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View Poll Results: Would you be open to signing Bondra, assuming the terms are right?
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10-26-2006, 03:46 AM
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Bondra

Note that this is a month-and-a-half-old thread that I'm now updating so as not to start a new thread on the same topic. The news is that Bondra has now signed with the Blackhawks. Click HERE to skip to the new replies.

Let me throw this out there for good discussion, if nothing else...

As the Summer wound down and free agent after free agent passed on the Kings (ex. Elias, Shanahan, Lindros, Nolan, Dumont, Kozlov), I grew more and more hopeful (naturally) that one of the current Kings would elevate his play and fill that hole in the top-6 that Lombardi was trying to fill for months. That hasn't happened after 11 games.

I think that we may safely say now that this team has a dilemma as to who to play with Kopitar and Frolov. It seems like almost every candidate has been tried at that position: Brown, Avery, Willsie, Cammalleri, O'Sullivan... all without much success so far. There's also the problem of the ineffective powerplay. The way that I see it...

Problem #1: No RW to play with Kopitar and Frolov.
Problem #2: No established PP threat at forward to direct the play.

I'm starting to think that a solution to both of these problems might be Bondra. Here's the reasoning:

1) He's a pure finisher. He is exactly what Kopitar needs.
2) He's a PP specialist. He'd be perfect to direct the PP from the half-wall and then sneak into the slot to receive passes from Kopitar and Frolov. We all know that this PP needs help and direction.

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3) He's Ukrainian-born and might bring more out of Frolov. Alex might also learn a few things from him, particularly how to snipe (he needs to learn to shoot!).
4) He's a long-toothed veteran who might be good for the whole team by adding some stability and leadership to the top-6. Having a guy to look to who's been around the block is not a bad idea.

He scored 21 goals last year and here's a quote from his agent: "Peter was on pace to record 40-plus goals and over 80 points last year before he got hurt, and he and I expect he will do the same next year over the course of the entire 2006-07 season." So, apparently, he started out very strong, got hurt, had trouble producing after that (maybe still wasn't 100%), got traded at the deadline and did better with Ottawa.

So, would you be open to the idea of signing Bondra if it were to a 1-year, low-cost (probably $1M or less) contract? I think that, a few weeks ago, most of us would've preferred to see how things went instead of signing Bondra, but does the outlook after 11 games change anything?

Personally, I think that the Kings just don't have what they really need in any of the current roster and such a signing might be just the thing. Would you do it? If not, please give your reasons. If there are good reasons against it, I'm more than open to them. Really, I would just like to see if anyone else is thinking along the same lines as me or not.


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10-26-2006, 03:53 AM
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wasn't he going to retire?

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10-26-2006, 03:57 AM
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wasn't he going to retire?
Agent: Bondra not set to retire
Who knows if attracting no interest this Summer changed his mind, but I haven't read of him filing papers yet. He may still be waiting for a desperate team (like the Kings) to come calling.

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Might as well give him a chance then I really don't see anything to loose here.

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No...and thats final.

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I think Bondra is a good move, provided it's a low dollar contract. The Kings are going to heat up after the all-star break (as I've been saying all along). Everyone is going crazy to see the Kings get a slow start, something that hasn't happened in several years. But this team will find itself this season, and they will play hockey that will win them games; we've seen it in spurts in the first 10 games. They just need to bring it all together, and they will. But if they have some help with Bondra now, it's a win-win, because he can always be moved at the deadline.

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10-26-2006, 04:14 AM
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3) He's Russian and might bring more out of Frolov.
FWIW, He was born in Russia but grew up in Slovakia and is generally considered to be a Slovak. He plays for Slovakia in international play.

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Bondra?

We must dump veterans to let the kids play, not sign them...
We have enough overpaid grey beards on this team.

Bring up Tukonen and Pushkarev.

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But if they have some help with Bondra now, it's a win-win, because he can always be moved at the deadline.
Good point. If he doesn't work out or if a youngster finds a new level of play, he can always be traded... and, even if he does work out, he could be traded for a decent return. Last Spring, he fetched a decent AHLer and a 2nd-round pick from the Senators. Just getting a 2nd-round pick back to replace the one that went for Cloutier would be very nice.

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10-26-2006, 04:20 AM
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FWIW, He was born in Russia but grew up in Slovakia and is generally considered to be a Slovak. He plays for Slovakia in international play.
Thanks for the correction. It did seem odd to me when I noticed that he was born in Russia. I do recall him playing for Slovakia now.

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10-26-2006, 04:45 AM
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Hell yes I'm open to the idea. Osprey, your reasoning is exactly what I was thinking after lastnights game.

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10-26-2006, 05:04 AM
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Nah I wouldn't do it. Honestly I want a top 5 pick this year in the draft. Angelo!

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FWIW, He was born in Russia but grew up in Slovakia and is generally considered to be a Slovak. He plays for Slovakia in international play.

Actually he was born in what is now Ukraine, but hey. It was all the Soviet Union back then.

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10-26-2006, 05:18 AM
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We must dump veterans to let the kids play, not sign them...
The only kid who might be squeezed out of the top-6 is Brown, and he hasn't shown that he belongs there, anyways. Besides, Kopitar and Frolov's development is more important (and urgent in Alex's case) than Brown's, wouldn't you agree?
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We have enough overpaid grey beards on this team.
How is ~$1M for a 20-30 goal-scorer overpaid?


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omg............

let the Joung Guns grow up.
We had a complete House cleaning........
Why the Hell should we get People back, that we shiped away ???

Give Time to the Guys in the black-silver Shirt.
Let this Season pass by..... whatch some Games....
Have a nice Pick in the Draft...and wait for the next Season and JJ.
I promise to you, this one will be a huge different one.....
Stay patient.........

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bondra should be signed....to play in kopitar-frolov line...imagine how many more points for all of them...especially kopitar...both of them (and others too) could learn lot from him....

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I definately would, but NOT so the Kings will win more games. I'd do it:

a) so the ending scores are less embarrassing (6-3 instead of 6-1), and

b) so the Kings can trade him at the deadline and get at least a 2nd rounder. Who knows? He could really heat up & be swapped for a 1st rounder!


PS: You know what's funny? I was actually going to start a similar thread tonight and call it "Bondra!", as opposed to "Bondra?" LoL

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Bondra I done, I feel.

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Is there a point when the accumulating losses, due in part to a lack of scoring, will have a deleterious effect on the psyche of the players, particularly the younger players?

I think there is such a point. For this reason alone, I think Lombardi and Crawford have to look closely at what they're doing here. I'm not saying that Bondra is the answer. Rather, can this team continue on the path it's on and stay positive?

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No, just because I'm not sure he'd make all that much difference with his age at this point. It would be another "Once was" signing seen so often in the later years of the Gretzky era when they desperately needed to get younger. With this lineup he'd be in the log jam around the perimeter firering off 40ft shots. No thanks, bring up Tuk and Kanko and let some of the crap leave.

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if we're gonna suck....let's just suck now. We know that there can be a huge difference in drafting top 5 versus second 5. Bondra is at most a 1 maybe 2 year player, I don't think we will be SC contenders within that timeline. Bondra, in my opinion will take up time that the young guys need. They need to have growing pains and we need to get a full season read on where these guys are, who develops chemistry together, and also what this team needs in the future.

It sucks to suck...but if we continue with the youth movement at least there is a point to this season. We need to be thicker skinned, and patient with the young guys, understanding that their is a huge learning curve between juniors and even the AHL. We also should be holding our vets like Blake, Conroy, Cloutier and
Miller accountable for their play at ALL times.

Mistakes by youth are teaching opportunities, mistakes by vets are unacceptable.

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Is there a point when the accumulating losses, due in part to a lack of scoring, will have a deleterious effect on the psyche of the players, particularly the younger players?

I think there is such a point. For this reason alone, I think Lombardi and Crawford have to look closely at what they're doing here. I'm not saying that Bondra is the answer. Rather, can this team continue on the path it's on and stay positive?
That's the only reason why I'd sign him.

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i've mentioned this several times already... i'd have done this (sign Bondra) yesterday.

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I'd definitely be in favor of getting Bondra or a similar player. I think Lombardi made a big mistake after trading away our best forward (Demitra) by only signing a bunch of muckers (Thorton, Willsie, Bur..er..McCauley) to a team that already had a ton of grinders. The lack of goal scoring is painful. Cammy is doing pretty much as expected and Kopitar has been a pleasant surprise, but none of the other forwards have "stepped up" and in some cases (Conroy) they have gone the opposite direction. This team needs help, pure and simple.


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