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10-12-2006, 07:11 PM
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Not sure how often you saw him, but I attended many of his games and he's definitely not the kind of defenseman getting caught deep in the offensive zone, he likes to take a chance when he gets an opportunity but once he get rid of the puck, he always skates back to the blueline instead of positionning himself as a fourth forward, and he's quick enough to rarely get caught out of position.

His main weakness, apart from physical play, is that he often lets too much room to the puck carrier on one on one situation, but on this particular aspect of the game, the small rinks might actually help him as it forces him to play closer to his opponent. All in all, the guy was far from in defensive nightmare during his time in Switzerland, he's quick enough to avoid being out of the play, and his quick hands and hockey smart allow him to pick up many passes. I'd take that kind of player any day before any of these so called defensive specialists that will turn the puck over right after getting it.

I'm not surprised in any way by what I saw here. One thing for sure, he's terrific when dealing with forecheckers and when creating plays from the blueline.
Well I havent seen them that regularly, maybe 8-10 games a year and another 3-5 if they made it to the finals, it was just my impression that he often got caught and had IIRC Sandy Jeannin covering his back. Maybe nightmare is an overstatement and/or I just remember some bad plays but Im definitely not the only one with that impression, this became sort of a running gag between me and one of my buddies, especially in the 2004 playoff final between Bern and Lugano. I recall it being a toss up wether he'd score with one of his feared slapshots or just screw up at one point. He was very entertaining nonetheless . But maybe you have a more complete picture of his play, and my impression was just the exception, in that case I stand corrected.

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10-15-2006, 05:05 PM
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He reminds me of Kimmo Timmonen
I get that feeling as well

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10-16-2006, 02:48 PM
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As a TPS fan who loves to follow team Finland, I obviously like both Timonen and Nummelin. However, I'd say Nummelin is closer to Visnovsky than Timonen in style. Kimmo is a fine offensive defenseman and generally much better than Petteri without the puck, but he's still quite defenseman-like with his manouvers. He's very smart offensively and controls the puck well, but doesn't pull you out of your seat the way Nummelin does from time to time.

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10-16-2006, 05:18 PM
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As a TPS fan who loves to follow team Finland, I obviously like both Timonen and Nummelin. However, I'd say Nummelin is closer to Visnovsky than Timonen in style. Kimmo is a fine offensive defenseman and generally much better than Petteri without the puck, but he's still quite defenseman-like with his manouvers. He's very smart offensively and controls the puck well, but doesn't pull you out of your seat the way Nummelin does from time to time.
I hope that's true. Lubo is one of my favorite players in the NHL. Don't want to get my hopes up to that level and be dissapointed though.

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10-17-2006, 09:19 AM
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As a TPS fan who loves to follow team Finland, I obviously like both Timonen and Nummelin. However, I'd say Nummelin is closer to Visnovsky than Timonen in style. Kimmo is a fine offensive defenseman and generally much better than Petteri without the puck, but he's still quite defenseman-like with his manouvers. He's very smart offensively and controls the puck well, but doesn't pull you out of your seat the way Nummelin does from time to time.
Timonen is a solid two-way defenseman, Nummelin is an offensive guy who isn't a lyiability (anymore) defensively..

Timonen is way ahead of Nummelin in defensive awareness.

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10-18-2006, 09:00 AM
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Timonen is a solid two-way defenseman, Nummelin is an offensive guy who isn't a lyiability (anymore) defensively..

Timonen is way ahead of Nummelin in defensive awareness.
Yeah, you're right. I didn't mean to label Timonen as an offensive defenseman, but to merely praise his ability to move the puck which is still quite impressive for a blueliner. I Should have phrased myself better.

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Timonen is a solid two-way defenseman, Nummelin is an offensive guy who isn't a lyiability (anymore) defensively..

Timonen is way ahead of Nummelin in defensive awareness.
I'd say that the jury is still very much out on the issue of Nummelin not being a liability defensively. I think that the comparison to Lubo Vishnovsky illustrates it well. Nummelin, while a good skater, is nowhere near as strong on his skates as Lubo or Timonen IMO. Hence, he's going to get pushed around more, and will get burned because of that sometimes. His defensive game has no doubt become better, and he's not taking as many risks as he has in the past. We'll see how it plays out. Nice to see Petteri finally playing in NHL anyhow.

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10-20-2006, 08:50 AM
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Nummelin = poor man's Phil Housley.

Still a valuable player for the Wilds, if used right.

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10-27-2006, 02:43 PM
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Don't like the sounds of them back spasms.

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Don't like the sounds of them back spasms.
He shouldn't play in either of the next two games.

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10-27-2006, 10:20 PM
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well he played tonight

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10-28-2006, 07:41 AM
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His points look disappointing.

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10-28-2006, 10:04 AM
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His points look disappointing.
He's always been a bit inconsistent when it comes to points. But in the long run...not so much.

And 4 points in 9 games isn't that bad for a defenseman who hasn't played in the NHL in half a decade. It's only natural if he struggles a bit.

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10-28-2006, 10:55 AM
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He's doing just fine.

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10-28-2006, 11:15 AM
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He's doing just fine.
Oh, yeah. No question. I'm not worried about the points, because this is one case where they just don't tell the whole story. For example, I've seen some power plays where he was singlehandedly responsible for keeping the puck in the zone at least a half dozen times on the same PP, with simply amazing plays that probably nobody else on the team could have made. His work on the point allows the other skaters to slip down a little lower in the zone, creating more offensive chances. It may not always lead directly to goals, but those are the little things that make a good team a very good team. And he does a lot of them.

I agree he makes some risky decisions from time to time, but he's one player that I'm confident Jacques will be able to get past that. He seems very coachable, and I doubt he'll be making those same decisions a month from now. All in all, this was a very good acquisition for Risebrough, who suddenly seems to be doing every single thing exactly right.

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10-28-2006, 11:48 AM
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Keeping the puck in the zone is one of his really nice specialities, and I'm glad it works out in the NHL ^^

On the national team I've seen him throw himself towards the puck just to keep the powerplay hot ^^

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10-31-2006, 11:00 AM
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he's still on the second pp unit?

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10-31-2006, 12:32 PM
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he's still on the second pp unit?
Um ... there are two PP units and neither are really the #1 unit. He usually plays with Johnsson. Often they're with the Bouchard-Rolston-White line which makes for plenty of great passes.

With Gaborik out of the line-up and Demitra in a bit of a slump (or at least looking lost without his bud), he's sometimes paired with Rolston on the point.

Lemaire really swaps things around looking for a way to rejuvenate the PP.

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11-03-2006, 02:17 PM
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He usually plays with Johnsson. Often they're with the Bouchard-Rolston-White line which makes for plenty of great passes.
As much as I like Demitra and Gaborik, I really like the Bouchard PP unit, one of the best in the league. Nummelin is fun to watch, ala Kaberle, Timonen, etc. Great skating defensemen that can distribute the puck are rare.

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11-03-2006, 02:24 PM
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Nummelin looks more like Zidlicky than Timmonen...


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11-06-2006, 01:17 AM
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Nummelin looks more like Zidlicky than Timmonen...



not at all Nummelin can't hit at all pretty much... And Zidlicky is very smart defensively and is one of the best open ice hitters in the league (with Kasparaitis sucking, probably THE best hipchecker in the league)

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11-06-2006, 11:25 AM
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Nummelin = Jykri Lumme

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Nummelin = Jykri Lumme
Nopes. Jyrkki doesn't electrify and never has... He is more of an extremely smart player on both ends of the ice. Nowadays his lack of footspeed will hinder him though ^^

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