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11-22-2003, 11:39 AM
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This is such a joke....

When healthy there is not doubt Detroit's is the best...

Lidstrom....Norris Machine best in the Game
Hatcher...Will one day be "Stevens" Legendary
Schnieder...Rough Tough, offensive D-man
Chelios....A beast...extremely effective still with his fewer minutes

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11-22-2003, 11:43 AM
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^no question the Canucks have the best offensive defense right now
Canucks Leaders
Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM ATOI PPG PPA SHG SHA SOG SPCT

E. Jovanovski, D 19 5 9 14 7 39 23:50 1 4 0 0 59 8.5
M. Ohlund, D 20 4 7 11 5 31 23:59 1 2 0 0 24 16.7
Brent Sopel, D 18 1 8 9 1 8 19:33 1 2 0 0 38 2.6
Sami Salo, D 20 4 3 7 3 8 22:12 3 3 0 0 35 11.4
Marek Malik, D 19 1 5 6 8 14 18:23 0 0 0 0 8 12.5
Jiri Slegr, D 8 2 1 3 3 2 13:15 1 0 1 0 8 25.0
Bryan Allen, D 16 1 0 1 2 24 15:58 0 0 0 0 11 9.1

=51 points from the Vancouver blue line

 
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11-22-2003, 11:44 AM
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This is such a joke....

When healthy there is not doubt Detroit's is the best...

Lidstrom....Norris Machine best in the Game
Hatcher...Will one day be "Stevens" Legendary
Schnieder...Rough Tough, offensive D-man
Chelios....A beast...extremely effective still with his fewer minutes
The sad part is that you didn't even list their number three defenseman.

Jiri Fischer > Chris Chelios

Jiri Fischer > Mathieu Schneider

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11-22-2003, 11:46 AM
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I'll have to jump on the Islander's band wagon for best blueline.

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11-22-2003, 11:55 AM
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So, which team has the best blueline in the NHL and why? Please note:

When I say blueline, I do not mean team defense, goaltending, or defense in general. I mean the personel & performance of a teams' defensemen from #1 to #6/7.
David Hale and Paul Martin haven't hurt the Devils' chances of winning games at all so far as the #5 and #6 men in. Both of them are integrating quite well into NJ's system with Burns' and Laperriere's tutelage. They don't yet have the offense and +/- that J. Pitkanen brings to the Flyers, but they are improving with every game for the most part and haven't been significant steps down from what Daneyko, Albelin, Smehlik, and Tverdovsky provided.

In no particular order:
Philadelphia
New Jersey
Vancouver
Tampa Bay

Not enough has been said about how well Tampa's D has played this year imo.

 
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11-22-2003, 12:00 PM
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In terms of "best blueline" of players 1 through 6, I'm going to have to say it's the New York Islanders:

Hamrlik, Niinimaa, Aucoin, Jonsson, Martinek and Cairns...That is rock solid
I agree

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11-22-2003, 12:12 PM
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Some of you guys are giving the Isles defence way too much credit. The top 4 is good, but it doesn't outshine IMO, the top 4 of other teams such as New Jersey, Detroit, Philly or Ottawa for that matter. We could argue back and forth each individual within the top 4 of all these teams about who is better 5-5, on the PP or any other angle we could look from. But the Isles top 4 aren't any better then the teams mentioned above. Martinek and Cairns are marginal at best to round out their top 6. How much playing time did they get in the Ottawa series each game??? That just may have been Laviolette's call, but I remember when Cairns came onto the ice he was going right over to the penalty box it seemed and Martinek, well, I can't even remember him doing anything at all, that's how useless he was. I'm sorry, but when your #5 and #6 guy play 2-3 minutes in a playoff game, something's wrong!!!
I don't feel Janne Niinimaa and Kenny Jonsson have played as well as they can this season by any means. Niinimaa hasn't been a contributor on the PP at all for the most part outside of a single assist. Offensively he's not been providing the Isles with the production I'm sure Milbury envisioned when he grabbed him at last years trade deadline. The D seems to drop off a good bit once you get past the top 4 also.

 
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11-22-2003, 12:27 PM
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Here's me being a homer, but I think the Flames deserve some accolades.

Holding the opponents to the lowest shot per game average in the NHL is something to boast about. Their offense isn't very good though, but it's coming. Lydman, Leopold, and Ference all have it in them. They also have a real physical side in Montador, Gauthier, Warrener, and Regehr, so I think they're playing pretty well. It's not their fault our goalies suck!

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11-22-2003, 12:53 PM
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As a unit, I'd say New Jersey.

Stevens
Niedermayer
Rafalski
White

Those core guys bring everything you need to a blueline. Speed, size, skill, grit, experience, winning attitude. I look at the New Jersey teams over the years and their forwards never impressed me the way their blueline does. The team is always changing, but those guys (and Brodeur) stay the same. You know you;re good when you can't find use for Oleg Tverdovsky.
NO ONE had a use for Tverdovsky.

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11-22-2003, 01:01 PM
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Detroit blueline for experience..

Ottawa blueline for potential...Redden, Chara, Rachunek, Phillips is just solid for a top four not to mention that they are all 26 or under.

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NO ONE had a use for Tverdovsky.
Well they should. He's not a bad defenseman at all.

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I don't feel Janne Niinimaa and Kenny Jonsson have played as well as they can this season by any means. Niinimaa hasn't been a contributor on the PP at all for the most part outside of a single assist. Offensively he's not been providing the Isles with the production I'm sure Milbury envisioned when he grabbed him at last years trade deadline. The D seems to drop off a good bit once you get past the top 4 also.
Niinimaa, maybe not as well as he could, because he's the Islander's #4 defenseman right now. He could use a bit more ice time, but Hamrlik, Jonsson, and Aucoin have been so good, he's been stuck playing with Cairns.

Jonsson however, has been superb. He was one of the Islanders' top three stars of the night in a few games based on his defensive play alone (I don't even think he got any points in those games). He's definitely having a very good season.

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11-22-2003, 01:41 PM
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Here's me being a homer, but I think the Flames deserve some accolades.

Holding the opponents to the lowest shot per game average in the NHL is something to boast about. Their offense isn't very good though, but it's coming. Lydman, Leopold, and Ference all have it in them. They also have a real physical side in Montador, Gauthier, Warrener, and Regehr, so I think they're playing pretty well. It's not their fault our goalies suck!
Hmm, I forgot about Calgary's defense corps. It isn't too shabby.

That's two things Zoidberg and I agree on.

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I vote for St. Louis. They have the best defense in the league at the moment. Even with the injuries, they are still tops in the league defensively.

In terms of offensive defense, I'd say Vancouver is right up there.

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Hatcher...Will one day be "Stevens" Legendary
Hatcher will never be "Stevens" legendary as Hatcher will never be the offensive defensemen that Stevens was in the first half of his career.

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As far as bluelines go I always felt(even before the season when Detroit was healthy) that Ottawa had the best blueline; Chara, Redden, Phillips, Rachunek, Leschyshyn, Volchenkov with good extras like Hnidy and Pothier. They are young, fast, physical, great defensively and willing to contribute on offense.

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This is such a joke....

When healthy there is not doubt Detroit's is the best...

Lidstrom....Norris Machine best in the Game
Hatcher...Will one day be "Stevens" Legendary
Schnieder...Rough Tough, offensive D-man
Chelios....A beast...extremely effective still with his fewer minutes
Chelois and Schneider are useless, its all about Lidstrom keeping that team together defensively.

Look what happens when Lidstrom has a bad run, bam 5 game losing streak.

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11-22-2003, 03:45 PM
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Blackhawks:

Berard-Karpovtsev
McCarthy-Dempsey
Robidas-Poapst/Quint

Egads, can it possibly be any worse?

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What??
Canucks Blueline is very young too, with avg age of 26/27!! The best offensive blue line right now, above avg defensive ability, one of the most mobile D in the NHL, young, and with huge Size!! Jovonovski is the SMALLEST D there on the canucks team!!

But right now, as much as i love canucks D, NJ D is stil the best right now overall!! There is no doubt, but Canucks isnt far behind.

DET is way overated.. ya, there is no doubt Lidstrom is the best D in the NHL right now, or top 2. But the rest of the Det line is just avg, Chelios is what? 40? 41? Hatcher is down. Fischer is not there yet. Dangenaut is avg. Also, I think Det forwards are so responsible defensively, they inflated their Dmen's stat IMO.

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I'd have to say:

Defensively: New Jersey

Offensively: Vancouver

Overall: NYI

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DET is way overated.. ya, there is no doubt Lidstrom is the best D in the NHL right now, or top 2. But the rest of the Det line is just avg. Fischer is not there yet.
You have not seen Jiri Fischer play this year if you honestly think that.

He'd be Vancouver's number three defenseman.

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What??
Canucks Blueline is very young too, with avg age of 26/27!! The best offensive blue line right now, above avg defensive ability, one of the most mobile D in the NHL, young, and with huge Size!! Jovonovski is the SMALLEST D there on the canucks team!!

But right now, as much as i love canucks D, NJ D is stil the best right now overall!! There is no doubt, but Canucks isnt far behind.

DET is way overated.. ya, there is no doubt Lidstrom is the best D in the NHL right now, or top 2. But the rest of the Det line is just avg, Chelios is what? 40? 41? Hatcher is down. Fischer is not there yet. Dangenaut is avg. Also, I think Det forwards are so responsible defensively, they inflated their Dmen's stat IMO.
Detroits still rules when healthy. but the nucks is doing great thing right now, possibly the greatest pairing in the NHL, jovo and ohlund. i got them on my fantasy league.

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Blackhawks:

Berard-Karpovtsev
McCarthy-Dempsey
Robidas-Poapst/Quint

Egads, can it possibly be any worse?
Tarnstrom - Orpik
Melichar - Berehowsky
Bergevin - Focht

Yuck.

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Tarnstrom - Orpik
Melichar - Berehowsky
Bergevin - Focht

Yuck.
oohh yeh, true, berehowsky and tarnstrom are offensive as well. a good mix of washed up talent adn AHL prospects.

malone tho, his been good.

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It's funny how things have turned out. Many of us thought that the Wings had the best NHL.. maybe ever.. and many nights they've looked more like the Detroit Vipers of the 'ol IHL than the Red Wings. With Hatcher injured for so long, that is such a huge hit, but they've been so dissapointing on their blueline in general, it just goes to show that 'on paper' often has as much meaning as, 'the latest Larry Brooks rumour'.

So, which team has the best blueline in the NHL and why? Please note:

When I say blueline, I do not mean team defense, goaltending, or defense in general. I mean the personel & performance of a teams' defensemen from #1 to #6/7.
Some of us thought for ourselves and didn't listen to the media drivel about the Wings defense being the best ever like wing nuts wanted to believe. Just watch the games not the names. Fischer's been inconsistant,Chelios has been a pylon the last two years, Dandenault is well Dandenault, Lidstrom is Lidstrom even though I feel Jovo and Pronger are better right now.

as for the best blue line i'd say the Canucks or Devils.

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