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11-19-2003, 02:51 PM
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CH vs. Flames - November 20th, 2003

The CH, coming off a four goal outbust in a 5-4 Overtime loss to the Canucks on Tuesday night, will jog over to Calgary as they take on the Flames. This Calgary team is not lacking in offensive talents. With Jarome Iginla starting to "heat" up, and the emergence of rookie forward Matt Lombardi, the Habs defence, particularily big #44, will have their hands full. The Habs first line, consisting of Richard Zednik, Saku Koivu, and Mike Ryder, would combine for eight points in their last game, and will surely be the centre of attention for Coach Sutter. Expect the Habs to come out hard, and we would like to think that Coach Julien will reinsert both Ron Hainsey and Marcel Hossa. With Yanic Perreault sitting out Tuesday's contest, he could very well be joined on Thursday by Donald Audette, Frank Bouillon, or Niklas Sundstrom. Go get 'em Habs.

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Time : 9:00 PM EST
Location : Saddledome, Calgary Alberta
TV : RDS
Radio : CJAD, CKAC, Team 990 (postgame)

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TBD versus Miika Kiprusoff

CH Line-Up

#20 Richard Zednik - #11 Saku Koivu - #73 Mike Ryder
#94 Yanic Perreault - #71 Mike Ribeiro - #82 Donald Audette
#25/#38/#37 - #90 Joe Juneau - #24 Andreas Dackell
#15 Darren Langdon - #22 Steve Begin - #37 Niklas Sundstrom

#79 Andrei Markov - #43 Patrice Brisebois
#44 Sheldon Souray - #05 Stephane Quintal
#51 Frank Bouillon (BOOO!) - #52 Craig Rivet

Flames Line-Up

McAmmond-Reinprecht-Iginla
Saprykin-Lombardi-Clark
Gelinas-Conroy-Donovan
Oliwa-Betts-Kobasew

Regehr-Leopold
Lydman-Ference
Gauthier-Warrener


Probable CH Scratches

Circle One - #65 Ron Hainsey/#51 Frank Bouillon, #37 Niklas Sundstrom/#94 Yanic Perreault, #82 Don Audette/#81 Marcel Hossa

Probable Flames Scratches

TBD

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Habs Game Thoughts
  • After Michael Ryder tasted some success on the Habs' top line (the young Bonavista native had 3 points versus Vancouver on Tuesday), will Claude Julien give his two other youngsters, Marcel Hossa and Ron Hainsey, both of whom are talented than the loveable Ryder, a chance to shine, too?
  • Who will be in net for the Habs? Will we see Jose Theodore, the man who has faced in excess of 80 shots over the past two games, or will it be Mathieu Garon,the talented, quiet backup?
  • With Yanic "Panic" Perreault sitting out his third game in the past two weeks, will we see more veterans viewing the game from the stands? The Flames certainly hope so. The deep pockets of Audette and Perreault could do wonders for Calgary's concession sales.
  • After being promoted to Mike Ribeiro's wing, are Jan Bulis and the Habs scrapping their defensive trio? Or will we see Chad Kilger, the closest thing the Habs have to Bulis, go up against the Iginla(or is that the Lombardi line?) line with penalty killing specialists Joe Juneau and Andreas Dackell?
  • Speaking of special teams, the Habs have been atrocius in that department. The powerplay has to get going, and with Calgary being a fair step below Vancouver, tonight's the night to get the man-advantage working.

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11-19-2003, 03:23 PM
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I like the first line, with Ryder, we have two natural snipers and an excellent playmaker, mixed with speed and thoughness.

I have a question ; Does Gratton ever play as a winger?
If yes I think he would look pretty good on the third or fourth line.

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Flames have to key on Koivu's line, and Ribeiro is due for a breakout night. Audette does his sitting in the press box as opposed to the penalty box.

Another fast paced game with Habs coming out on top 3-2.

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Let's hope Claudette sits... wasn't he the guy who took a couple od dumb penalties vs the Nucks? Hossa should play!

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Hopefully another big night for the Ryder-Koivu-Zednik line.....
Prediction:Habs win 4-2

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Hopefully another big night for the Ryder-Koivu-Zednik line.....
Prediction:Habs win 4-2
I would expect the lines to be pretty much the same. Aside, from audette getting scratched. That 4 minute penalty cost us the game or should I say a point. I fell asleep and woke only for the start of the third period. Was there blood or not after that high stick?

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I would expect the lines to be pretty much the same. Aside, from audette getting scratched. That 4 minute penalty cost us the game or should I say a point. I fell asleep and woke only for the start of the third period. Was there blood or not after that high stick?
I can't see Kilger staying in the top 6 after his horrid performance in Vancouver. Hopefull we'll see Bulis and Hossa with Ribs, but I have a feeling we'll see Perrault tonight.

3-1 Habs

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I can't see Kilger staying in the top 6 after his horrid performance in Vancouver. Hopefull we'll see Bulis and Hossa with Ribs, but I have a feeling we'll see Perrault tonight.

3-1 Habs
Perhaps. Honestly, i'd like to see Hossa in the lineup and Audette in the stands. I'd keep kilger in the lineup. We need his size.

I'd also scratch landgon for this one. Thus, giving a chance to Perreault.


My Lines

Micheal Ryder - Saku Koivu - Richard Zednik

Jan Bulis - Mike Ribeiro - Marcel Hossa or YP

Niklas Sundstrom - Joe Juneau - Andreas Dackell

Yanic Perreault or MH - Steve Bégin - Chad Kilger

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I have a feeling Garon will be in net tonight and the habs powered by another big night by the top line will wim.

Habs-4 Flames-1

GO HABS GO!!!!!

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Perhaps. Honestly, i'd like to see Hossa in the lineup and Audette in the stands. I'd keep kilger in the lineup. We need his size.

I'd also scratch landgon for this one. Thus, giving a chance to Perreault.


My Lines

Micheal Ryder - Saku Koivu - Richard Zednik

Jan Bulis - Mike Ribeiro - Marcel Hossa or YP

Niklas Sundstrom - Joe Juneau - Andreas Dackell

Yanic Perreault or MH - Steve Bégin - Chad Kilger

langdon will be in the lineup tonight just cause the habs are playing the toughest team in the league

i think the kids will be in the lineup and the 7 million sisters will sit it out

habs can win 4 - 1 if they score first and i think a foreward is gonna get hurt tonight by that evil d for the flames

again if the habs don't score first they will lose (it's the trend)

again the thread; beautiful; nice job jl.roberts

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In case anyone didn't notice, Ryder was a team leading +3 (that's 2 above anyone else) vs. the Canucks.


I think the line Koivu was hoping for (and truthfully most of us too) has finally been put together, and the addition of Ryder has truly given Zednik (and Koivu) a real kick in the pants.

That line will combine for at least 2 goals.

I'm going to predict a 4-2 fast-flowing win for the Habs.

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If montreal plays with the same intensity tonight than what they did vs the canuks, mtl should be able to get two pionts. They need the same type of play thow. Hopefully mtl gets some pp goals cause this is what this game is going to come two, specials teams. Mtl has the edge in goaltinting. All they need is two keep calgary's first line from scoring and they should be fine.

My predictions 6-2mtl, Ryder will get his first hat-trick

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Although its still about 8 hours before the drop of the puck, it sounds like the Flames will be without the services of Yelle once again. He missed the Flames last game with a sore back. Gelinas could be back in the line-up for the Flames, after missing the last two games with a sprained ankle. And, of course, Turek is sidelided until Mid-January with a torn MCL.

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It is not by chance that Saprykin was working the Leafs into fits. He was appartently told before the Leafs game, "If by 10 minutes into the first period they don't all hate you, you are not doing your job," by asst coach Jim Playfair. The Habs should take note of this and lull Saprykin to sleep, and let him coast around the ice like he does most nights, rather than getting him into the action by hitting him.

After watching the Flames beat the Leafs in thier last game, I would say the Flames were fortunate to get the victory. If (pray to the hockey gods) the Habs can net the chances the Flames WILL give them throughout the course of the game, the end result should be a Habs win.

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4-1 for HABS, Ribeiro 1, Pereault 1 and Koivu 2

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Although its still about 8 hours before the drop of the puck, it sounds like the Flames will be without the services of Yelle once again. He missed the Flames last game with a sore back. Gelinas could be back in the line-up for the Flames, after missing the last two games with a sprained ankle. And, of course, Turek is sidelided until Mid-January with a torn MCL.

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It is not by chance that Saprykin was working the Leafs into fits. He was appartently told before the Leafs game, "If by 10 minutes into the first period they don't all hate you, you are not doing your job," by asst coach Jim Playfair. The Habs should take note of this and lull Saprykin to sleep, and let him coast around the ice like he does most nights, rather than getting him into the action by hitting him.

After watching the Flames beat the Leafs in thier last game, I would say the Flames were fortunate to get the victory. If (pray to the hockey gods) the Habs can net the chances the Flames WILL give them throughout the course of the game, the end result should be a Habs win.
The Flames have been the tightest team this season. The DO NOT give you chances. They lead the NHL in shots agains and it is their AWFUL goaltendign that costs them most games.
The Flames outplayed the Leafs by a fair margin, not sure what game you were watching.
The Habs, with their small forwards will be lucky to register 20 shots on net, which is not bad considering that the Flames usually allow less than that.

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Well I'm going to tonight's game. Should be fun considering both teams just came off of very good performances. But after emotional victories like the one the Flames had against the Leafs, they usually fall back to earth. I know, I watch them. We have the edge with goaltending and scoring (!?). Our top line is hotter than theirs. It's their 2nd line (McAmmond-Reinprecht-Lombardi) that's on fire. Nevertheless, Calgary is perhaps the worst scoring team at home this season. They've been shut out 3 times already. And another time on the road I believe.
We'll win, god I hope so. Final score: 5-2 (Koivu; 1g-2a, Ryder; 2g-1a, Ribeiro; 2a, Zednik; 1g-2a, Souray; 1g).

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Well I'm going to tonight's game. Should be fun considering both teams just came off of very good performances. But after emotional victories like the one the Flames had against the Leafs, they usually fall back to earth. I know, I watch them. We have the edge with goaltending and scoring (!?). Our top line is hotter than theirs. It's their 2nd line (McAmmond-Reinprecht-Lombardi) that's on fire. Nevertheless, Calgary is perhaps the worst scoring team at home this season. They've been shut out 3 times already. And another time on the road I believe.
We'll win, god I hope so. Final score: 5-2 (Koivu; 1g-2a, Ryder; 2g-1a, Ribeiro; 2a, Zednik; 1g-2a, Souray; 1g).
Reinprecht and Iginla play on the top line. They had a combined 6 points against the Leafs. The Flames victory over the Leafs was not as emotional as you make it sound. They outplayed the Leafs all game. Toronto had no more than 3 scoring chances all night, but with a sieve in net they got 2 goals.
The Flames are yet to put 2 wins in a row so if the trend continues the Habs can win this one.
The Flames will manhandle the Habs and if the goaltending is there they will get the 2 points. Kiprussoff may play in his first nhl game this season. He will be rusty so that makes it that much better for the Habs.

I predict a close Flames win, possibly in OT.

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The Flames have been the tightest team this season. The DO NOT give you chances. They lead the NHL in shots agains and it is their AWFUL goaltendign that costs them most games.
The Flames outplayed the Leafs by a fair margin, not sure what game you were watching.
The Flames may not allow a lot of good scoring chances from in tight, but they do leave good shooting lanes open on the rush. And your right, their goaltending lets them down there. Also, please keep in mind that shots that ring off the post, do not count as a shot on net. The Leafs lost the game by a matter of inches, twice.

Calgary also struggles to get shots, so if you take away these 3 shots below, that were really more just dumping the puck in, the shots were 23-17 for Calgary. Its not like they were really throwing on the pressure, they were playing nicely along the boards, but not getting much out of it.

SHOT CGY EV 10 LOWRY, Wrist, 52 ft
SHOT CGY SH 44 WARRENER, Wrist, 101 ft
SHOT CGY EV 32 LYDMAN, Wrist, 80 ft

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3-2 Habs, from another fast paced and physical game like the one in Vancouver the other night. And I will be cheering my little heart out in the stands tonight. Whoo hoo, go Habs go!!

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langdon will be in the lineup tonight just cause the habs are playing the toughest team in the league

i think the kids will be in the lineup and the 7 million sisters will sit it out

habs can win 4 - 1 if they score first and i think a foreward is gonna get hurt tonight by that evil d for the flames

again if the habs don't score first they will lose (it's the trend)

again the thread; beautiful; nice job jl.roberts

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The flames are the toughest team of the league? You're probably refering to the system that sutter has implanted coz aside from Oliwa and Gauthier I just don't see that tough side.

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Reinprecht and Iginla play on the top line. They had a combined 6 points against the Leafs. The Flames victory over the Leafs was not as emotional as you make it sound. They outplayed the Leafs all game. Toronto had no more than 3 scoring chances all night, but with a sieve in net they got 2 goals.
The Flames are yet to put 2 wins in a row so if the trend continues the Habs can win this one.
The Flames will manhandle the Habs and if the goaltending is there they will get the 2 points. Kiprussoff may play in his first nhl game this season. He will be rusty so that makes it that much better for the Habs.

I predict a close Flames win, possibly in OT.
The flames will manhandle the habs? With what are they going to do that? This game is a must win for the habs and honestly it's a game they should win.

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Oops, I don't keep of Cgy stats so well. But although we can't underestimate them let's get one thing clear; this is a winable game and the Flames are even more streaky than us. If Kiprusoff is in, we need to play like we did against a sieve named Cloutier. We got 4 past him, we can get 6 past Kiprusoff. Then again, once he gives up at least 3 Sutter will give 'em the hook; his trademark this year but it never works because he's got no goaltending (Sabourin, McLennan, Kiprusoff, Turek sucks but he's out anyway and Krahn in the minors). Meanwhile, we don't pull goalies easily. I think we'll take this one but it could be close than you think, although I stick by my 5-2 predicition.

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5-4 Flames OT ...
good game by Bulis and Koivu ...
Markov scoring his 2nd goal in 2 games..

Zednik took some dumb penalty just like Rivet

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Our top line is hotter than theirs. It's their 2nd line (McAmmond-Reinprecht-Lombardi) that's on fire.
No need to make stuff up. Your fictional line doesn't contain a RW. Calgary's lines against the Leafs were...

McAmmond-Reinprecht-Iginla (had 7 points against Leafs)
Saprykin-Lombardi-Clark
Lowry-Conroy-Donovan
Oliwa-Betts-Kobasew

Sounds like Yelle is still out while Gelinas is probable for tonight's game. I'd suspect Lowry would be the designated sitter so lines like these are quite likely for the Flames...

McAmmond-Reinprecht-Iginla
Saprykin-Lombardi-Clark
Gelinas-Conroy-Donovan
Oliwa-Betts-Kobasew

Unless someone on the defense is injured we will likely go with the usual pairings...

Regehr-Leopold
Lydman-Ference
Gauthier-Warrener

Kiprusoff will be starting according to several reports.

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Well Iginla is gonna have fun against our 3rd pairing Bouillon / Rivet .

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