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10-25-2006, 08:17 PM
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What's the status with Shane Doan? I saw he only played about 9 minutes last game, was he injured, or just benched?

I know Gretzky loves him, but would a Biron and Kotalik for Doan deal work, or would something need to be added?

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10-25-2006, 08:44 PM
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well Doan would be a good player for us. It would be impossible to deal biron for nothing that isn't a huge overpayment. Marty is a real nice guy to have to give miller a rest(or incase of injury) and we don't really loose much in net between the two.. I would love to trade marty biron and let him lead a team.(he is good) But we need our team to be strong this year. Kotalik has had a slow start but he has all the little things you like in a hockey player.


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From what i herd in buffalo.. it was not that marty did not have offers. but our leadership wanted ALOT for him. darcy pretty much says it will have to be a huge over payment and that trading marty is off his agenda

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10-25-2006, 09:20 PM
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Seeing as Phoenix just called up Don Maclean and Matt Jones I'd say something is up. Why do you put Morrison on waivers and then not call up Leneveu ?

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10-25-2006, 09:42 PM
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fair payment for a starting goaltender entering his prime
except you get less for him b/c PHO knows you have Miller and he's your guy and don't have as much of a need for Biron...

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10-25-2006, 09:48 PM
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why would Buffalo do anything right now?

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What's the status with Shane Doan? I saw he only played about 9 minutes last game, was he injured, or just benched?

I know Gretzky loves him, but would a Biron and Kotalik for Doan deal work, or would something need to be added?
Buffalo does not need Doan...why break up chemestry?

The team is the best in the NHL by far right now, why make any moves at all?

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10-25-2006, 11:00 PM
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why would Buffalo do anything right now?
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10-25-2006, 11:02 PM
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Seeing as Phoenix just called up Don Maclean and Matt Jones I'd say something is up. Why do you put Morrison on waivers and then not call up Leneveu ?
LeNeveu was called up. It was in the USA today under transactions I believe. Definately under the radar.

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10-25-2006, 11:06 PM
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Seeing as Phoenix just called up Don Maclean and Matt Jones I'd say something is up. Why do you put Morrison on waivers and then not call up Leneveu ?
Maclean called up since Doan will be out for a little while and Jones called up hopefully so Seidenberg can have a seat for a few games.

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10-25-2006, 11:29 PM
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Phoenix needs goaltending and Buffalo needs nothing immediatly but Biron wants to be a number 1. So this seems to make some sense to me

To Buf: 2nd, Morrison and Wheeler

To Yotes: Biron and a 3rd
Morrison is on waivers

try again

for Biron

start talking about first rounders

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10-25-2006, 11:41 PM
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Morrison is on waivers

try again

for Biron

start talking about first rounders
might as well stop talking then

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10-26-2006, 12:58 AM
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Morrison is on waivers

try again

for Biron

start talking about first rounders
You want a top five pick for Martin Biron? Are you crazy? Who went fifth overall last year? Phil Kessel, right? Would Phil Kessel be a fair return for Martin Biron? Gilbert Brule was the fifth pick the year before, I believe. Do you think you could get a player like Brule for Biron? He's not even a starter.

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10-26-2006, 12:32 PM
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You want a top five pick for Martin Biron? Are you crazy? Who went fifth overall last year? Phil Kessel, right? Would Phil Kessel be a fair return for Martin Biron? Gilbert Brule was the fifth pick the year before, I believe. Do you think you could get a player like Brule for Biron? He's not even a starter.

Biron will start on a team that needs a goalie. I don't think he is worth a top 5 pick. But he is worth alot to the team overall. right now i would take biron over kessel on this team. for this season.. even as a back up. marty is a starting goal tender. so we don't really loose too much skill when miller needs a rest.

good luck rebuilding. i sure hope you don't end up 5th overall. everyone was talking about how good your team is going to be. We want to make something real good now and i am sure you can respect that.

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10-26-2006, 12:40 PM
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Bad deal considering Morrison is on waivers... but then again you knew that.

If Morrison wasn't on waivers Bufflao still wouldn't put the trigger. What is morrison 0-3 with a 7 gaa?

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10-26-2006, 01:02 PM
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Biron is a pretty good goalie but I don't think the Sabres will be able to pluck top prospects or high picks off any team.

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10-26-2006, 03:11 PM
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To defend my proposal, I think that the Yotes can't afford as a franchise to go into rebuilding mode. And I belive the team can most certainly turn it around and that should start from the goal out. Morrison was just thrown in haphazardly due to Buffalo needing a backup. And regarding Wheeler he appears to me to be a 4 year college player that will need a ahl stint before he ever see's the NHL. So Phoenix is in dire straits now and mueller can fill the same role as wheeler and is arguably a better prospect. And the pick can be conditional on signing Biron or just drop the phoenix pick all together. And I fully relize that Buffalo is a ideal team right now, the trade is based solely on the Yotes needs.

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10-27-2006, 10:01 AM
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Sabres do not have any need to make any deals at this time

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10-27-2006, 10:19 AM
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Are you retarded?

Honestly man what could possibly have made you think that post was nessecary. I have repeatedly stated the sabres don't need to trade. Seriously man, what the hell.

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10-27-2006, 01:24 PM
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if phoenix has already given up on the season then i'll agree it's overpayment. but it's only 10 games in.

Biron is a very good goaltender. he is way above average. Phoenix would be a .500 team with Biron right now. and if they could get a little chemistry offensively they could compete for a playoff spot in the west.
Just wondering how much of a difference Biron is going to be when in PHO's has scored a total of 8 goals in their 8 losses?

Bottom line - Biron wouldn't help PHO at this point in time IMO. They're so bad defensively that nothing short of a 4x6 sheet of plexiglass is is going to help them. It's definetely not worth trading a guy like Wheeler for PHO to make a desperation move at this point in time.

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10-27-2006, 04:00 PM
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Just wondering how much of a difference Biron is going to be when in PHO's has scored a total of 8 goals in their 8 losses?

Bottom line - Biron wouldn't help PHO at this point in time IMO. They're so bad defensively that nothing short of a 4x6 sheet of plexiglass is is going to help them. It's definetely not worth trading a guy like Wheeler for PHO to make a desperation move at this point in time.
Wait, I mean

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Corrected for you.

Shutup. Biron is an above average goaltender. You just don't see enough of him to be able to judge his play nowadays. He makes big saves and keeps pucks out of the net. He is at least 3 times better than Joseph is.

There will be no deal made here.

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10-27-2006, 04:17 PM
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He is at least 3 times better than Joseph is.
I can't argue with science.

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Shutup. Biron is an above average goaltender. You just don't see enough of him to be able to judge his play nowadays. He makes big saves and keeps pucks out of the net. He is at least 3 times better than Joseph is.

There will be no deal made here.
Lol, compare Joseph's career numbers to Biron's...nevermind, there's no comparison. Saying he's 3x the goalie Joseph is, even at their respective stages of careers, is a bit extreme.

I think Phoenix's defence corps will come around (they were highly touted coming into the season) and that should reflect favourably in Joseph's numbers as we go along. I don't think the injury to Ballard can be all to blame, but getting him back will obviously improve matters as well.

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There will be no deal made here.
Agreed.

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Wait, I mean
I really look at the bright side on this - the Yotes have the talent but it obviously hasn't gelled yet. Most teams that have major acquisitions take a while to come together, and I think that the the case in PHO. Jovo only has played 40'ish games in the last 2 years, and I think he'll come around, with JR & Nolan in the same (or worse) boat. I really think that the bad start can be erased w/ a two week hotstreak when the team gels. The important thing is that the teams best players (Nagy, Doan, Comrie) need to start playing like it. I will say that I've been very impressed w/ Lisin & Yandle so that's a silver lining in the bad start as well.

It is funny though how the "magical" Biron would save the day in PHO when the real issue is that the team only scored 2 goals in one of their losses, and has been shut out 3 times. In his career so far, Biron has never gotten a below average team (which is what PHO is right now) into the play-off's in 3-4 tries as the starter.

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