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Trade Proposal: Iginla to Carolina

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11-20-2003, 07:33 PM
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Iginla to Carolina. I would love to hear it, but I know it will never happen.

If they could use the defense, hears my proposal:

Carolina
D Brett Hedican
D Aaron Ward
D Sean Hill
2nd round pick in 2004
2nd round pick in 2005

for

Calgary
RW Jarome Iginla
LW Martin Gelinas
D Robyn Regehr


Make necessary changes as you see fit. I just propose this for fun
Puke.

Do you even consider the needs of Calgary in this proposal? I know this is a proposal board, but this one had absolutely NO thought go into it.

If Calgary is having a hard time swallowing Iginla's salary (which I don't think the are), then Carolina would choke and die on it. I don't think Carolina is in any better financial situation than the Flames; in fact, maybe worse.

But if Carolina really wants Iginla, start with O'Neill. We give up the best player in the deal - the least we deserve back is a player with atleast SOMEWHAT the offense Iginla brings.

BTW, did I mention your offer is horrible?

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11-20-2003, 07:49 PM
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Carolina
D Brett Hedican
D Aaron Ward
D Sean Hill
2nd round pick in 2004
2nd round pick in 2005

for

Calgary
RW Jarome Iginla
LW Martin Gelinas
D Robyn Regehr
Would you mind it if I barfed all over you?

I wouldn't trade Robyn Regehr alone for that crap-ass package. Hedican -> worthless, Ward -> worthless, Hill -> worthless.

One of the worst proposals I've ever seen on these boards.

Edit: You want Iginla and Regehr, start with O'Neill, Staal, Vrbata and Markov. Then maybe we'll talk.

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11-20-2003, 08:00 PM
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Well the thing about Staal is that he's already appeared in 20 or so NHL contests and he's on pace right now for about a 60 point season. His defense has been outstanding and he has given no reason why he didn't merit the #2 overall selection. So you saying Staal > Reinprecht is like saying #2 overall selection > Reinprecht. See what i'm saying? Just look at the return when the Islanders dealt the #2 overall pick to the Senators for Jason Spezza and look at that return. That return was just a tiny bit higher than a Steve Reinprecht. Staal also has the potential to be a franchise type player. Something that we can safely say, Steve Reinprecht will never be able to obtain.

Even if Staal hits all his bonuses and tops out i'm pretty sure it's about a 3 or 4 million number. Even so, i'd be happy to pay that for a 19 year old 60 point a year player who plays fine defense.
Thats great, I'm not saying Staal isn't worth the dough, but your argument about salary is incorrect.

Why do I think Staal isn't worth a world more than Reinprecht? If you want to use the Spezza deal as an argument, I don't think Yashin is worth that much more than Reinprecht. Look at how players like Lindros and Bure are doing, that tells you what the recent trend of those rich spoiled slobs.

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I'll start the voting for most ******** proposal EVER

for your vote.

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Edit: You want Iginla and Regehr, start with O'Neill, Staal, Vrbata and Markov. Then maybe we'll talk.
that's even worse !!!!!!!

markov = regehr (not worth *****ing about)

staal/oneill/vrbata >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iginla

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11-20-2003, 09:53 PM
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that's even worse !!!!!!!

markov = regehr (not worth *****ing about)
serious?

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when markov is playing like he can, damn straight

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11-20-2003, 10:14 PM
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when markov is playing like he can, damn straight
And how about when Regehr is playing like he can?

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ok, first let's define where we're going.. are we going the route of trying to figure out what player is better? or simply who has more value.. combining both, and having seen LOTS of each, markov in toronto and some in phoenix and regehr in junior and lots in calgary, i'd take markov if i had to pick just out of the two..

if i was building a team, i'd probably take regehr and his potential over markov and his wear and tear, but i was picking say for a playoff series i'd take markov every time right now...

now, when you ask how about when regehr is playing like he can.. at that same time is markov playing like he can? b/c i'd take markov, just who i'd take..


in terms of that proposal by evman.. generally speaking, markov = regher.. i mean markov and any one of the following vrbata/staal/oneill definitely > regehr, so i just left that out..

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11-20-2003, 10:42 PM
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Iginla to Carolina. I would love to hear it, but I know it will never happen.



Carolina
Eric Cole
Jeff O'Neil
Radim Vrbrata
2nd round pick in 2004


for

Calgary
RW Jarome Iginla
LW Martin Gelinas
D Robyn Regehr

MIGHT be doable

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that's even worse !!!!!!!

markov = regehr (not worth *****ing about)

staal/oneill/vrbata >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iginla
The way I saw it is that Markov, Vrbata = Regehr and Staal, O'Neill = Iginla.

I value Robyn Regehr much more than Danny Markov. Markov is a solid top-4 guy, but nothing to write home about, imo. I compare him to a more physical Toni Lydman or Sami Salo. A poor man's Mattias Ohlund or Mattias Norstrom. He's good, but not Robyn Regehr good.

Just my opinion though.

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MIGHT be doable

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Both Iginla and O'Neill have had close to the same career statisticly. Except for the fact that O'Neill has alot more playoff experience and Iginla has a hefty contract.

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The way I saw it is that Markov, Vrbata = Regehr and Staal, O'Neill = Iginla.

I value Robyn Regehr much more than Danny Markov. Markov is a solid top-4 guy, but nothing to write home about, imo. I compare him to a more physical Toni Lydman or Sami Salo. A poor man's Mattias Ohlund or Mattias Norstrom. He's good, but not Robyn Regehr good.

Just my opinion though.
ok, good and fair especially stating its your opinion, like i did with markov, but a question... an honest one just so clarity

you compare markov to a poor man's ohlund and norstrom, but say he isn't regehr good. i'm just curious where you'd place regehr then? with ohlund and norstrom? or a hair below them but wayy ahead of markov?..

just curious

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11-20-2003, 11:05 PM
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ok, good and fair especially stating its your opinion, like i did with markov, but a question... an honest one just so clarity

you compare markov to a poor man's ohlund and norstrom, but say he isn't regehr good. i'm just curious where you'd place regehr then? with ohlund and norstrom? or a hair below them but wayy ahead of markov?..

just curious
I think Regehr has the upside to become better than both Norstrom and Ohlund, but right now he is not there. Regehr is not WAY ahead of Markov. He is just ahead, not by too much. Imo...

Ohlund
Norstrom

Regehr

Markov


Salo
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I'll start the voting for most ******** proposal EVER

for your vote.


Reg Igg Gel for that. Tried it in the ESPN NHL game and they even turned it down.

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Carolina
D Brett Hedican
D Aaron Ward
D Sean Hill
RW Pavel Brendl
LW Jaroslav Svoboda
RW Craig Adams (this would never happen, he's the ass. GM's butt-budy)
2nd round pick in 2004
2nd round pick in 2005

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Calgary
RW Jarome Iginla
LW Martin Gelinas
D Robyn Regehr
Holy ****! Flames want quality not quantity.

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I know it's a bad proposal, that's the fun in it One thing I realized is that I meant Gauthier, not Regehr. My bad.

Anyhoot, how about this:

Carolina
D Ward
D Hill
LW Svoboda
RW Craig Adams

RW O'Neill
2nd round pick in 2004

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Calgary
RW Iginla
LW Gelinas
D Gauthier

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How much is O'Neill making?

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O'Neill 3.7
Iginla 7.5

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I know it's a bad proposal, that's the fun in it One thing I realized is that I meant Gauthier, not Regehr. My bad.

Anyhoot, how about this:

Carolina
D Ward
D Hill
LW Svoboda
RW Craig Adams

RW O'Neill
2nd round pick in 2004

for

Calgary
RW Iginla
LW Gelinas
D Gauthier
I don't think you get it yet. Calgary has NO need for Ward or Hill or Adams. Svoboda and O'Neill are good starts, but here's where Calgary and Carolina become bad trading partners.

after those two players, pickings get thin. If anything, Sutter might want Vrbata as well, and try and re-create the line of Mcammond - Reinprecht - Vrbata.

But, these two teams just DON'T make good trading partners. Well, maybe they do, but not if it involves Iginla.

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Thats great, I'm not saying Staal isn't worth the dough, but your argument about salary is incorrect.

Why do I think Staal isn't worth a world more than Reinprecht? If you want to use the Spezza deal as an argument, I don't think Yashin is worth that much more than Reinprecht. Look at how players like Lindros and Bure are doing, that tells you what the recent trend of those rich spoiled slobs.

At least Yashin is a healthy rich spoiled slob.

Staal just a bit over Reinprecht ??
That's almost as ridiculous as the initial proposal...

BTW NYI gave Spezza AND Chara for Yashin, and they overpaid, as much as they are overpaying Yashin himself now...

 
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Both Iginla and O'Neill have had close to the same career statisticly. Except for the fact that O'Neill has alot more playoff experience and Iginla has a hefty contract.
Don't think so. O'Neill's best point total year was the same as Iginla's 3rd best year. Iggy's also managed to lead the league in goals and points before; O'Neill hasn't.

Iggy's won the Art Ross, Maurice Richard, and Lester Pearson trophies. That's what seperates him from O'Neill - his salary, unfortunently, is a benchmark to that success.

Until O'Neill pulls that off, I don't see him as be better in any way except for salary.

I mentioned before that even Iginla's salary is not a problem for Calgary because it's accounted for. In Carolina, I really don't think they have the financial capability to afford him. Sad but true.

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I know it's a bad proposal, that's the fun in it One thing I realized is that I meant Gauthier, not Regehr. My bad.

Anyhoot, how about this:

Carolina
D Ward
D Hill
LW Svoboda
RW Craig Adams

RW O'Neill
2nd round pick in 2004

for

Calgary
RW Iginla
LW Gelinas
D Gauthier

How about this:

Calgary Gives up:

Iginla

Montreal gives up:

Hossa Markov and 2nd Rounder

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Iggy's won the Art Ross, Maurice Richard, and Lester Pearson trophies. That's what seperates him from O'Neill - his salary, unfortunently, is a benchmark to that success.

Until O'Neill pulls that off, I don't see him as be better in any way except for salary.
1. Well I guess that puts him in the same boat as Theodore and Turco for putting good numbers and winning trophys during a contract year.

2. I never said O'Neill is better. I said they were simular statisticly over their respective careers.

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