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10-22-2006, 11:31 AM
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3-way Proposal: CGY/DET/TBay

To CGY: Pavel Datsyuk + Ruslan Fedotenko

To DET: Rhett Warrener + Chuck Kobasew + 1st '07 (CGY) + Dan Ryder

To Tbay: 2nd '07 (Det) + Jamie Lundmark + Brent Krahn

Detroit does this for the Defensive defensemen that they've been seeking as well as a young stud in Kobasew that is fast and can finish if given the minutes.
They also get a 1st and Dan Ryder to shore up their prospects pool. Also, Datsyuk is UFA at the end of the year and I doubt Detroit thinks they'll be a contender this year.

Calgary does this to get the 1st line center that they desperately need. He may also be the gel to Iggy and Tanguay. Also can help the PP.
Calgary has the defensive depth to deal one last D (although it may not seem like it anymore). Also Fedotenko will be able to replace Kobasew on the 2nd line RW position.

Tbay gets a solid goaltender in Brent Krahn who is NHL ready, but there is never room for him in CGY because of Kipper. Krahn has outplayed the backups in CGY every preseason, but due to contract issues, has always been sent down to get more playing time. They also get a 2nd from Det, and Jamie Lundmark who has proved in his short stint with CGY that he has good offense upside and is willing to play a 2way game. He was our best faceoff guy as well (Him and Yelle), but just wont get the icetime in CGY. Tbay does this for the 2nd and their possible future goalie or at least solid backup.

Tanguay - Datsyuk - Iggy
Huselius - Langkow - Fedotenko
Friesen - Lombardi - Amonte
Nilson - Yelle - McCarty

Extra: Ritchie, Nystrom, Prust.

If this isnt a 'good' trade, please feel free to tweak it. Not just something like 'Tbay would never do this' blablabla, state reason plz.

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10-22-2006, 11:53 AM
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This doesn't work at all for the Wings. We already have 7 NHL dmen, a low 1st isn't going to help much, and Koby isn't that amazing of a prospect.

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10-22-2006, 11:57 AM
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IMO Calgary gets too much (possibly the two best players in the deal).

Doesn't make much sense for T-Bay.

I think Detroit would rather move Datsyuk for quality rather than quantity.

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10-22-2006, 11:57 AM
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I really like Fedetenko and could easily live with him on the roster over Kobasew. But no to Dats. Id choose Lang over him, due to him being alot cheaper and less to give up for.

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10-22-2006, 12:02 PM
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I really like Fedetenko and could easily live with him on the roster over Kobasew. But no to Dats. Id choose Lang over him, due to him being alot cheaper and less to give up for.
He makes 100k less than Datsyuk.

And no, this doesn't improve the Red Wings.

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10-22-2006, 12:39 PM
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No thanks from Tampa. We already have a huge ammount of goalies in the system, another one is pointless in every way for us.

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10-22-2006, 12:41 PM
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But no to Dats. Id choose Lang over him, due to him being alot cheaper and less to give up for.

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10-22-2006, 01:15 PM
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To CGY: Pavel Datsyuk + Ruslan Fedotenko

To DET: Rhett Warrener + Chuck Kobasew + 1st '07 (CGY) + Dan Ryder

To Tbay: 2nd '07 (Det) + Jamie Lundmark + Brent Krahn

Detroit does this for the Defensive defensemen that they've been seeking as well as a young stud in Kobasew that is fast and can finish if given the minutes.
They also get a 1st and Dan Ryder to shore up their prospects pool. Also, Datsyuk is UFA at the end of the year and I doubt Detroit thinks they'll be a contender this year.

Calgary does this to get the 1st line center that they desperately need. He may also be the gel to Iggy and Tanguay. Also can help the PP.
Calgary has the defensive depth to deal one last D (although it may not seem like it anymore). Also Fedotenko will be able to replace Kobasew on the 2nd line RW position.

Tbay gets a solid goaltender in Brent Krahn who is NHL ready, but there is never room for him in CGY because of Kipper. Krahn has outplayed the backups in CGY every preseason, but due to contract issues, has always been sent down to get more playing time. They also get a 2nd from Det, and Jamie Lundmark who has proved in his short stint with CGY that he has good offense upside and is willing to play a 2way game. He was our best faceoff guy as well (Him and Yelle), but just wont get the icetime in CGY. Tbay does this for the 2nd and their possible future goalie or at least solid backup.

Tanguay - Datsyuk - Iggy
Huselius - Langkow - Fedotenko
Friesen - Lombardi - Amonte
Nilson - Yelle - McCarty

Extra: Ritchie, Nystrom, Prust.

If this isnt a 'good' trade, please feel free to tweak it. Not just something like 'Tbay would never do this' blablabla, state reason plz.

somebody is obviously a flames fan, and i the that if this were to happen feditanko would go to the wings instead, of kobasew who would then go to the lightning.

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10-22-2006, 01:17 PM
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Tampa Bay says no.

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can you refresh my memory I seem to forget what clause was the salary cap does not apply to the Flames ? Added to that what Calgary is giving up is no where near enough to make the Wings bite.

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10-22-2006, 04:07 PM
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To CGY: Pavel Datsyuk + Ruslan Fedotenko

To DET: Rhett Warrener + Chuck Kobasew + 1st '07 (CGY) + Dan Ryder

To Tbay: 2nd '07 (Det) + Jamie Lundmark + Brent Krahn

Detroit does this for the Defensive defensemen that they've been seeking as well as a young stud in Kobasew that is fast and can finish if given the minutes.
They also get a 1st and Dan Ryder to shore up their prospects pool. Also, Datsyuk is UFA at the end of the year and I doubt Detroit thinks they'll be a contender this year.

Calgary does this to get the 1st line center that they desperately need. He may also be the gel to Iggy and Tanguay. Also can help the PP.
Calgary has the defensive depth to deal one last D (although it may not seem like it anymore). Also Fedotenko will be able to replace Kobasew on the 2nd line RW position.

Tbay gets a solid goaltender in Brent Krahn who is NHL ready, but there is never room for him in CGY because of Kipper. Krahn has outplayed the backups in CGY every preseason, but due to contract issues, has always been sent down to get more playing time. They also get a 2nd from Det, and Jamie Lundmark who has proved in his short stint with CGY that he has good offense upside and is willing to play a 2way game. He was our best faceoff guy as well (Him and Yelle), but just wont get the icetime in CGY. Tbay does this for the 2nd and their possible future goalie or at least solid backup.

Tanguay - Datsyuk - Iggy
Huselius - Langkow - Fedotenko
Friesen - Lombardi - Amonte
Nilson - Yelle - McCarty

Extra: Ritchie, Nystrom, Prust.

If this isnt a 'good' trade, please feel free to tweak it. Not just something like 'Tbay would never do this' blablabla, state reason plz.

Calgary is losing 3 roster players and 3 prospects for two guys. The numbers don't work out.

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10-22-2006, 04:10 PM
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I really like Fedetenko and could easily live with him on the roster over Kobasew. But no to Dats. Id choose Lang over him, due to him being alot cheaper and less to give up for.
That is an absurd statement.

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10-22-2006, 04:21 PM
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IMO Calgary gets too much (possibly the two best players in the deal).

Doesn't make much sense for T-Bay.

I think Detroit would rather move Datsyuk for quality rather than quantity.
exactly we dont need D we need a ****ing awesome winger and if we trade Dats it will be for a ****ing awesome winger, end of discussion (o yea, i did it, i dropped the "end of discussion" bomb)

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so the wings give: Datsyuk and 2nd in '07
and they get: Kobesew, Warrener, a 1st, and another center???

the flames give: Warrener, Kobesew, 1st, Lundmark, D. Ryder, Krahn
and they get: Datsyuk and Fedotenko

the bolts get: 2nd, Lundmark, Krahn
they give: Fedotenko

way too many players going way too many places. Datsyuk won't be traded in the west unless it's truly a deal too good to pass up IMO. and the only way another defensive dman comes to detroit is if lilja goes elsewhere. the rest of what i could say has already been said

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10-22-2006, 10:53 PM
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IMO Calgary gets too much (possibly the two best players in the deal).

Doesn't make much sense for T-Bay.

I think Detroit would rather move Datsyuk for quality rather than quantity.
of course


That is why it was worked that way


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10-22-2006, 10:56 PM
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Just what the Lightning need another goalie prospect!

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bad deal for every team

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to detroit: Toskala, Potier
to washington: Datsyuk, Josh Gorges
to san jose: Kronwall, 2nd rnd pick (WASH)

Detroit gets their much needed starting goalie. And a defenseman who can move the puck great.

Washington gets the #1 center to play alongside Ovechkin. Also they get a solid young defenseman.

The sharks resolve their goaltending while bringing in good young defenseman to go with carle, ehrhoff, and vlasic as the defensive core of the future. While also bringing in a 2nd rnd pick that might come in handy.

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to detroit: Toskala, Potier
to washington: Datsyuk, Josh Gorges
to san jose: Kronwall, 2nd rnd pick (WASH)

Detroit gets their much needed starting goalie. And a defenseman who can move the puck great.

Washington gets the #1 center to play alongside Ovechkin. Also they get a solid young defenseman.

The sharks resolve their goaltending while bringing in good young defenseman to go with carle, ehrhoff, and vlasic as the defensive core of the future. While also bringing in a 2nd rnd pick that might come in handy.
IMO Washington gets way too much in this proposal, for what they give up.

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to detroit: Toskala, Potier
to washington: Datsyuk, Josh Gorges
to san jose: Kronwall, 2nd rnd pick (WASH)

Detroit gets their much needed starting goalie. And a defenseman who can move the puck great.

Washington gets the #1 center to play alongside Ovechkin. Also they get a solid young defenseman.

The sharks resolve their goaltending while bringing in good young defenseman to go with carle, ehrhoff, and vlasic as the defensive core of the future. While also bringing in a 2nd rnd pick that might come in handy.
Wings have more goalies than they know what to do with and what do you suppose Kronwall is?

And in the end Detroit doesn't get the ONE thing they need most of all. A scoring line winger.

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to detroit: Toskala, Potier
to washington: Datsyuk, Josh Gorges
to san jose: Kronwall, 2nd rnd pick (WASH)

Detroit gets their much needed starting goalie. And a defenseman who can move the puck great.

Washington gets the #1 center to play alongside Ovechkin. Also they get a solid young defenseman.

The sharks resolve their goaltending while bringing in good young defenseman to go with carle, ehrhoff, and vlasic as the defensive core of the future. While also bringing in a 2nd rnd pick that might come in handy.
1. detroit doesn't need anymore goalies, it's been repeated over and over. Giving up kronwall is a definite no as defense is the 1 area that cannot be touched unless a bluechipper comes back that can step right in. i'd almost rather see the original deal than this one, but both are horrible.

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10-23-2006, 05:06 AM
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How about

CGY gets: an autograph of Datsyuk
DET gets: a wildcard to the stanley cup finals
TB gets: a slap in the face

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Washington isn't about to add that kind of salary, due in part to revenue sharing concerns. They are also not a team in a position to add pending UFAs, not as far away as they probably are from playoff contention. It's still a rebuild season.

The defense also couldn't stand to lose Pothier, who is one of the league leaders in ice time at present, unless one believes that Gorges can absorb 27-28 minutes a night. The system can't replace that kind of ice time from within. Defense is very thin.

Despite all this, from the other teams' perspective, the Caps aren't giving up enough. For better or for worse, Ovechkin has the support he's going to get this year.

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bad deal for every team
This is a bad trade suggestion....one of the worst one I have read......

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This is a bad trade suggestion....one of the worst one I have read......
i know... and i cant believe some are saying the Flames would win this deal... how can giving up 3 roster player and 3 prospects for Datsyuk and Fedentenko be winning?... i could see a roster player and 2 prospects or 2 roster players and a prospect for Datsyuk... but i wouldnt give anywhere near that much for fedotenko

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