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10-24-2006, 10:44 AM
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What could the Habs get for Rivet?

Yes, I know I'm jumping the gun, however the cruel hard reality is that we won't be able to keep all our ufa defense.(not sure I want to ) What type of return could we get for a stay at home, big heart, team guy like Rivet? Yes, he's not the fastest or flashy but Rivet is a valuable commodity! Great dressing room guys/team spirit guys with defensive skill are at a premium...just ask the flyers!

Bottom line...do we trade him and what do we get in return?

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10-24-2006, 10:46 AM
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We can get back a Rivet-like defenseman or forward.

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Maybe it's just me but we have way too many threads about next year when this year has barely even started.

Things will change over the course of the season, but it seems that the way Souray has started this year, it will be VERY hard to sign him and fit him under our cap space.

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Maybe it's just me but we have way too many threads about next year when this year has barely even started.
On an unrelated note, I think that it should be clear to everyone that the season has indeed started and team must realize that slacking off during this stretch will come back and bite them in the *** in the end. I'm growing pretty tired hearing comments like this, although this is by no means a jab at you because I know that you meant it in a totally different context. Noneless I just felt like saying this to everyone else.

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Maybe it's just me but we have way too many threads about next year when this year has barely even started.

Things will change over the course of the season, but it seems that the way Souray has started this year, it will be VERY hard to sign him and fit him under our cap space.
Agreed. As Habs fans we had better hope exclusively for one of the two following outcomes on the Rivet front:

1) We re-sign him.
2) We get nothing for him.

Because the only way we end up making a trade involving our impending-UFA defensemen is if the season is a total writeoff.

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10-24-2006, 11:04 AM
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On an unrelated note, I think that it should be clear to everyone that the season has indeed started and team must realize that slacking off during this stretch will come back and bite them in the *** in the end. I'm growing pretty tired hearing comments like this, although this is by no means a jab at you because I know that you meant it in a totally different context. Noneless I just felt like saying this to everyone else.
Yes because we all know that the true tale sign of a team's capabolities is in October.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

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10-24-2006, 11:06 AM
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Yes because we all know that the true tale sign of a team's capabolities is in October.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.
Well, if we didn't go cold November-December in the last season we wouldn't be praying for every point down the stretch and roll over playing top ranked teams of the East in the early rounds of the playoffs.

You wish we played someone like Philly or New York last year instead of Carolina first round, don't you?

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He'd be of MORE used to us in the playoffs then anything we could get in return.

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On an unrelated note, I think that it should be clear to everyone that the season has indeed started and team must realize that slacking off during this stretch will come back and bite them in the *** in the end. I'm growing pretty tired hearing comments like this, although this is by no means a jab at you because I know that you meant it in a totally different context. Noneless I just felt like saying this to everyone else.
Who has suggested that 2 points in November count less than in March ? They're looking to win every game as far as I can see. I hope they play .700 in November/December. Who's slacking off ? They haven't mailed in any efforts.

Like BG said, if you look to deal a Rivet, you get a player in a similar situation, impending ufa, average player. He's needed to play well, more than he is to be moved. If he's moved at the deadline, it's a sign that the team doesn't need him as no playoff run is expected. If I read Gainey's intentions here, he felt defensive depth was more important than an offensive C or why get Niiniimaa ?

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I have never been a fan of Rivet's......I personally think his negatives out way the positives as a hockey player. He looses the puck a lot, makes a lot of crappy passes that usually get intercepted, most of the time looses the man he's supposed to be covering etc.

I will say that he does have amazing team spirit tho. Unfortunately you need more than just team spirit to be a good hockey player.

Really think Chris Higgins deserves that A more than Rivet does

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I have never been a fan of Rivet's......I personally think his negatives out way the positives as a hockey player. He looses the puck a lot, makes a lot of crappy passes that usually get intercepted, most of the time looses the man he's supposed to be covering etc.

I will say that he does have amazing team spirit tho. Unfortunately you need more than just team spirit to be a good hockey player.

Really think Chris Higgins deserves that A more than Rivet does

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He'd be of MORE used to us in the playoffs then anything we could get in return.

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Yeah, except if we fall out of the playoffs, there is no reason to be sellers.

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10-24-2006, 01:08 PM
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Yes, I know I'm jumping the gun, however the cruel hard reality is that we won't be able to keep all our ufa defense.(not sure I want to ) What type of return could we get for a stay at home, big heart, team guy like Rivet? Yes, he's not the fastest or flashy but Rivet is a valuable commodity! Great dressing room guys/team spirit guys with defensive skill are at a premium...just ask the flyers!

Bottom line...do we trade him and what do we get in return?
probably a 4th round pick at most... considering he's a UFA d-man.... I dont think its worth giving him up though.... unless we are completely out of playoff contention at the deadline

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probably a 4th round pick at most... considering he's a UFA d-man.... I dont think its worth giving him up though.... unless we are completely out of playoff contention at the deadline
I don't know about a 4th rounder. Jesus, Witt went for a 1st rounder last year and he's comparible. I guess you have to find a team desperate enough and you can get more then expected, if you're a seller.

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hmm i dont think we should trade him. instead i think we should ask what do we get from rivet? leadership. you need it for a team like ours where there is lots of younger players. rivet may be slow, he may be a liability in some areas... the rivet-haters out there could create a better list out there.

i don't think we should trade rivet unless we have to (i.e. we need the space for signing souray and markov or something like that.)

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I don't know about a 4th rounder. Jesus, Witt went for a 1st rounder last year and he's comparible. I guess you have to find a team desperate enough and you can get more then expected, if you're a seller.
that trade raised alot of eyebrows... it all depends on how desperate the other team is... I'd say a 4th rounder is fair

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Markov or Sourray would get much more return than Rivet, even as rental players at the deadline... sooo trading Rivet is less likely to happen.

Plus, I see Rivet as the most lieky of the 3 to resign anyway... so no, don't trade him.

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Yeah, except if we fall out of the playoffs, there is no reason to be sellers.
If we fall out of the playoffs Rivet would be the LEAST of our problems

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I don't know about a 4th rounder. Jesus, Witt went for a 1st rounder last year and he's comparible. I guess you have to find a team desperate enough and you can get more then expected, if you're a seller.
Jesus & Witt??? for a 1st rounder???

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Jesus & Witt??? for a 1st rounder???
What was Jesus' plus/minus like last season though?

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What was Jesus' plus/minus like last season though?
He spent most of his time in the penalty box for fighting Miroslav Satan.

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