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10-17-2006, 10:46 PM
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Thomas Pck

the Austrian guy here annoying the hell out of me got me thinking, if Pck doesn't get into 61 more games this season, he'll become a Group VI free agent. now would it be in the best interest of the team to send Dawes down, let him play more minutes in Hartford, and have Pck serve as a forward when he's not playing defense? losing Pck would be far from the end of the world, but I'd obviously much rather it not happen. also, I've never seen Pck play forward, so I cannot comment on his effectiveness there.

also, it would save cap space (not a huge issue, but hey) and have another defenseman in the lineup in case of an in-game injury.

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10-17-2006, 11:04 PM
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if they don't think pock is good enough to play defense than who gives a crap if he becomes a ufa or not. are we supposed to be worried about him leaving and someone 'less talented' sitting in the pressbox??

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10-17-2006, 11:07 PM
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if they don't think pock is good enough to play defense than who gives a crap if he becomes a ufa or not. are we supposed to be worried about him leaving and someone 'less talented' sitting in the pressbox??
because:

a) 7th defensemen aren't valuable at all, because defensemen are immune to injury and
b) it's not possible for players over the age of 23 to improve?

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10-17-2006, 11:10 PM
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Didn't he used to play forward before he played in college? I think I remember reading that somewhere a long time ago...

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10-17-2006, 11:13 PM
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Didn't he used to play forward before he played in college? I think I remember reading that somewhere a long time ago...
yeah, I believe he played forward for the first two years of college, and d for the last 2

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10-17-2006, 11:18 PM
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yeah, I believe he played forward for the first two years of college, and d for the last 2
That sounds right, yea. Maybe try him on the 3rd line one game, instead of Dawes/Orr. That might be a good line even, Pock-Betts-Hall. Just a thought.

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10-17-2006, 11:18 PM
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they definetly need to get him in action. Thats why we should trade Rozsival away!

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10-18-2006, 05:22 AM
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i pray to god they bench rosival tonite, i cannot stand watching him play.. pock brings more to the team then rosival imo.. he has a rocket of a shot, can jump into the play and seems to have enough speed to jump back on defense.. where rosival is one of the problem players with the pass, pass, pass rather then take an open shot mentality, has no speed to recover when he gets caught or jumps up.. play pock i could see him scoring about 10-12 goals and playing a solid defensive game if he's played on a regular basis and can continue to adjust to the nhl game on a nightly basis, not a bi-weekly basis..

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10-18-2006, 06:54 AM
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because:

a) 7th defensemen aren't valuable at all, because defensemen are immune to injury and
b) it's not possible for players over the age of 23 to improve?
you don't need to convince me of his value and if it was up to me he'd be playing every night. but if the rangers don't think he's good enough to play (and he'll become the #8 guy in about a week when ozolinsh returns) then they don't think he's good enough to play. and a year from now baranka, staal, etc will be a year older and a year closer to being regulars which will make it even less likely that they will finally give pock a shot then.

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10-18-2006, 06:58 AM
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I'm all for playing Pock, but benching Roszival, may not even be the answer soon, didn't Tom say that Ozo is day to day, almost ready? Pock may need to start wearing goalie pads.

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10-18-2006, 07:40 AM
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Pock has been far from the worst defenseman. Roszival has been playing some steady games. It is Malik, in my opinion, that has played atrotiously.

Call me crazy but 4 games into his career and 6 games into the season may be just a little to early to give up on Dawes. I'd really like to see him get minutes with quality, offensive linemates, but I'd be happy just to see him keep playing for at least the rest of the month. Of course we don't even need rookies since we are a true contender and have been pronounce "rebuilt"!

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10-18-2006, 07:51 AM
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as far as i know he played forward all 4 years at umass

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I saw Pck play center in the 05' WCH for Austria, his dad who is the coach for Austria used him as a center.

Though, while Pck could play center in the NHL, especially on a 4th line, he is not a better option there then Jarkko Immonen.

He knows how to create offense from the blueline, not in deep in the attackingzone.

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10-18-2006, 08:02 AM
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as far as i know he played forward all 4 years at umass
I know he played D his last two years there, with Degon as his partner.

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10-18-2006, 01:04 PM
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It seems silly to suggest that Pock is better then Roz. Esp. when Pock seems to play against weaker opposition.

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It seems silly to suggest that Pock is better then Roz. Esp. when Pock seems to play against weaker opposition.
However, Pock had an excellent camp and has played better than several of the veteran defensemen in these games at the beginning of the year. Is the concept of "earning" your ice time in earnest or just lip service? Seems like the latter to me.

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Does anyone know if playoff games can be counted as part of the 61 games?

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10-18-2006, 02:47 PM
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Pock played great opening night..

terrible in philly

so/so at home againts philly

terrible againts pittsburgh

worst defenseman on the ice in 7-4 loss in buffalo...A -3 including putting his own puck in the net..you know something that if Rozsival or Malik would've done this board would've collapsed in anger...

Yeah it's because he isn't making any money...sure it is...

Funny, while kaspar was pleading that he was a 100% the Rangers still scratched him. I wonder if Renney had to run that by the team accountant??

Basically people actually think that Renney has to run general coaching by

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do I have that right or am i missing something. God forbid we actually sit down and WATCH how bad Pock looked in a 3 games...

Yup it's all about money and NOTHING MORE...

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Does anyone know if playoff games can be counted as part of the 61 games?

Regular season games only.

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i wish i was the team accountant

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Funny, while kaspar was pleading that he was a 100% the Rangers still scratched him. I wonder if Renney had to run that by the team accountant??
Now that's not correct. Kasparitis was held out because of his performances in practice and drills and he knew it. In fact, Sam Weinman wrote about how frustrated Kaspar was following timed sprints one day that exposed just how bad his skating was, knowing it meant he wouldn't be playing.

I certainly see Pock's weaknesses. Some are inherent for a guy who was trained as a forward, some are to be expected for a guy who's played less than 25 NHL games. For his poor efforts, he's been benched. I don't have a problem with the decision, I just wish it applied to everyone who turned in several garbage performances.

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if ozolinsh plays anywhere near par i really dont see pock getting 61

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However, Pock had an excellent camp and has played better than several of the veteran defensemen in these games at the beginning of the year. Is the concept of "earning" your ice time in earnest or just lip service? Seems like the latter to me.
"Better" is a little subjective. I disagree that Pock ahs played better. And of course players should earn their ice time, I just feel that Pock has not earned it as of yet, at least if the choice is between Pock and Malik.

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if ozolinsh plays anywhere near par i really dont see pock getting 61
it's hard to imagine him getting 61 even if Ozolinsh doesn't play a game

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