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11-20-2003, 05:54 AM
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Buffalo's biggest problem....

The best players are not on the Sabres. Miller and Roy should be up here, but they are not.

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11-20-2003, 06:22 AM
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The best players are not on the Sabres. Miller and Roy should be up here, but they are not.
no need to hurry those guys. they will be here soon enough..

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11-20-2003, 06:41 AM
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The best players are not on the Sabres. Miller and Roy should be up here, but they are not.
I think I saw that Miller had a .840 save percentage when he was up here, he could use some more time in Rochester even if his numbers look great down there...

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11-20-2003, 06:47 AM
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And Derek Roy has cooled off after starting out red hot.

I wouldn't call him the best player on the Sabres by a long shot.

Although, I am getting tempted by Miller with the way he's playing.

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Norenen played well when Biron got pulled. They should give him another start, maybe Carolina.

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no need to hurry those guys...
At the expense of wasting another season and further alienating the fan base?

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Norenen played well when Biron got pulled. They should give him another start, maybe Carolina.
I agree. He should actually be given a string of starts. But I like Roby's point about rotating Biron and Noronen every other game despite their showings. This "ride the hot hand" crap is a proven failure as both goalies are too inconsistent, Biron moreso than Noronen...not that Mika has had the chance to prove otherwise.

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At the expense of wasting another season and further alienating the fan base?
I highly doubt that simply calling up Roy and Miller will instantly transform this team into something that is a lot better than the current inconsistent bunch that we see on a night to night basis.

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I highly doubt that simply calling up Roy and Miller will instantly transform this team into something that is a lot better than the current inconsistent bunch that we see on a night to night basis.
I can forgive youth and inexperience for inconsistency however. Roy and Miller would add a fresh spark, turning attention away from this perpetual mediocrity to hope for the future.

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I can forgive youth and inexperience for inconsistency however. Roy and Miller would add a fresh spark, turning attention away from this perpetual mediocrity to hope for the future.
Sorry, but I don't think that will fly with most fans.

Some people may buy that, but I'm guessing that the vast majority of people want to see this team winning on a more consistent basis. And I don't see this team being Roy and Miller away from that happening.

They may help, but it's not like they will be willing to raise the play of the entire team should they get called up.

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At the expense of wasting another season and further alienating the fan base?

It will be unacceptable to have both those guys not pan out.

They've been preaching Miller will be the #1 for years now, there is no way they will take a chance to ****** his development.

I'd throw Vanek in there with Roy, there is no need to rush these guys, they are way too important to our future (Vanek especially) to worry about a little increase in excitement this year by bringing them up (Roy, in this case).

Give them a full season in the minors, make them earn the call up.

What do you think the fan base will look like if either of those guys flop b/c they were brought up before they were ready?....Not worth the risk, IMO.

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It will be unacceptable to have both those guys not pan out.

They've been preaching Miller will be the #1 for years now, there is no way they will take a chance to ****** his development.

I'd throw Vanek in there with Roy, there is no need to rush these guys, they are way too important to our future (Vanek especially) to worry about a little increase in excitement this year by bringing them up (Roy, in this case).

Give them a full season in the minors, make them earn the call up.

What do you think the fan base will look like if either of those guys flop b/c they were brought up before they were ready?....Not worth the risk, IMO.
I agree in terms of Roy and certainly Vanek, but Miller has already had a full season in the AHL. If Buffalo has a potential trade that would necessitate bringing Ryan up as the starting goalie, I would not be worried about it stunting his development.

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I agree in terms of Roy and certainly Vanek, but Miller has already had a full season in the AHL. If Buffalo has a potential trade that would necessitate bringing Ryan up as the starting goalie, I would not be worried about it stunting his development.
I think the combo of Miller and Noronen would be very serviceable this season...and even better in the future. Biron and his 2+ million dollar salary has got to go.

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I think the combo of Miller and Noronen would be very serviceable this season...and even better in the future. Biron and his 2+ million dollar salary has got to go.
Biron would be the logical choice to go. He would definitely command more in return as well.

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I'd throw Vanek in there with Roy, there is no need to rush these guys, they are way too important to our future (Vanek especially) to worry about a little increase in excitement this year by bringing them up (Roy, in this case).


Ugh, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. I don't get this "everyone needs 3 years in the minors before they're ready" mentality so many people have at this site. Yes, that's true for plenty of players, but not all of them. If Derek Roy is ready now, he should be playing now, ditto for Miller, Vanek and any other prospect in the league. Now I don't quite agree with mdoak's comment but I think if a player is ready to graduate the AHL, you bring him up. If Curtis Brown has to go to make room for Derek Roy, then you do that.

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The best players are not on the Sabres. Miller and Roy should be up here, but they are not.
And here I thought their real problem was a lack of first line talent, not that their "best" players are in the minors and not yet fully developed (which is a sad state in and of itself).

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Ugh, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. I don't get this "everyone needs 3 years in the minors before they're ready" mentality so many people have at this site. Yes, that's true for plenty of players, but not all of them. If Derek Roy is ready now, he should be playing now, ditto for Miller, Vanek and any other prospect in the league. Now I don't quite agree with mdoak's comment but I think if a player is ready to graduate the AHL, you bring him up. If Curtis Brown has to go to make room for Derek Roy, then you do that.
Yeah, no kidding. Vanek was supposed to be the player most likly to make an impact, yet he's in Minnesota and we see Stahl, Fleury and Horton playing in the NHL this year.

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Yeah, no kidding. Vanek was supposed to be the player most likly to make an impact, yet he's in Minnesota and we see Stahl, Fleury and Horton playing in the NHL this year.
As much as i would have absolutely loved to see Vanek in a Sabres jersey this year, he was kept in Minnesota so he could have another chance to light up the league, gain more confidence/experience, and maybe win another championship. But I think Roy should be up here and Satan should be traded immediately.

 
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And here I thought their real problem was a lack of first line talent, not that their "best" players are in the minors and not yet fully developed (which is a sad state in and of itself).
This team has too many problems right now.

lets break it down.

1) scoring: 12 goals last seven games

2) consistency: Isles, Canucks, Atlanta, Devils.... man handled us. The guys seemed to quit on the ice. the effort is not always the best...

3)fundaments: score on the PP, go in the corners to get the puck, drive to the net for rebounds... DUH

4) goaltending: youth, inconsistency. No one has stepped up

5) and you knew this coming: management, average drafts, needs still not filled after 2+ years, depth in the minors is slim, coachable problems not resolved (see inconsistency, fundamentals). IMO

I dont know how Roy will do up here. I liked the way he looked in training camp, but he is another small guy who is going to get pushed around. I think/hope he can be a drury like player w/ better scoring touch, not sure about the leadership part though....

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I would be all for bringing Ryan back up...He played his heart out in those fist two games (other then the last period of the islanders game) but I dont see why we cant bring Roy up for a couple games instead of Taylor. Dont give him a spot roght away but what would it hurt for a trial run. He wouldnt have to clear waivers so I dont see the problem

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11-20-2003, 04:40 PM
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Buffalo's biggest problem is the beer is too expensive. Make it 2 bucks and the fans will come and afterward they won't remember what to complain about.

Miller and Roy can stay where they are until trades are made to make spots for them. I hate it when players are jerked around like yo yo's and they get told "even though you deserve to be in the NHL we had to send you back down because the other guys would have to clear waivers.". It creates more problems than it's worth.

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buffalos biggest problem is coaching, or lack there of

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buffalos biggest problem is coaching, or lack there of
Coaching can only bring out so much from an individual's natural talents. It's not like this team is laced with a plethora of God-given ability just waiting to be discovered.

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Coaching can only bring out so much from an individual's natural talents. It's not like this team is laced with a plethora of God-given ability just waiting to be discovered.
This team is short on talent, but motivation is sorely lacking as well. And while the players are partly to blame for that, the lack of motivation and focus happens with too many players too often for the coach to not be partly responsible. Teams with considerably less talent come up here and out work this team all the time and the fans end up here complaining when they should be celebrating.

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This team is short on talent, but motivation is sorely lacking as well. And while the players are partly to blame for that, the lack of motivation and focus happens with too many players too often for the coach to not be partly responsible. Teams with considerably less talent come up here and out work this team all the time and the fans end up here complaining when they should be celebrating.
I advocated for a house cleaning from top to bottom within the hockey department at the end of last season, even as early as November of last year. There are many problems with the team that someone will have to solve before they're a legit contender, the most glaring of those to me is the lack of superior talent. That was mdoak's original comment, about "Buffalo's biggest problem". Seems a small-view style to look at what they've got and not see that it doesn't stack up against Cup contenders now and in the immediate future. Again, I come back to the bandaid approach that was the late-80's, early-90's Sabres that saw a middle of the road team trounced in the playoffs with regularity. Long term, a contending team built to last will be what returns fannies to seats in the HSBC Arena, not early playoff exits or regular season mediocrity. Being an also-ran late in the year salves no fans hurts.

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