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10-29-2006, 09:11 PM
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Monteal Rated 6th in organizational prospect ranking!!

This just proves that despite drafting for need we have been doing excellent job spotting great talent, time to congratulate our scouts on finding great talent year after year!!

I'd also like give kudos to Gainey for not panicking and also for having patience in our prospects!!

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10-29-2006, 09:15 PM
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Although I agree that we've done a good job in drafting recently, we have to remember that these rankings are just someones opinion and mean nothing.

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10-29-2006, 09:18 PM
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we were second last year, I think.

Plekanec, Higgins and Perezhogin graduated, though.

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we were second last year, I think.

Plekanec, Higgins and Perezhogin graduated, though.
Actually, we were 5th.

Due to this ranking, the main board will explode, I'll bet vcash on it.

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10-29-2006, 09:22 PM
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So who's *** were those rankings pulled out of?

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10-29-2006, 09:26 PM
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Pretty accurate, although they still list many players as prospect that play in the NHL, so it is not as up to date as it says.

Penner,Lats,etc.

We do have i believe one ofthe top pools of talent in our stables. They did not mention the D we had before the last draft. Obyrne and emelin are 2 that stand out. We really have little weakness at any position in our youngsters. The next drafts we will be able to just take the best player available.

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Seeing who's ahead of us, its reasonable.

Pittsburgh(Malkin, Staal, Welch)
LA(Kopitar, O'Sullivan, Johnson, Bernier)
Chicago(Barker, Toews, Bolland)
Washington(Semin, Green, Backstrom)
Columbus(Brule, Brassard, Leclaire)

And we managed to stay ahead of Minnesota and Anaheim

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Huzzah, we are no. 6 on a random list! This must proves that Gainey is God!

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Seriously though, shouldn't we be drafting the players on the team that came from our system instead of putting educated guesses on players that are years away from acutally having an impact?

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10-29-2006, 10:13 PM
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it atleast validates the fact that

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Huzzah, we are no. 6 on a random list! This must proves that Gainey is God!

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Seriously though, shouldn't we be drafting the players on the team that came from our system instead of putting educated guesses on players that are years away from acutally having an impact?
our management is making right choices.

Our management has been drafting for need the last few years but despite that we'r still getting very good prospects, and I really like that our management is looking forward and they seem to have better clue then other GM's...

Just imagine how leaf fans are feeling, every year they either trade their picks or prospects for quick fix, but Gainey is using opposite approach, and he actually wants to buil;d long term winner rather then one year wonder!!

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I've loved the last drafts. I'd still love to have Kopitar on that 2nd line tho.

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Huzzah, we are no. 6 on a random list! This must proves that Gainey is God!

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Seriously though, shouldn't we be drafting the players on the team that came from our system instead of putting educated guesses on players that are years away from acutally having an impact?
don't underestimate the importance for amateurs scouting and the job that people here on HF do... I think they are doing a great job and give us something to hope for

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Imagine if we had picked Brule instead of Price

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Although this is pure opinion, when it comes to prospects what isn't opinion.
I am proud of Bob and co.'s decision making and drafting in renent years. All this does is prove that Canadiens fans have a reason to stick our chests out.

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I love how people are more than happy to use a webboard maintained by Hockey's Future, but are also more than happy to crap all over HF articles.

That's kind of like going (repeatedly) into Krispy Kreme, eating the free donut, and then moaning about how horrible it is to everyone in earshot.

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I love how people are more than happy to use a webboard maintained by Hockey's Future, but are also more than happy to crap all over HF articles.

That's kind of like going (repeatedly) into Krispy Kreme, eating the free donut, and then moaning about how horrible it is to everyone in earshot.
lol I used to do that. I'd go into Krispy Kreme, get the free donut, and be reminded why I never actually buy them.

They promptly went out of business here... In town for less than a year.

I have no opinion about HF articles, though. They seem well articulated, but that's as much as I'm willing to say.

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I love how people are more than happy to use a webboard maintained by Hockey's Future, but are also more than happy to crap all over HF articles.

That's kind of like going (repeatedly) into Krispy Kreme, eating the free donut, and then moaning about how horrible it is to everyone in earshot.
First of all, Hockey's Future is a business who make money off of this board: they're not in it because of generosity.

Second of all, who writes this stuff, who's opinions are they? Why should I respect writers that hide behind the moniker of "HF STAFF". If they want respect, have them write out the name of every contributor so that I know in 5 years who to congratulate or who to claim doesn't know anything about hockey.

Third of all, those rankings sound more like a popularity and/or hype contest to me than anything else. If they are not a popularity contest, then please explain the systematic approach used to calculate those ratings.

Fourth of all, free speech.

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They provide a rationale for the rankings. I enjoy reading the articles.

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Do the rankings honestly matter?

At least most Habs fans learn to take these things in stride. We have been up there for so many years now that we take it for granted.

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Huzzah, we are no. 6 on a random list! This must proves that Gainey is God!

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Seriously though, shouldn't we be drafting the players on the team that came from our system instead of putting educated guesses on players that are years away from acutally having an impact?
Weeb, I'm not trying to be a smartass here but I don't understand what you mean.

How can you 'draft' players from your system ? Do you mean 'rating' minor pros as opposed to amateurs ? If the 2 words are just mixed, yeah, I can agree, rating guys on the farm or minor pros is differnt than rating a Maxwell who may be a revelation, or may be a solid scorer in the SEL.

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10-30-2006, 10:11 AM
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The reason for this in my opinion.

A) Yann Danis is an NHL calibre goalie who can perform.
B) Carey Price is getting really close to being able to play at an NHL level and looks like a solid goaltender. Looks like he "COULD" be the next Patrick Roy for us.
C) Kostitsyn was picked 10th over all, imo he should've been picked higher but due to "epilepsy" which he doesn't even have, was picked lower. (And Kosty never had a seizure on the ice)
D) Chipchura could be a decent forward in the semi-near future.

E T C

Nuff said, Habs have great management since Gainey came.

Glad Claude Julien is gone.

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Do the rankings honestly matter?

At least most Habs fans learn to take these things in stride. We have been up there for so many years now that we take it for granted.
One thing habs fans have learned most over the years. Don't take it for granted that your getting the good deal out of a trade (cause chances are if it's the habs... (especially pre Gainey) the trade is going to be better for the other team). Another thing we've all learned is to not trust anything about what people say about the "up and coming" superstars. *Cough*Daigle*Cough*(yes I know, that's Ottawa but we've drafted people who were crap before also and they were sposed to be good).

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In general, I would like to thank Timmins, Gainey, Savard and all the scouts for their great work! I love our future, I'm pretty confident!


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First of all, Hockey's Future is a business who make money off of this board: they're not in it because of generosity.
Obviously.

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Second of all, who writes this stuff, who's opinions are they? Why should I respect writers that hide behind the moniker of "HF STAFF". If they want respect, have them write out the name of every contributor so that I know in 5 years who to congratulate or who to claim doesn't know anything about hockey.
They decide to publish their work under a common moniker, but the contributors are clearly noted on all team pages, are they not?

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Third of all, those rankings sound more like a popularity and/or hype contest to me than anything else. If they are not a popularity contest, then please explain the systematic approach used to calculate those ratings.
Oh come on. You're acting as if all rankings need to be rooted in some sort of calculated formula independent of anyone's opinion, which is IMHO practically impossible to do. It's not even desirable to do; the most hilarious rankings are usually due to someone trying to apply a strict formula to perform the ranking and not bothering to fix it where the formula fails (or using a formula that ends up with an awful bias).

Essentially, you're dismissing all rankings as worthless. That's fine, but don't single out HF as if they're the only ones doing it.

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Fourth of all, free speech.
Ok... I don't recall telling you to shut up or anything. I simply made an observation. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to comment on your opinion. Free speech, surprisingly enough, works both ways.

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Just imagine how leaf fans are feeling, every year they either trade their picks or prospects for quick fix, but Gainey is using opposite approach, and he actually wants to buil;d long term winner rather then one year wonder!!
Err, unless I have been living under a rock, they are actually doing much better with their farm system (no matter what you think of the Raycroft/Rask deal, besides, he ain't that old so I'll leave judgement tell later). They had absolutely nothing, trading all their picks for old geezers that play at most 1 season, and all of a sudden this stops and there's prospects in their system again. And out pops Wellwood and Steen as well as Pogge, Earl and Williams in the wings. Considering the apocalyptic hell that was their farm system, I would say they are moving rather rapidly in the right direction. I still agree with HF's review of the Leafs prospects but given enough years and a continual building of their farm system, they will most likely be respectable again in some time. Yes, our system is hands down better than theirs but to say they are still making all those dumb moves is just wrong. Besides, even with their crappy picks, they seem to pick a lot of good players considering. Personally if I was a Leafs fan I think I could hope to be hopeful again after waaaay too many years of moronic management screw ups.

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