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11-24-2003, 08:12 AM
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Scott Walker for Petr Schastlivy + ????

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Walker + Arkhipov for Bonk + Schastlivy?

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Schastlivy is not worth even close to what Scott brings to the Predators. The + would have to be something significant for this trade to be at all worthwile for the Predators. Why would we give up our unspoken leader and a top 6er for a forward that is struggling on the most offensively stacked team in the league??? It doesn't make sense.

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Schastlivy is not worth even close to what Scott brings to the Predators. The + would have to be something significant for this trade to be at all worthwile for the Predators. Why would we give up our unspoken leader and a top 6er for a forward that is struggling on the most offensively stacked team in the league??? It doesn't make sense.
I wouldn't dismiss some kind of deal for Schastlivy. He is pulling 4th line duty now and has the profile of a finishing forward. I think something could (and should) be worked out that would benefit BOTH teams. Ray Shero still has connections to Ottawa...

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Schastlivy is not worth even close to what Scott brings to the Predators. The + would have to be something significant for this trade to be at all worthwile for the Predators. Why would we give up our unspoken leader and a top 6er for a forward that is struggling on the most offensively stacked team in the league??? It doesn't make sense.
That's why there was a + ???? at the end of the thread title.

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I wouldn't dismiss some kind of deal for Schastlivy. He is pulling 4th line duty now and has the profile of a finishing forward. I think something could (and should) be worked out that would benefit BOTH teams. Ray Shero still has connections to Ottawa...
I also agree here regarding Schastlivy. He would be a solid addition to the 2nd line in Nashville. I would like to see something else come of this "possible" deal, such as Rachunek, Bonk. I know Walker is a fan favorite but the Preds have to ignore emotional ties and plan for several seasons down the line. The Preds already have a couple players who are younger versions of Walker, such as Tootoo, Hartnell.

Scoring seems to be the Preds problem, and I think Schastlivy would be an immediate improvement in that department - at least he would down the road a season or two.

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I also agree here regarding Schastlivy. He would be a solid addition to the 2nd line in Nashville. I would like to see something else come of this "possible" deal, such as Rachunek, Bonk. I know Walker is a fan favorite but the Preds have to ignore emotional ties and plan for several seasons down the line. The Preds already have a couple players who are younger versions of Walker, such as Tootoo, Hartnell.

Scoring seems to be the Preds problem, and I think Schastlivy would be an immediate improvement in that department - at least he would down the road a season or two.
Yes, the Preds are loaded with gritty, hard-working, blue collar leadership types. Scottie is one of my favorites, too-- but taking the long view, Schatslivy has loads more scoring potential. Heck, even this year it would be a wash in goal production at worst.

We have already seen the peak of Walker's scoring potential.

I think it is time for more bold moves on David Poile's part. Both in coaching and on the roster. The cast assembled could make a serious run for the 8th seed. This would increase the odds in favor.

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Why trade one of the hardest working members of the team, for another underachieving "scorer"? Why not send them a player that is performing for us but has "potential" as well? Sending our unsaid leader for an underachiever is pitiful management IMO. Like I said, the + better be significant, or a bigger deal better happen.........otherwise I do not understand the move. Move Arhkipov before you move Walker.....

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Why trade one of the hardest working members of the team, for another underachieving "scorer"? Why not send them a player that is performing for us but has "potential" as well? Sending our unsaid leader for an underachiever is pitiful management IMO. Like I said, the + better be significant, or a bigger deal better happen.........otherwise I do not understand the move. Move Arhkipov before you move Walker.....
how many games has Walker missed this year, because of a "mildly strained groin"?

only twice in his 5 years with the team has he played more than 70 games. 2 years ago he played a whopping 28 games and last year played 60...he's becoming inury prone, time to get something for him, while we can.

"Concussion problems have put a serious dent on his career. Not overly big, he tends to wear down during the course of the 82-game schedule."

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Walker + Arkhipov for Bonk + Schastlivy?
I like this.

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I like this.
and yet you complain about johansson. schastlivy has a terrible reputation for being injury prone. i remember when i proposed delmore for schastlivy last year, ottawa fans argued among each other...

"a decent sniper for a pylon with a hard shot?"

against

"a power play specialist for a glass forward"

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I'd do it more to get bonk than to get Schastlivy. Arkhipov and Schastlivy would be a wash. It's not like Walker isn't injury prone too.

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and yet you complain about johansson. schastlivy has a terrible reputation for being injury prone. i remember when i proposed delmore for schastlivy last year, ottawa fans argued among each other...

"a decent sniper for a pylon with a hard shot?"

against

"a power play specialist for a glass forward"
I just checked he doesn't seem to have a big problem missing games, here are his stats

2003-04 Ottawa NHL 18 5 4 9 +7 10 23 21.7 0.50

2002-03 Ottawa NHL 75 6 17 23 +11 32 93 6.5 0.31

2001-02 TPS Turku Fin 33 16 15 31 +17 93 - - 0.94

2000-01 Vancouver NHL 82 16 20 36 +4 22 163 9.8 0.44

1999-00 Vancouver NHL 71 16 15 31 E 20 101 15.8 0.44

Syracuse AHL 2 0 0 0 E 2 6 0.0 0.00

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Johansson has never played in 71 games in one season and won't this season either.

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well, walker is now officially on the IR, which means he's out at least a week. at least.

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You are dreaming if you think Walker will land you bonk.

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Really, I thought when we posted this stuff it would come true....

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Really, I thought when we posted this stuff it would come true....
Lol, too funny.

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I just checked he doesn't seem to have a big problem missing games, here are his stats

2003-04 Ottawa NHL 18 5 4 9 +7 10 23 21.7 0.50

2002-03 Ottawa NHL 75 6 17 23 +11 32 93 6.5 0.31

2001-02 TPS Turku Fin 33 16 15 31 +17 93 - - 0.94

2000-01 Vancouver NHL 82 16 20 36 +4 22 163 9.8 0.44

1999-00 Vancouver NHL 71 16 15 31 E 20 101 15.8 0.44

Syracuse AHL 2 0 0 0 E 2 6 0.0 0.00
I assume these are the stats for Peter Schaefer, not Petr Schatslivy.

I would be interested in a deal for Schatslivy, but not at the expense of Walker. Schatslivy is a gamble at this point. Sure, he's been on the fourth line, but he also got a chance on a scoring line when Havlat was holding out. He didn't deliver, so now it looks like he will be on Ottawa's fourth line indefinitely. I think we could get him for much cheaper than Walker (like a 3rd rd pick). The guy is almost 24, not established, and injury prone. Again, it's fine by me if we want to give the guy a chance, but NOT at the expense of Walker. When healthy, Walker is the leader of this team. He has expressed interest in signing a long-term deal. Unless something ESTABLISHED is coming back, I would not deal him. Something considerable:

To OTT: Legwand, Walker, +
To NSH: Havlat, Phillips

As for Bonk, he's a good player, but I don't think he's a true difference maker. His salary is a hefty 3.5 million. With the pending changes in the salary structure of NHL, and Ottawa's financial situation, I'd say that there's a decent chance Bonk will not be given a qualifying offer this offseason. He's good, but not worth the money, especially for a team like Ottawa or Nashville.

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Thanks and you are correct, sorry about that.

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I'd take Bonk over Comrie any day of the week and twice on Sunday's. I believe he's a good center and plays well in both ends.

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...Something considerable:

To OTT: Legwand, Walker, +
To NSH: Havlat, Phillips
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Mucklar isn't dumb.
You can't lowball Legwand's value everywhere else on the board and expect him + Walker to yield Havlat and Philips. Unless that '+' represents a 1st round pick, which Poile is not going to yield in this kind of deal.

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Mucklar isn't dumb.
You can't lowball Legwand's value everywhere else on the board and expect him + Walker to yield Havlat and Philips. Unless that '+' represents a 1st round pick, which Poile is not going to yield in this kind of deal.
Since when does my opinion of Lewgand on these boards affect Legwand's trade value in Mucklar's eyes?

If you haven't noticed, Havlat is struggling himself (2 goals this year). He's currently injured. The Sens are playing well below expectations. There are reports that Muckler will shake things up soon.

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I just checked he doesn't seem to have a big problem missing games, here are his stats

2003-04 Ottawa NHL 18 5 4 9 +7 10 23 21.7 0.50

2002-03 Ottawa NHL 75 6 17 23 +11 32 93 6.5 0.31

2001-02 TPS Turku Fin 33 16 15 31 +17 93 - - 0.94

2000-01 Vancouver NHL 82 16 20 36 +4 22 163 9.8 0.44

1999-00 Vancouver NHL 71 16 15 31 E 20 101 15.8 0.44

Syracuse AHL 2 0 0 0 E 2 6 0.0 0.00
That's schaefer, not shastlivy

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That's schaefer, not shastlivy
that's been established.

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