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So lets say the trend continues in Philly...

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10-18-2006, 08:10 AM
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So lets say the trend continues in Philly...

I realize this is very kneejerk and not fair to Philly fans but what if this first couple weeks is a premanision of the season for the Flyers. I have watched almost all of their games and they do look like they are having some problems. The question I ask, is if Philly, God forbid continues down this slippery slope and is about to miss the playoffs. What could Bobby Clarke get for Peter Forsberg? Arguably the best player in the world when healthy and in the playoffs this guy is clutch. Im not going to throw any outlandish proposals out there because who couldnt use this guy...really. Clutch center that has no problem playing wing. Just more curious than anything.

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Forsberg has a notrade clause

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The habs would sure make a bet and give them Radek Bonk. Maybe we can even throw in Cristobal Théodore!!!

No but honestly, I can't see the Flyers getting a fair return for Forsberg. Sure he is a dominant player when healthy but here is a part of the problem.

IMO, the Flyers would have to put Gagné on the market to get something interesting, including a number one goalie.

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Robin Regehr, Roman Hamerlik(salary purposes), Boyd,1st

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Forsberg, Gauthier, Jones

Just a thought, wow I would seriously be affraid of Calgary then.

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i'll spare you the "it's early yet" talk. if things DO get bad, the flyers will have high draft position, which is one plus.

if rathje's back doesn't get better, maybe a speedier puck-mover needs to be had (free agency?)

i think forsberg, gagne, niittymaki w/o torn labrum, and pitkanen (and i guess hatcher though i'm personally not a fan) aren't going anywhere. and that's a significant enough portion of the roster to build vs rebuild

i can only personally remember two instances where a top talent team captain was moved: owen nolan and joe thornton. i don't think the flyers are going to experience the magnitude of shakeup that the sharks and bruins did that led to the captain being dealt (and i don't think the flyers are as pessimistic about forsberg as those teams were on their caps)

moving forsberg or gagne might send the wrong message to the philadelphia fans.

with the high level of player movement between years that's expected with the new CBA, we won't see too many dynasties but also hopefully teams won't have more than one or two off years in a row.

plus, claude giroux is looking awesome. all's not lost in philly =P

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I’d say just go look at all the Gomez threads to get an idea of what they can get. Granted, Forsberg is a better player but he’s also more injury prone. Otherwise, both are first line centers with multiple cups making $4.5 - $5.0M this season heading into free agency next year. I’m sure you’ll see the same arguments about teams not having cap space, not wanted to trade youth for a one year player, the GM has no choice but to dump him for nothing…alright, maybe not that last one (though someone will probably argue Clarke will be forced to make a trade if they keep losing).

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10-18-2006, 08:39 AM
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you guys are ******** and can't read. Forsberg has a no-trade clause.

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you guys are ******** and can't read. Forsberg has a no-trade clause.
Which has no bearing on the hypothetical question regarding Forsberg's value.

Anway, let the overpayments continue.

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Robin Regehr, Roman Hamerlik(salary purposes), Boyd,1st

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Forsberg, Gauthier, Jones

Just a thought, wow I would seriously be affraid of Calgary then.
yeah trade away 2 of the top 3 d-men for Forsberg (who will get hurt), someone who was too slow for the old NHL (Gauthier) and a defenseman with a whole 33 games under his belt? that wouldnt scar emany teams... maybe the top 2 lines would (when healthy)... but our defense would have either Gauthier, Warrener, Zyuzin or Ference playing on the top pairing... that would be disasterous...

Maybe Regehr a 3rd and a conditional 1st for Forsberg (the condition that Forsberg re-signs)

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I would speculate that Hitchcock and Clarke would both be burned at the stake by Snider before the Flyers make any huge moves with the players. Can't say I'd be sorry to see Clarke get the shaft!

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yeah trade away 2 of the top 3 d-men for Forsberg (who will get hurt), someone who was too slow for the old NHL (Gauthier) and a defenseman with a whole 33 games under his belt? that wouldnt scar emany teams... maybe the top 2 lines would (when healthy)... but our defense would have either Gauthier, Warrener, Zyuzin or Ference playing on the top pairing... that would be disasterous...

Maybe Regehr a 3rd and a conditional 1st for Forsberg (the condition that Forsberg re-signs)
Good point, because again, Forsberg's offense means nothing to the Flames or reuniting him with Tanguay. And I would say that Gauthier is better all-around the Hamerlik.

And the Flames would still have the might Dion to take over the top job.

Edit: Tanguay - Forsberg - Iginal is much scarier then Tanguay - insert random center here - Iginla with Regehr, Phaneuf, Warrener and Hamerlik backing them up.

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Which has no bearing on the hypothetical question regarding Forsberg's value.

Anway, let the overpayments continue.
yeah let's discuss something that can't happen. That's fun right!

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If worse comes to worse and we have to trade Forsberg, the team aquiring him has to take one of Hatcher or Rathje and in return the Flyers would get less.

By doing this it shows the Flyers really don't want to move Forsberg, but if they can find someone that really wants him and don't care they have to take on dead weight of a defenseman its worth it. Forsberg can always re-sign with Philly in the offseason. Also this trade can only be done if its a guarentee the Flyers are not making the playoffs at the trade deadline. Not to mention him waiving his no trade clause. And a team to have enough cap room to take both contracts on.

This seems very unlikely to all fall into place which is very fitting because I'm sure the Flyers would rather not trade Forsberg.

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yeah let's discuss something that can't happen. That's fun right!
That happens a lot on this board.

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isnt this the last year on his contract?

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yeah let's discuss something that can't happen. That's fun right!
a player can waive his no-trade clause.

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yeah let's discuss something that can't happen. That's fun right!
Apparently you've never heard of someone waiving their no trade clause...

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Good point, because again, Forsberg's offense means nothing to the Flames or reuniting him with Tanguay. And I would say that Gauthier is better all-around the Hamerlik.

And the Flames would still have the might Dion to take over the top job.

Edit: Tanguay - Forsberg - Iginal is much scarier then Tanguay - insert random center here - Iginla with Regehr, Phaneuf, Warrener and Hamerlik backing them up.
i didnt critisize moving 1 of them for Forsberg... i said you cant trade both... and for what it matter Tanguay has found a home and chemistry with Lombardi and Kobasew... they were a threat on every shift last night... not bad after only 2 games together

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i didnt critisize moving 1 of them for Forsberg... i said you cant trade both... and for what it matter Tanguay has found a home and chemistry with Lombardi and Kobasew... they were a threat on every shift last night... not bad after only 2 games together
I know with both guys it seems like alot, but Calgary's up against the cap and Regehr and Forsberg's salary diference is too high.

Hey and right on if Tanguay getting going, I always thought he was too good not produce(honestly).

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I know with both guys it seems like alot, but Calgary's up against the cap and Regehr and Forsberg's salary diference is too high.

Hey and right on if Tanguay getting going, I always thought he was too good not produce(honestly).
the Flames have more cap space than you might think... they have about 1.3 million free now... if Nystrom stays on IR for another couple weeks and is demoted as soon as he is off IR he will have 1 day of NHL time if any... so you could free up his 1.5 million cap hit... that give 2.8 million... then Regehr's cap hit is 1.875... that gives 4.675 to work with... we'd need to clear about another million in salary... but i'm sure if the Flames asked for no more than a mid round pick the Flames could dump Amonte somewhere

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the Flames have more cap space than you might think... they have about 1.3 million free now... if Nystrom stays on IR for another couple weeks and is demoted as soon as he is off IR he will have 1 day of NHL time if any... so you could free up his 1.5 million cap hit... that give 2.8 million... then Regehr's cap hit is 1.875... that gives 4.675 to work with... we'd need to clear about another million in salary... but i'm sure if the Flames asked for no more than a mid round pick the Flames could dump Amonte somewhere
Washington and Pittsburgh have lots of cap spaces.

Amonte for a 4th

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since no-trades are irrelevant, how about Kesler & Morrison for Forsberg?

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Apparently you've never heard of someone waiving their no trade clause...

for sure...if Forsberg retires. He will finish his career in philly.

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since no-trades are irrelevant, how about Kesler & Morrison for Forsberg?
Kesler can not be traded this year.

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Kesler can not be traded this year.
right, but I thought that didn't count in this thread

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