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11-22-2003, 08:56 PM
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Why the NHL is sinking in the US?

Today was a prime example. No effort to show the Heritage Classic. 5 Channels chose College Football over a first ever outdoor hockey game and Gretzky's return to the ice. How do they expect to make new fans with this sort of publicity?

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Today was a prime example. No effort to show the Heritage Classic. 5 Channels chose College Football over a first ever outdoor hockey game and Gretzky's return to the ice. How do they expect to make new fans with this sort of publicity?
That's because college football is arguably the #2 sport in the USA behind NFL football and draws a huge fanbase. I mean, the NHL had its largest live audience in history today, and there were still 40000 people less than the number that packed Michigan Stadium in the afternoon. Frankly, I would have watched Wolverines vs. Buckeyes over the hockey game had they been on at the same time, no question.

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Maybe they shouldn't keep handing teams to the US if they aren't going to support them then?

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Because except for a few enclaves of hockey resistance, the US is nearly free of genuine Hockey Culture. But then again, the only country who can boast a real hockey tradition is Canada. How they endure through painfully boring sports like baseball and basketball and call hockey and soccer boring is beyond me. At least american football is OK, but nowhere near as fun to watch as rugby (go england!).

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The NFL is by far the most boring league to watch... WHOOPI Eagles won 10-8 over Rams... let's eat some chips and drink some bud... horrible.

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Because except for a few enclaves of hockey resistance, the US is nearly free of genuine Hockey Culture. But then again, the only country who can boast a real hockey tradition is Canada. How they endure through painfully boring sports like baseball and basketball and call hockey and soccer boring is beyond me. At least american football is OK, but nowhere near as fun to watch as rugby (go england!).
Hence why the NHL loses huge amounts of money a year. They are putting 24 teams in a country who puts every sport ahead of hockey.

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Today was a prime example. No effort to show the Heritage Classic. 5 Channels chose College Football over a first ever outdoor hockey game and Gretzky's return to the ice. How do they expect to make new fans with this sort of publicity?
Do you understand the concept of 'contracts'? ESPN cannot just tell the people they've signed contracts to screw off.

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The NFL is by far the most boring league to watch... WHOOPI Eagles won 10-8 over Rams... let's eat some chips and drink some bud... horrible.
Isn't baseball and basketball also about eating chips or am I missing something? Maybe hockey isn't as commercially attractive to sponsors and TV companys since it is alot more action and less time for chips eating and commercial ads?

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Americans and their college sports

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Do you understand the concept of 'contracts'? ESPN cannot just tell the people they've signed contracts to screw off.
This game wasn't planned this week.

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I don't follow basketball so I won't give my opinion. About baseball, the only thing I find disgusting is that right now, 5th starter or bad relievers are making 5 - 7,5 M while 7,5M in hockey is for All Star... Baseball is overpaying so much.. 2,2 for an old guy like Hentgen.. come on... (just an exemple)

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I wouldn't call basketball boring, then again I'm a massive fan of pretty much every sport short of Figure Skating and Synchro Swimming. Basketball rocks, the one-on-one battles are just amazing. NFL football is also great because they are some amazing athletes, and the overall ability of any team to win any day actually increases its greatness for me anyway. Baseball is great in summer when I feel lazy and you can just sit back and watch and its not super-intense all the time (helps me wind down after hockey season, lol). Hockey is definetaly my favourite sport, but everything has its advantages....so don't put them down or I'll rage, , lol.

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This game wasn't planned this week.
And those TV contracts are multi-year deals that were signed way before this game was cooked up. Besides, ESPN's responsibility is to make money, which means 1. honouring their TV contracts, and 2. putting on the programming that will get the highest ratings and hence bring in the most advertising money.

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Maybe they shouldn't keep handing teams to the US if they aren't going to support them then?

thats right, cause canada is doing a great job of supporting their franchises...

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thats right, cause canada is doing a great job of supporting their franchises...
Indeed they are. This isn't supposed to be personal, but it's true.

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IMO Best sport to watch :
1- Hockey
2- Football
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3- Basketball
4- Soccer
5- Tennis
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6- Baseball
7- Golf

IMO best sports to play:
1- Hockey (the best game ever)
2- Football
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3- Soccer
4- Basketball
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5- Tennis
6- Baseball
7- Golf

still sad to see desinterest by the USA on this sport

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You should care about how hockey does in the US. The NHL is suffering financially in Canada and suffering in number of fans in the US. That double whammy is what is going to cause a lockout in the next year or two.

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But College football is the ultimate sport, you get to see a top ranked team win by 50 points!!!!!!! WHATS BETTER THEN THAT

BTW, I was forced to watch the heritage game, we didn't get the football game in Canada

If you can't tell that was a joke, I could care less about hockey in USA, they would put hockey on the air if the demand was high enough, it isn't so TOUGH.


I don't see any Americans complaining in this thread, only Canadians. I find that's usually the case with threads like these, or really any thread that's a U.S./Canada comparison. Are you really that insecure? You're sitting here downgrading a sport (college football) that I believe is older than the NHL and has just as rabid of a following in this country as hockey does in Canada. BTW, I think Americans have supported the concept of an outdoor game, to the tune of 70,000+ at an outdoor game that was played between Michigan and Michigan State. That's right, two COLLEGE hockey teams. Get over yourself.

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This game wasn't planned this week.
Doesn't mean they can get out of the contract.

Then again, ESPN wouldn't want to show Montreal and Edmonton over College Football. Americans don't want to see Edmonton and Montreal (well I do but I'm not your typical American Hockey fan). Perhaps a better effort would have been made if the game was played 3 weeks later, or the game featured Detroit and Colorado or Rangers and Bruins.

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Maybe if Canadians werent so nationalistic about Hockey there would be more fans in the US. So many Canadians have the attitude that Hockey belongs to them, and all the Americans, Russians, Czechs, etc out there who play the game are somehow unworthy or are stealing it.

Let me also point out that Americans do not like to compete on an iternational stage. American players dominate football and basketball, and until recently baseball. Soccer, which is the most international sport and one we can barely compete in, has the lowest rating of any major sport, and would fall off the ratings map completely if it weren't for immigrants from Latin America.

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Soccer, which is the most international sport and one we can barely compete in, has the lowest rating of any major sport, and would fall off the ratings map completely if it weren't for immigrants from Latin America.
That and it is a complete bore to watch.....

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You should care about how hockey does in the US. The NHL is suffering financially in Canada and suffering in number of fans in the US. That double whammy is what is going to cause a lockout in the next year or two.
The only serious problem with the game in Canada is the requirement to pay for contracts in US dollars while revenues are generated in Canadian dollars. Fan support is very healthy in all Canadian markets and only the currency disparity causes any problems. Fix this "minor" problem and you fix the whole problem from the Canadian perspective. That doesn't change the problems that the US teams are suffering from (no support). The people keep coming out in Canada, unfortunately they don't with any consistency in the US.

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Maybe they shouldn't keep handing teams to the US if they aren't going to support them then?
I dont remember a team in the heritage classic being from the US. I wouldve watched the game , but i was off supporting the st. louis blues with my season tickets.

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do i have to explain why chicago has the 2nd lowest attendance and a fan base so small that no small market team could survive with?


i dunno about the rest of the country, but chicago has simply been choked out of the hockey market by Bill Wirt$$$$$$$$$$$$ regime.

i guess the biggest reason chicago has no support for the hawks is because Wirtz doesnt care about fans, and unless its the Bears or the god awful Cubs(who are blessed with Wrigley Field), and to a degree the Bulls, the fans just simply tune out the team, which means they tune out the sport.

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well, a major problem with the fall of hockey in the USA is that there is no teams in main cities to root for. Neitehr NY team is close to contending, Chicago has blown for 15 years, and Los Angeles has been nothing to call home about the past few years either. The big markets are New Jersey (which is close to NY and would logically draw fans, but their boring trap style of play scares away potential fans), Colorado (Loyal fans, but Denver is reletively small and in the middle of nowhere), and Detroit (Smack-dab in a ghetto). Hockey has no chance unless big name cities can get good teams (and the death of Wirtz couldnt hurt either)

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