saying the deal is ok with Dallas... so he pulls it, since he (and pretty much anyone with a brain honestly) thinks Niinimaa>Traverse, and Traverse goes to Hamilton with an AHL salary (roughly 50 000 maybe) and no cap hit. Who cares if GG spends 50 000 more, its not our money... Gainey simply got played by Dallas, who asked him to wait too long.

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09-30-2006, 09:37 PM
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it is a lot of $$ for a # 7 guy when Bubbles gets back, Maybe the other shoe drops and we see Souray gone too? Then it makes more sence

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09-30-2006, 09:44 PM
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Habs get owned. I think Niinimaa is on the decline, and Ribeiro will have a career season in Dallas.
this could easily happen, Why would dallas get another center?

Im not sure if Ninimaa is worth his salary, or if he is worth trading Even Ribs for. Now that we have little cap space left, who will center the second line?

It will be extremely hard to add a center now that we have ninimaa's 2.5 Million salary. which is an extra 600,000 over ribs salary. so we have about 1.8 left?

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09-30-2006, 09:45 PM
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It was an even trade. One young, soft, defensively confused player for the other.

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09-30-2006, 09:46 PM
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great post
only thing is kost is already ours and not a center

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This trade was more to get rid of ribs than anything. Regardless of what he does in dallas he was not going to do any better in montreal. Ninimaa is a decent pickup as he adds another decent d-man to the blue line. But Plekanec will do a much better job as the 2nd line center(great with kovy against ottawa). Besides I dont think gainey is quite done yet.

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only thing is kost is already ours and not a center
You can move Johnson or Higgins at center.

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09-30-2006, 09:57 PM
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this could easily happen, Why would dallas get another center?

Im not sure if Ninimaa is worth his salary, or if he is worth trading Even Ribs for. Now that we have little cap space left, who will center the second line?

It will be extremely hard to add a center now that we have ninimaa's 2.5 Million salary. which is an extra 600,000 over ribs salary. so we have about 1.8 left?
I think Gainey could have gotten a better defenseman for cheaper. A pick could have gotten much better. And god knows we don't need picks anymore, we have plenty of youth.

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You can move Johnson or Higgins at center.
And Begin.

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Even trade ...Go figure

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Dallas wins because while both acquisitions are pretty useless for their new teams IMO, they saved on cap space. Player wise this is a stupid deal both ways, but because of contracts I'll give Dallas the $608k win.

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09-30-2006, 10:11 PM
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has niinimaa ever turtled after a hit?

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09-30-2006, 10:40 PM
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Ninimaa is not that soft and is big. If Niinimaa is your 7th Dman you have a good team. He skate with the others and that is a huge plus. The Habs have been transformed in a couple of years to a fast fast team.

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Who won this deal?
Dallas

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09-30-2006, 11:12 PM
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If Montreal traded Ribeiro to Dallas for the new "Tickle me Elmo" Montreal would have won the trade. Hands down Ribeiro was the weakest player on our team. He was slow, weak and could not backcheck. He was also NOT a good influence on our young players. This trade is sooooo good for Montreal on so many levels.

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09-30-2006, 11:14 PM
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Even if Dallas won the trade, it doesn't matter. After having seen Plekanec click with Samsonov and Kovalev, I'd say the Habs are better today than they were yesterday.

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09-30-2006, 11:20 PM
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IMO with all the efforts Ribeiro gave this summer and in the training camp he deserved to start the year in Montreal... plus the lines are all messed up, they seemed very balanced to me...now Zhogy-Bonk-Johnson looks more of a 4th line and Lats-Bégin-Murray more of a 5th line.. meeh..

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09-30-2006, 11:24 PM
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does anyone here think dallas is going to make Ribs there number 2 center? i dont

does anyone here think Ribs will get first line power play time in Dallas ? i dont

can he handle the tuffer western confrence night in and out:?
will soon see .


why does anyone think he'll have a carreer season in dallas as a 3 line center at best . his ice time is going way DOWN in Dallas .

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Streit > Niinima

Isn't that scary?
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Niinnima is ****ing awful. Him or Traverse it's the same...
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Right now, I can't understand the deal at all..

But I've enough faith in Bob Gainey to think that maybe it's a good move.

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09-30-2006, 11:41 PM
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does anyone here think dallas is going to make Ribs there number 2 center? i dont

does anyone here think Ribs will get first line power play time in Dallas ? i dont

can he handle the tuffer western confrence night in and out:?
will soon see .


why does anyone think he'll have a carreer season in dallas as a 3 line center at best . his ice time is going way DOWN in Dallas .
Have you seen him this year?

He played energetic, inspired hockey though out the camp and pre-season.He looked a lot faster, in better shape.. he made things happen on the ice. And this comes from someone who used to bash him hardcore. He looked like he'd have a very good season...

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Have you seen him this year?

He played energetic, inspired hockey though out the camp and pre-season.He looked a lot faster, in better shape.. he made things happen on the ice. And this comes from someone who used to bash him hardcore. He looked like he'd have a very good season...

In preseason against half regular season lineups, Ribeiro was good. He probably will have a solid season, but Ribeiro having a good season stat wise isn't enough. His hitting will disappear like it always does, he will continue to rely on other players, and he won't show up again in the playoffs.

Plekanec is much better suited for the second line spot as he is creative, has more energy, speed, and defensive awareness. He can create for himself and for his teammates, and doesn't become a liability if not scoring.

Now Janne isn't the player he once was, but many players struggled last season in the new NHL. I will reserve judgement on him until he plays in Montreal cause somewhere in him is the Oiler that was a very good defenseman. Maybe he needs to get back north in a hockey market.

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