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Joe Nieuwendyk, first ballot HOF'er?

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10-10-2006, 03:06 AM
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Joe Nieuwendyk, first ballot HOF'er?

Just a simple poll, is Joe Nieuwendyk a first ballot hall of famer? I think he is definitely a HOF'er but first ballot is where it gets murky for me.

Career achievements:
3 stanley cups
1 conn smythe trophy
won the calder trophy
1 olympic gold medal
4 time NHL all star

stats:
116 career playoff points in 158 games
1121 career points in 1244 games
No 100 point seasons
2 90 point seasons

injuries have been a factor, if he had been healthy there are a few years were he could've scored 100. But with Joe you have to take more than stats into account. I've been thinking about it, and I don't know if he will or not.

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Nah, he was never the best, and only the best should be first ballot.

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Maybe a 2nd or even a 3rd..... lotsa better players than him have retired in the last year and those near retirement like hasek, chelios, roenick, belfour, joseph, sakic, blake all are ahead of him.... dont forget the lineup to the hall is getting long with the likes of Messier, Francis, Hull, Macinnis, Stevens, Robitaille, Yzerman, and maybe Andreychuk.

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Nieuwendyk is one of the TOP 10 Players to ever play the game, of course he gets in.

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Like others have said, was never the best, plus, the competition for HHOF spots will be pretty tight when he does retire.

There's a few guys that may be retiring within the same time frame, that I'd be willing to give first ballot status ahead of him (Hasek, Leetch, Chelios), and, there's guys that have or will be waiting for their inductions, who missed getting in on their first ballot, that will get consideration ahead of him (Gilmour, and others depending on what happens with the post-lockout class of retired players).

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Not a first ballot but going in Hall for sure.

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Nieuwendyk is like Brind'amour: Unless you had 20 HOF players on your team, you'd want Joe on your team.

That being said, I'd put Rod in the hall before Joe.

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Joe Nieuwendyk will get in but he'll just have to wait a few rounds, or is that years....after the Messiers and Yzermans are inducted he should get in around the same time as Dave Andreychuk or Adam Oates.... They'll get inducted during a lull year... a year where they would normally induct builders and coches and media types.

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That being said, I'd put Rod in the hall before Joe.
How so? Nieuwendyk has done everything Brindamour has and more.

That said, I would find it hard to see him as a first ballow HOFer. IMO he's behind Gilmour, who's apparently a second balloter at best now.

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Rod Brind'amour is the better faceoff guy and one of the best defensive players in the game. Nieuwendyk is already a decent 2-way guy, but Rod is better, and that says a lot.

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Rod Brind'amour is the better faceoff guy and one of the best defensive players in the game. Nieuwendyk is already a decent 2-way guy, but Rod is better, and that says a lot.
Nieuwendyk in his prime was every bit the two-way player that Brind-Amour was. And if you think that Brind'amour is better in the faceoff circle, check the numbers.

Nieuwendyk has 200 more goals, a Calder, a Conn Smythe, two 50-goal seasons, two more Cup rings, and will go into the HHOF miles ahead of Brind'amour.

Personally I don't think Brind'amour is a HHOF guy at all.

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I'm a Rod fanboy. I loves the Rod

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Nieuwendyk will get in, but not on the first ballot. Playoffs matter. And in the playoffs, Nieuwendyk was a star. You can count on two hands the number of guys with a ring from three different teams. Nieuwendyk was one of them. He's one of the best of his generation within five feet of the net. He'll go down as one of the best puck-tippers ever.

And he was far from a one-dimensional threat. Need a big goal? He'll score it. Need a timely play? He'll make it. Those puck-tipping hands? He was one of the top five faceoff guys in the league for years. (Better on the draw than Brind'Amour). Not the best defensive player in the league, not likely ever in the top 10, but he was strong defensively. And in the locker room? Nieuwendyk didn't play for New Jersey in the 2003 Stanley Cup final, but ask that NJ team, a team filled with locker room leaders, about Nieuwendyk's contributions that year, and you'll hear about a key leader.

Nieuwendyk will get in, likely in his fifth or sixth attempt.

As for Brind'Amour: he was a prototype for the second line centres for many years. He's been a heck of a player for many years, but the prototypical second line centre isn't a plank I'd want when gunning for the HHOF.

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Most likely not on the first try, especially since he should be retiring in the next year or two (many other great players will be going at the same time).

He should get it on the second try, at worst on his third try. He's been so good and more importantly so consistent since the late 80s; he deserves it.

He has represented the Big Red very, very well over the years.

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Nieuwendyk in his prime was every bit the two-way player that Brind-Amour was. And if you think that Brind'amour is better in the faceoff circle, check the numbers.

Nieuwendyk has 200 more goals, a Calder, a Conn Smythe, two 50-goal seasons, two more Cup rings, and will go into the HHOF miles ahead of Brind'amour.

Personally I don't think Brind'amour is a HHOF guy at all.
I have to agree with this..I like Rod but Nieuwendyk has better credentials..

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Nieuwendyk is one of the TOP 10 Players to ever play the game, of course he gets in.
No he isn't. Not even remotely, remotely close. Not even in the same solar system.

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Nieuwendyk is one of the TOP 10 Players to ever play the game, of course he gets in.
Are you serious?

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LOL, top 10 players ever? Yeah right...

Nieuwendyk will make it in, I'm sure. But not on the first ballot. Especially when you consider that this will be his last season. He won't be eligible until 2009, and by then they could still be clearing out the logjam that all the lockout retirements created.

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Not a first ballot but going in Hall for sure.
my thoughts exactly

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Nah, he was never the best, and only the best should be first ballot.
Calder = was best rookie
Conn Smythe = was best playoff performer

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LOL, top 10 players ever? Yeah right...

Nieuwendyk will make it in, I'm sure. But not on the first ballot. Especially when you consider that this will be his last season. He won't be eligible until 2009, and by then they could still be clearing out the logjam that all the lockout retirements created.
Actually, Nieuwendyk won't be eligible until 2010.

The logjam from the lockout should be cleared up by 2008. Messier, Francis, MacInnis and Stevens will be inducted in 2007. Oates and Claude Lemieux are the only other 2007 first-time candidates with a shot at induction.

Oates will likely be part of the class of 2008. Lemieux will likely require a lengthy wait and debate, not likely as long as Dick Duff's. And that's not to stay Lemieux will get in the HHOF. Igor Larionov retired after the 2003-04 season, but he played a couple games last season and now must also wait for 2009.

The class of 2009 will be headlined by Yzerman, with Hull (who has to wait until 09 because he played a few games last season) also a sure-fire bet. Luc Robitaille will likely get in 2009, too. If Leetch retires before playing a game this season, he will be eligible in 2009, too. Larionov will get in at some point, due to his three rings and ultra-classy demeanour.

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Calder = was best rookie
Conn Smythe = was best playoff performer

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Best rookie means **** all. Conn Smythe, while an achievement worthy of the Hall doesn't make him the best player of his day. One, that was a year where there were many good candidates, no great ones. two, are you saying J.S. Gigure is a first ballot hall of famer?

At no point in his career was Nieuwendyk one of the top 5 centers in the game.

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He will make the HOF but not first ballot.

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Actually, Nieuwendyk won't be eligible until 2010.

The logjam from the lockout should be cleared up by 2008. Messier, Francis, MacInnis and Stevens will be inducted in 2007. Oates and Claude Lemieux are the only other 2007 first-time candidates with a shot at induction.

Oates will likely be part of the class of 2008. Lemieux will likely require a lengthy wait and debate, not likely as long as Dick Duff's. And that's not to stay Lemieux will get in the HHOF. Igor Larionov retired after the 2003-04 season, but he played a couple games last season and now must also wait for 2009.

The class of 2009 will be headlined by Yzerman, with Hull (who has to wait until 09 because he played a few games last season) also a sure-fire bet. Luc Robitaille will likely get in 2009, too. If Leetch retires before playing a game this season, he will be eligible in 2009, too. Larionov will get in at some point, due to his three rings and ultra-classy demeanour.
2010 could very will include Sakic, Mogilny, Chelios, JR, Cujo, Belfour, and Lindros as notables.

I donno how the selection works but Sakic and Chelios would be locks. After those 2 Nieuwendyk could possibly be in. How many players are selected in each year?

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