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Kvashinator there is no way i'm helping the Sens unless their willing to overpay big time. Just Volchenkov, no no no. Add Schastlivy and a second and I still take less to send him out somewhere West...
at the trade deadline in 2000,MM dumping salary almost dealt Chow+Jonsson for 21 yr old Kvasha+ 20 yr old Novo.Kvasha was the big draw for MM.Novo was a promising youngster,but not the key to the deal.
3 yrs later,the FL press was still writing about how MM has always wanted Novo($800,000).MM wanted Novo so badly that when he was recently put on waivers,MM passed.
this is from Foxsports.com.Spectors column:
From Foxsports.com site:
Spector / Special to FOXSports.com
Prince of Pucks
As for Schastlivy, just because Isles GM Mike Milbury may have coveted him as a hotshot prospect doesn't mean he's keen to pursue him now that he's struggling to make it in the NHL. The only thing that would make him attractive to the Isles right now is his salary ($650K).
Struggling to make the NHL, that's funny for the same thing was said at one time or another when in regards to Blake, Bates, Hunter. Put Schastlivy with fellow countrymen Kvasha and Yashin and let's see if the kid still struggles...
so Schastlivy can't put his game together playing with a much more skilled Sens team,but he's gonna with the isles?
and what exactly have Bates,Blake and Hunter done that's so impressive?
Bates is a quality 3rd liner,who didn't stick in the nhl until he was 25.
Blake had his 1st yr scoring over 13 goals at the age of 27 or 28?
Hunter looks like he could develop into a solid 2nd liner.
All three are playing in the NHL and look like a lock to be solid contributors in this league for years to come and that should be enough to impress. I like you Crew but c'mon now you say Bates is only a quality third liner like it's a bad thing. And as for Schastlivy i've always been a fan of matching up lines with ethnic origins for they have advantages. Speaking the same foreign language for instance, North American defensemen would have no idea what they are talking about meanwhile there setting up plays in full flight of play....Plus the trade proposal I made also netted us a second and a d-man that has #3 or #4 dman potential...
so those three made it into the league after struggling for their first few yrs.
Geez how many propsects struggling in their first few yrs and don't make it to the nhl or they make it,but never live up to the hype?
According to previous Garroich columns the nyi have been offered Schastlivy at least 2x,maybe 3x over the last 2 yrs.Since Schastlivy is not a nyi,I'd say the guy at Spectors has nailed it accurately:like the Novo situation,MM had interest when the player was a bright young prospect just entering the league,but after seeing him struggle the last few yrs,the interest has waned.
while I'd love for the isles to get a young blueline prospect like volchenkov(sp),I don't see a need to trade for a struggling Schastlivy.
so Schastlivy can't put his game together playing with a much more skilled Sens team,but he's gonna with the isles?
and what exactly have Bates,Blake and Hunter done that's so impressive?
Bates is a quality 3rd liner,who didn't stick in the nhl until he was 25.
Blake had his 1st yr scoring over 13 goals at the age of 27 or 28?
Hunter looks like he could develop into a solid 2nd liner.
Actually, Crew, Blake has his first scoring season when he was 29. I think he is 30 now. Of course, he was a pretty solid 4th liner before that and has always been one of my favorite players.
I dont see y everyone is talking about the isles tading for a d-man? The isles have one of the best sets of blue-liners in the nhl. I think sticking someone else into the mix would upset that balance and might ruin one of the only good things we have left. Trading Cairns might make sense if we can improve our scoring but trading Peca for a d-man makes no sense. We have a few prospects in Bridgeport that can fill the gap if Cairns is traded. It is weird that when we get a quality foward captain such as Peca, Muller, Linden something happens and their scoring falls off. Me being a die hard fan hates to see this and we have rebuilded so many times just once i wish we got a proven scorer and they stayed that way! I think if a team was going to overpay for Peca it would have ot be non other then .... THE RANGERS, no matter who they get or how much they pay they always find a way to lose!
It is weird that when we get a quality foward captain such as Peca, Muller, Linden something happens and their scoring falls off.
It's called environment, my friend. Which is really sad, since this franchise was the definitive example of how to build an expansion franchise to one of the very best teams ever, at one time.
Put Peca on the Wings, Sens or Canucks and he would flourish. Of that I'm sure.
Also, Sabot, if we want to think of TC as "ruined" (and there is still plenty of time for him, so I don't see him in that light at all), the fault lies with the Isles - not the Sabres. It was absolutely ridiculous to have an 18 TC on the Isles first PP unit. The Isles non-existant development system has to take a lot of the blame here.
And then TC came to Buffalo, where Lindy Ruff demands that the forwards backcheck and play responsibly. His head had to have been spinning. I think that time will straighten things out for Connolly. Modano wasn't a world beater either when he was young, so I take some solace in that.
I'm basing my assesment on the fact that 1. you don't trade for a player with a concussion. That's just common sense. 2. yes, Dorothy, there will be a lockout. Either way it doesn't matter, TC's current injury status and total lack of development negates what little trade value he might have held otherwise. Any discussions of TC trades are a dead issue. Nobody acquires a guy with a concussion. The rest is irrelevent, by and large.
I don't believe there will be a lockout. Baseball lost millions and took about two years to recover- and baseball is far more popular in the United States than hockey.
Off-topic for this thread, but the powers that be will take a hard look at the labor perfection the NFL has achieved. A hard cap will be exchanged for a overhaul of the free agency system, to something much like the NFL has.
Peca is not happy to be an Islander anymore and it shows in his face when he's playing and when he's being interviewed. Either he's still hurt in some way or, IMO, he's not happy with Wang and MM changing their tunes and starting to dump salaries. This is not what he invisioned when he came here.
This is hurting the team...because he is not acting like the Captain we all know he can be. I think if he gets traded, Scatchard should be handed the "C".
I think Peca may of shot his load. I think he lost the team just about the time Lavy lost it.
It's clear the Isles don't seem to be led by Peca. They were playing mean physical hockey up until Scatch went down.
Don't believe the hype about the Isles having to trim payroll. I think it's more about trimming expensive trash due to a logjam on the roster.
Not sure what the leadership situation with the Islanders currently is. Darth, you may be able to help with this. From Peca's time in Buffalo I do know that he brought a lot to the table.
I think New York can find other ways to drop salary than trading Peca.
Responding to other posts:
NY and Buffalo knew what the potential and the risks involved in the deal when they made it. Buffalo's risk: What if Connolly and Pyatt don't develop? New York's was Peca's salary. MM accepted because he wanted to win.
I find it absurd when people suggest that GM's don't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing. Much of what they do when they trade and draft comes down to what risks they are willing to accept. When the risk turns out for the worse, people say they don't know what they are doing. What really happened is the GM accepted a risk, and lost.
It all comes down to decisions and calculated risks.
I dont see y everyone is talking about the isles tading for a d-man? The isles have one of the best sets of blue-liners in the nhl. I think sticking someone else into the mix would upset that balance and might ruin one of the only good things we have left. Trading Cairns might make sense if we can improve our scoring but trading Peca for a d-man makes no sense. We have a few prospects in Bridgeport that can fill the gap if Cairns is traded. It is weird that when we get a quality foward captain such as Peca, Muller, Linden something happens and their scoring falls off. Me being a die hard fan hates to see this and we have rebuilded so many times just once i wish we got a proven scorer and they stayed that way! I think if a team was going to overpay for Peca it would have ot be non other then .... THE RANGERS, no matter who they get or how much they pay they always find a way to lose!
I think the Idea is that, if the Isles HAVE TO dump $, and HAVE TO unload Peca, then addressing an organizational weakness makes sense. WE stupidly traded away the only young dman in our system, but the Isles have a few good young forward prospects on deck.
paying peca only 1.2 million extra would be great.
That's a thrilling proposal, stop it, don't be too generous. You give away a prospect that's already holding out, which is something Mike Milbury loves to settle. Then, to top it off, you add Marek Malik or Brent Sopel, man show me the dots where to sign. If that isn't enough, you also add a very, very rare 3rd round pick, that no other in the league possesses.
Thank God you have the Isles paying 80% of Peca's contract, or else it would be even more overpaying. After all, the reason why the Isles want to trade Peca is because Milbury only wants one Mike on the team to prevent futher confusions and not two.
Well done, now flame me if you want, but here's my simular attempt from the Stars:
Joel Lundqvist, Don Sweeney and a 3rd round pick for Mike Peca (80% paid)..
Well done, now flame me if you want, but here's my simular attempt from the Stars:
Joel Lundqvist, Don Sweeney and a 3rd round pick for Mike Peca (80% paid)..
Don Sweeney who's about 100 yrs old?
since I didn't know anything about Lundqvist,I checked on the Stars prospect board:
Future
Lundqvist should be a solid NHLer, but he has a little more development ahead of him before he is ready. He has begun to produce more consistently and stepped into a big role with his club during the 2002-03 season. He should continue to improve and could be among the SEL leaders in points during the 2003-04 season. He should also see time with the Swedish national team.
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as overwhelming as getting an ancient Don Sweeny and a potentially solid forward is,I'd imagine the isles would look for a 1st tier prospect back for Peca.
since I didn't know anything about Lundqvist,I checked on the Stars prospect board:
Future
Lundqvist should be a solid NHLer, but he has a little more development ahead of him before he is ready. He has begun to produce more consistently and stepped into a big role with his club during the 2002-03 season. He should continue to improve and could be among the SEL leaders in points during the 2003-04 season. He should also see time with the Swedish national team.
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as overwhelming as getting an ancient Don Sweeny and a potentially solid forward is,I'd imagine the isles would look for a 1st tier prospect back for Peca.
Check your batteries..
Though in all honesty, Lundqvist, despite struglling lately due to injuries is deemed as a Peca type player..
I'd not mind seeing Peca in SJ. If the price is picks and/or prospects, SJ might have something NYI is looking for.
To SJ: Peca
To NYI: Davisson/3rd round pick -or- Rathje/no pick.
The Sharks need a leader on Offense. I think the Sharks could do without either of those dmen for a player like Peca. If the Isles don't need Dmen, I'd recommend Brad Boyes in place of Davisson, or perhaps Mike Ricci and a 3rd or 4th round pick depending...
Though in all honesty, Lundqvist, despite struglling lately due to injuries is deemed as a Peca type player..
and there are posters on the nyi board who swear that Mapletoft is a Peca type player.
You've offered a project forward prospect,who's upside your own prospect writer describes as solid,a 36/37 yr old defenseman and a 3rd rounder for Peca.
and there are posters on the nyi board who swear that Mapletoft is a Peca type player.
You've offered a project forward prospect,who's upside your own prospect writer describes as solid,a 36/37 yr old defenseman and a 3rd rounder for Peca.
I don't think my heart can't take the excitement.
... never mind.. sarcasm is probably an unknown term in your world..
I'd not mind seeing Peca in SJ. If the price is picks and/or prospects, SJ might have something NYI is looking for.
To SJ: Peca
To NYI: Davisson/3rd round pick -or- Rathje/no pick.
The Sharks need a leader on Offense. I think the Sharks could do without either of those dmen for a player like Peca. If the Isles don't need Dmen, I'd recommend Brad Boyes in place of Davisson, or perhaps Mike Ricci and a 3rd or 4th round pick depending...
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One of two things will likely happen. The Isles will keep Peca, or they'll dump him for a something like a 2nd rounder and a solid prospect. Expensive vets (e.g., Ricci - who by the way, is underrated and nearly as good as Peca in most facets of the game) and second tier prospects are not going to be of interest.
Either way, it will be an interesting situation to watch. The tight $ in the NHL is the driving force in all deals these day - not on the on-ice product.
I'd not mind seeing Peca in SJ. If the price is picks and/or prospects, SJ might have something NYI is looking for.
To SJ: Peca
To NYI: Davisson/3rd round pick -or- Rathje/no pick.
The Sharks need a leader on Offense. I think the Sharks could do without either of those dmen for a player like Peca. If the Isles don't need Dmen, I'd recommend Brad Boyes in place of Davisson, or perhaps Mike Ricci and a 3rd or 4th round pick depending...
Not having seen Davisson play,let's go by your prospect writer's description:a big defensemen who could be the next SJ enforcer.Plays a solid defensive game.
Isles don't need an enforcer and Davisson's upside doesn't sound high enough to land Peca.
Center's the nyi deepest position,so why bring in Boyes?
Rathje's almost 30.I expect the nyi to want cheap youngsters who are far from hitting the ufa market.
Not having seen Davisson play,let's go by your prospect writer's description:a big defensemen who could be the next SJ enforcer.Plays a solid defensive game.
Isles don't need an enforcer and Davisson's upside doesn't sound high enough to land Peca.
Center's the nyi deepest position,so why bring in Boyes?
Rathje's almost 30.I expect the nyi to want cheap youngsters who are far from hitting the ufa market.
Davisson is a solid DMan. I think that if packaged with a 2nd - 3rd round pick it could be more than what Peca brings back in trade later. If Davisson/pick isn't enough, I'd say the Sharks could part with McLaren for Peca. I'm not sure that's better for the Isles from what CREW99AW wrote. I happen to think that Davisson could surpass McLaren's potential/upside in a couple years....
