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Greatest Goalie of All Time #15

View Poll Results: Greatest Goalie of All Time #15
Johnny Bower 3 8.33%
Georges Vezina 10 27.78%
Chuck Gardiner 1 2.78%
Frank Brimsek 5 13.89%
Lorne "Gump" Worsley 1 2.78%
Tiny Thompson 0 0%
Tony Esposito 1 2.78%
Grant Fuhr 11 30.56%
Jiri Holocek 1 2.78%
Ed Belfour 3 8.33%
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10-20-2006, 10:11 AM
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Greatest Goalie of All Time #15

Benedict won with 14 votes and Belfour will be added next. Voted Fuhr, add Giacomin.

#1.Roy(40.70%)
#2.Sawchuk(36.00%)
#3.Plante(38.16%)
#4.Hasek(32.05%)
#5.Hall(37.84%)
#6.Dryden(38.61%)
#7.Brodeur(31.11%)
#8.Tretiak(35.00%)
#9. Durnan(24.39%)
#10. Parent(40.54%)
#11. Hainsworth (19.51%)
#12. Broda (24.14%)
#13. B.Smith (23.53%)
#14. Benedict (31.82%)

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Voted Bower, add Giacomin.

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Vezina, add Barr*******

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10-22-2006, 01:15 PM
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Voted Belfour


top 3 all time wins and shutouts

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10-22-2006, 04:00 PM
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top 3 all time wins and shutouts
Exactly. I will sound like a homer, but I can't understand how Billy Smith, Clint Benedict and Even turk Broda is ranked before Ed Belfour.

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Exactly. I will sound like a homer, but I can't understand how Billy Smith, Clint Benedict and Even turk Broda is ranked before Ed Belfour.
Billy Smith was a key player on 4 Stanley Cup winners, Broda on 5 (with just as many Vezinas and post-season all-stars), and Benedict was probably the best goalie of his generation, whereas Belfour was behind Roy, Brodeur and Hasek.

Belfour was great, but not as good as any of those guys, IMO.

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Exactly. I will sound like a homer, but I can't understand how Billy Smith, Clint Benedict and Even turk Broda is ranked before Ed Belfour.
Belfour led the league in wins once, minutes twice, shutouts 4 times, GAA twice, and won one Stanley Cup.

Benedict, counting only his NHL career, led in wins 6 times, minutes 5 times, shutouts 7 times, GAA 4 times, and won 4 Stanley Cups.

Broda led in wins twice, minutes 5 times, shutouts twice, GAA twice, and won 5 Cups.

Smith led in wins once, and won 4 Cups.

I'd guess that it's that Cup thing that influenced most voters.

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Exactly. I will sound like a homer, but I can't understand how Billy Smith, Clint Benedict and Even turk Broda is ranked before Ed Belfour.
It's because you don't know anything about hockey history.

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I would say Fuhr but as a rookie, I am not allowed to vote

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Exactly. I will sound like a homer, but I can't understand how Billy Smith, Clint Benedict and Even turk Broda is ranked before Ed Belfour.
When you sign out of HF Boards, go do five minutes of research on each of the goalies you just mentioned, and you'll know why all three were better than Belfour. You really make yourself look like an uninformed, ignorant fool with a statement like that.

Ed Belfour's a sure-fire HHOFer, but he's not in the top 20 of all-time. Broda, Smith and Benedict are, as are Bower, Fuhr, Brimsek and several players on this list.

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When you sign out of HF Boards, go do five minutes of research on each of the goalies you just mentioned, and you'll know why all three were better than Belfour. You really make yourself look like an uninformed, ignorant fool with a statement like that.

Ed Belfour's a sure-fire HHOFer, but he's not in the top 20 of all-time. Broda, Smith and Benedict are, as are Bower, Fuhr, Brimsek and several players on this list.
Agreed. Belfour was a really great goalie though. Awesome in Chicago, Dallas and Toronto. Not one of the best of All-Time but he had a very consitent and solid career. He only had a couple of off years and really redeemed himself from those with his play in Toronto. Not that many goalies maintained a really high level of play for so long. Many of the better goalies ever tend to have great peaks and then lose their greatness and revert to being closer to average. Like Barrasso, Richter and a ton of other goalies. Belfour had the same ability to be a top goalie for a very long period like many of those on this list ahead of him.

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Looking at the poll and I can't believe Vezina is very much in the running. Having your name on a trophy due to a premature death certainly makes you overrated as a goalie. For most of his career, Vezina was nowhere near the best goalie in hockey, let alone a top 15 of all-time. He is easily the worst pick of all of the guys available on this list.

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Looking at the poll and I can't believe Vezina is very much in the running. Having your name on a trophy due to a premature death certainly makes you overrated as a goalie. For most of his career, Vezina was nowhere near the best goalie in hockey, let alone a top 15 of all-time. He is easily the worst pick of all of the guys available on this list.
I dunno, a guy who lost his job to Felix Potvin while he was in his late 20's is a pretty bad pick as well...

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Looking at the poll and I can't believe Vezina is very much in the running. Having your name on a trophy due to a premature death certainly makes you overrated as a goalie. For most of his career, Vezina was nowhere near the best goalie in hockey, let alone a top 15 of all-time. He is easily the worst pick of all of the guys available on this list.
I think Gardiner is the best but voted Vezina because I think there are at least 6 guys better than Fuhr.

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I dunno, a guy who lost his job to Felix Potvin while he was in his late 20's is a pretty bad pick as well...
I know you're young, but from the period of 1984 to 1990, when he was at his peak, Fuhr was widely considered the best goalie in the NHL. During his time, Vezina was never considered the best goalie in the NHL. Fuhr never lost his job to Potvin. Potvin's emergence led the Leafs to believe that they could upgrade in other areas where they needed help. The Leafs got a damned good return for Fuhr, which should give you an idea of his value back then.

Going back to my point. I'm not saying people should vote for Fuhr. Any of the other guys are great choices. I'm just saying Vezina is a really bad choice.


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I think Gardiner is the best but voted Vezina because I think there are at least 6 guys better than Fuhr.
Gardiner gets short changed because of the brevity of his career, despite the fact that he was incredibly dominant when playing.

I agree that there are still a few guys up there I'd take before Fuhr.

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I know you're young, but from the period of 1984 to 1990, when he was at his peak, Fuhr was widely considered the best goalie in the NHL. During his time, Vezina was never considered the best goalie in the NHL. Fuhr never lost his job to Potvin. Potvin's emergence led the Leafs to believe that they could upgrade in other areas where they needed help. The Leafs got a damned good return for Fuhr, which should give you an idea of his value back then.
Fuhr may have gotten a good return, but I don't understand why a team would trade a so called great money goalie right before a playoff push so they can replace him with a guy with absolutly no NHL playoff experience. And, in the process, be outplayed by Darren Puppa and Felix Potvin. Fletcher was a good GM, if Fuhr was so good, why would he move him before a playoff push to replace him with no playoff success? Was there any time a contender traded away a 5 time cup winner just before a playoff push?

Two, there is no way Fuhr is the best from 88-89 and 89-90, that's when Roy emerged and proved '86 was no fluke.

Three, between 88-89 and 93-94, he was sent down to the AHL on three seperate occasions.

Four, the Kings let him walk after 14 horrid games.

The thing about it is from 89-90 through 94-95, Grant Fuhr was a bad goalie. A back-up ability without the ability to play as a back-up. He was good early in Edmonton and good in St. Louis. But I have to wonder if situations made him look good when you concider that he was an utter failure elsewhere. And yeah he had good trade value, what 5 time cup winning goalie doesn't?

Yeah, I missed him in his prime. But his prime was short and played on an utterly dominant team where Moog and Ranford also looked real good. When removed from that situation he faltered seriously. And even though I haven't seen those games, I have to question the legitimacy of the strength of his play. Does he belong somewhere in this vote? Sure. Does he belong before Bower, Gardiner, Thompson, Holocek, Worsley etc? Simply put. No, absolutly not. All Fuhr has on them is cups, and he was what, the 5th, 6th most important player on the team?

As for Vezina, he was at least the #2 NHL goalie for his whole career. Although a large amount behind Benedict.

Is Vezina a bad pick right now? You betcha, but Fuhr, IMO, is just as poor.

It's a shame it's comming down to the worst possible choices...

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Is there something I'm missing here? Where's Tretiak, Roy, Sawchuck (spelling), Dryden, Hainsworth?

Parent, Plante, Hall? And I'm mising a few more.

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Is there something I'm missing here? Where's Tretiak, Roy, Sawchuck (spelling), Dryden, Hainsworth?
They've all been selected already. This is for the 15th best goalie.

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