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11-21-2003, 04:13 PM
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Best PK Unit In The League?

Who do you think? You can say just the forwards or the full unit.

I would say either Kris Draper-Kirk Maltby, or John Madden-Jay Pandolfo.

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11-21-2003, 04:17 PM
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Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
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Who do you think? You can say just the forwards or the full unit.

I would say either Kris Draper-Kirk Maltby, or John Madden-Jay Pandolfo.
The thing is, Draper and Maltby look all well and good but Detroit doesn't exactly have a dominant PK. Maybe they can't offset the D and goalie play? I just think the two best forwards would be able to make a PK unit great.

I think NJ's first unit is amongst the best.

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the entire NJ team. their PKer's, with that trap all they do is stop goals like a PK unit. the detroit 1 is good. but i like our's.

sorry, something people who read my post's should know, im a MASSIVE hater of NJD for no reason, but i respect Stevens and brodeur, but their trap is killing hockey.

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Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
Stevens - Rafalski
Very rarely do teams play 3 forwards and 2 D on the penalty kill.



Langenbrunner usually plays second-kill with Elias, doesn't he?

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Very rarely do teams play 3 forwards and 2 D on the penalty kill.
I think we've figured out their secret. The Preds have tried the 5 man on the PK theory, but we always get called for it

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the entire NJ team. their PKer's, with that trap all they do is stop goals like a PK unit. the detroit 1 is good. but i like our's.

sorry, something people who read my post's should know, im a MASSIVE hater of NJD for no reason, but i respect Stevens and brodeur, but their trap is killing hockey.
Devils have like the fourth most average shots per game shots in the NHL right now and like the 12th most gpg.

That game they had versus the sabres a few nights ago, sure wasnt boring up until they stoped trying ...

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The answer is simple.. Who is the best goaltender in the league? Martin Brodeur. Your best penalty killer is always your goaltender.

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The answer is simple.. Who is the best goaltender in the league? Martin Brodeur. Your best penalty killer is always your goaltender.
Never asked for goalie. Just want the 4 man or 2 man unit.

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Never asked for goalie. Just want the 4 man or 2 man unit.
It is unreasonable to talk about a penalty kill without the goalie.

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It is unreasonable to talk about a penalty kill without the goalie.
I think the unit itself has a lot more to do with the success than the goalie. Goalies don't stop great PP's who are running amuck against a PK. Only time goalies stop those PP's is when the puck hits them.

Obviously, you can't have a softie in there but I think you could put several goalies behind NJ's PK and see very similar success.

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I think the unit itself has a lot more to do with the success than the goalie. Goalies don't stop great PP's who are running amuck against a PK. Only time goalies stop those PP's is when the puck hits them.

Obviously, you can't have a softie in there but I think you could put several goalies behind NJ's PK and see very similar success.
And vice versa. If you put Brodeur behind a few mediocre PK's you would see a huge increase.

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And vice versa. If you put Brodeur behind a few mediocre PK's you would see a huge increase.

I don't agree. I think you put Brodeur behind the Preds on a bad night and he gets lit up like every goalie. You just don't save the shots bad PK's allow. You can only save so many cross ice one timers before your luck runs out.

You let the other PP set up and give them lanes, it's no dice. All you can do is hope the puck finds you and you can cover.

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I dont know what their PK unit is is but NY isles PK is really active..and that blake guy is always good for a shorty.

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IMO, NJ's first unit is the best in the league.

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What ever team is best in the league in PK is the best, NJ is currently 2nd best.
Not if you factor in injuries, defensemen, schedule and other units.

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Certainly not the best, but a big reason why Colorado's PK is drastically improved this year:

Nikolishin - Konowalchuk
Foote - Blake

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this year Detroit's grind line hasn't been that great, off and on.

Jersey's is tops in the league.

Grind line has been the most consistant over the years though.

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I don't agree. I think you put Brodeur behind the Preds on a bad night and he gets lit up like every goalie. You just don't save the shots bad PK's allow. You can only save so many cross ice one timers before your luck runs out.

You let the other PP set up and give them lanes, it's no dice. All you can do is hope the puck finds you and you can cover.
Just want to make sure: is this yet another misguided suggestion that a GREAT goalie (in this case Brodeur) is simply the product of his team? Hoping that is just misunderstanding on this reader's part.

The Devils (including their PK) would not be the Devils with Tomas Vokoun in net, be sure.

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Peca and Bates have been among the best PK duos in the league over the last three seasons.

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My guess would be the Devils, especially if you take netminders into account as well. The Wings should form quite a good one as well with their grindline as great PK'ers and then add Lidstrom/Hatcher on D. The Avs PK has been solid this season, not sure who the exact PK'ers were though.

The Stars have a ton of options, mostly due to the fact that nearly every forward and defenseman is defensively responsible.

Morrow/DiMaio/Barnes - Modano
Boucher - Matvichuk

Lehtinen - Kapanen
Zubov - Numminen

Impressive on paper, but the opposite on the ice right now.

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Just want to make sure: is this yet another misguided suggestion that a GREAT goalie (in this case Brodeur) is simply the product of his team? Hoping that is just misunderstanding on this reader's part.

The Devils (including their PK) would not be the Devils with Tomas Vokoun in net, be sure.

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Peca and Bates have been among the best PK duos in the league over the last three seasons.

No, I don't think it's another one of those misguided assumptions. Spare me of your thinly veiled attack. I think some people here overvalue goalies. I don't think a good goalie can save a bad PK, which was my original point. There has never been a goalie good enough to stop a pathetic PK against a great PP. We've seen streaks were some goalies did, but they were just that 'streaks' where the puck bounced in their favor. My words are no more misguided than those of people who think you could throw Broduer on a bad PK and make them good.

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Philly's PK is leading the league in PK percentage now.

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The answer is simple.. Who is the best goaltender in the league? Martin Brodeur. Your best penalty killer is always your goaltender.
the goaltender controls only the save and the rebound. the PK'ers control the quality, angle, visibility, deflections, position, and passing lanes on the shot. the actual PK unit has more to do with the kill than the goaltender.

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Philly's PK is leading the league in PK percentage now.

Isle's are leading the league now. Philly gave up one last game. Philly is 2nd, NJ is tied for 3rd with Tampa.



Philly definitely deserves mention in this thread. The forwards they can put out on the PK are probably the best *group* of PK forwards in the league (Primeau, Handzus, Williams are amongst the best PK forwards in the league). The D lacks a real crease clearer though. But you can't argue with success.

The Isle's I've only seen about 3 times this year so I'll refrain from comment, but again, hard to argue with the numbers.

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Madden and Pandolfo as forwards scare me. I'd say New Jersey has the most effective PK, not to mention they will rack up their share of shorties this year.

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