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11-20-2006, 11:40 AM
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Has this board gone nuts?
Are we only interested in rebuilding for next year?
That's the M.O. in Beantown.

1. Rebuild
2. When the prospects become good and want money, trade.
3. Rinse, repeat.

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11-20-2006, 11:43 AM
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That's the M.O. in Beantown.

1. Rebuild
2. When the prospects become good and want money, trade.
3. Rinse, repeat.
That's going to be the MO for every team in the Cap era.

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11-20-2006, 11:57 AM
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You'd trade Chara or Savard?
Probably not, but as we just signed them to long deals I didn't consider them as tradeable.

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And why trade BStuart unless you are convinced he's going to walk or will be unaffordable?
I wouldn't Unless I was convinced he was going elsewhere. That's up-in-the-air. I, for one, want him resigned ASAP.

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For that matter, why trade Murray?
Because I don't like his face. Seriously, though, while Muzz provides a lot of goals and solid play (this season) I've seen too many floating nights, especially in the playoffs, fgor me to personally think he's going to be worth his $4 million over the next two seasons.

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And for what?
Better quality players that will help us more than what we have? That's a pretty open-ended question. I hope it was rhetorical.

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Are we only interested in rebuilding for next year?
I don't think Thomas/Toivonen are the goalies to take us all the way this year...do you? If they are, then build the team around them. If they aren't, you have to improve the goaltending first. I'm not saying blow it up, I'm saying we have to have an open mind if we are going to get a good, #1 goaltender to carry the team for the next 3 years or until Toivonen proves himself a reliable #1 guy.

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Why do we have to be talking about trading players away from a team that is beginning to gel?
Its a discussion board, man. Just discussin'.

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Why trade Boyes, when he is, as you say, cheap and good? In this salary-cap era, that makes no sense unless you can get a very good, relatively young but proven and relatively cheap goalie in return. And even then I would hold off a couple of weeks to see if Toivonen can recover.
I'd trade Boyes for a kid like Wolski in Colorado. I'm not 100%sold on Boyes. He had a good season and has great hockey sense...but if you can flip him for an asset of equal value, I think its got to be considered.

Honestly, just because the team has won (barely) four games does not mean we should stand pat and say "this team is what it is". Lets make sure we are improving it. That will mean some hard decisions and some hurt feelings.

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11-20-2006, 12:01 PM
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From BB.com:

Defenseman Mark Stuart was up with the big club this morning, but not for long.

"He's actually going to go back," said Head Coach Dave Lewis when asked if Mark Stuart will play tonight. "Same lineup [as the Washington game]."

"He doesn't even know yet, I am going to tell him right now. So I am giving you a scoop," he said to the media throng.

"Everything is fine," said Lewis. "We had a little bit of a question mark with a player, but everything is fine."

"It's nothing secretive going on either," said Coach, while he chuckled.

Coach also said that Tim Thomas would start in goal against the Panthers. "


I believe this ends all speculation...

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11-20-2006, 12:16 PM
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Defenseman Mark Stuart was up with the big club this morning, but not for long.

"He's actually going to go back," said Head Coach Dave Lewis when asked if Mark Stuart will play tonight. "Same lineup [as the Washington game]."

"He doesn't even know yet, I am going to tell him right now. So I am giving you a scoop," he said to the media throng.

"Everything is fine," said Lewis. "We had a little bit of a question mark with a player, but everything is fine."

"It's nothing secretive going on either," said Coach, while he chuckled.

Coach also said that Tim Thomas would start in goal against the Panthers. "


I believe this ends all speculation...

Bizzare. Are they saying another defensman was injured and was questionable for tonight- maybe Brad Stuart? I know he took a couple of bad hits the other night, hopefully he's ok or didn't reinjure his finger.

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11-20-2006, 01:05 PM
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OK, got your short list.
But what if you expanded on the thought?

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does adding Chistov make Boyes at all expandable to managment?

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11-20-2006, 01:18 PM
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Mark Stuart played good last year. What's stopping this stupid management over playing him?
so far you have really not impressed me. He is coming back from knee surgery and they are playing it safe... this is a completely different management team, although I guess they are stupid too.

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11-20-2006, 01:25 PM
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does adding Chistov make Boyes at all expandable to managment?
Obviously I'm not hub, but I think they may have been looking to move Boyes or atleast pondering the idea of it before Chistov even came on board. I like what I've seen from Chistov thus far, he's creative, he has had some oppurtunities but hasn't finished, and he controls the puck well and protects it well for a small guy... with that being said I'm not sure I'd be comfortable plugging him with Sturm and Bergeron just yet.. especially being the fact that him and Sturm both pretty much play exclusively LW.

For that reason and the fact that hes a pending UFA it kinda makes sense that they would maybe be more willing to part with Sturm than Boyes but it's possible Boyes could net more in return.

If they were to swing Boyes for Seabrook who we are rumoured to be interested in, IMO we would have to trade B Stu or Mara for a young RW to fill the vacated spot on that line. We would be very young on the back end but I'd personally do it in a second.

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11-20-2006, 01:26 PM
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Bizzare. Are they saying another defensman was injured and was questionable for tonight- maybe Brad Stuart? I know he took a couple of bad hits the other night, hopefully he's ok or didn't reinjure his finger.
Here is my conspiracy theory take:

We called up Stuart because we had a trade in place but it did not come together in time so we are sending him back down due to his cap hit.

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11-20-2006, 01:34 PM
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Here is my conspiracy theory take:

We called up Stuart because we had a trade in place but it did not come together in time so we are sending him back down due to his cap hit.
After reading Fluto's blog again for the second time, you may be on to something about a trade that isn't completed or for whatever reason didn't take place. I may have read the "Everything is fine," said Lewis. "We had a little bit of a question mark with a player, but everything is fine" quote incorrectly, assuming he had meant a player was injured.

Cue in the Pink Panther music......

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I really think it was because of Brad Stuart's injuries (broken pinky, bruised foot)... he missed a few shifts at the end of the 2nd period on Saturday, and he had his head squished into the boards. Obviously he's banged up anyway.

Brad's a gamer, unfortunately for Mark.

People need to just read the obvious things.

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11-20-2006, 02:48 PM
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People need to just read the obvious things.
Seriously. They reported that Brad Stuart was limping around the locker room and icing down his pinky after the last game. I'm sure that caused concern and they debated letting him heal up and sit out the next game.

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Bizzare. Are they saying another defensman was injured and was questionable for tonight- maybe Brad Stuart? I know he took a couple of bad hits the other night, hopefully he's ok or didn't reinjure his finger.
Or perhaps it was Boyes and they were going to dress 7 D?

.....I think Jurcina is getting dealt at some point....

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11-20-2006, 03:35 PM
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People need to just read the obvious things.
you know that would be taking most of the fun out of it for alot of us,, right...

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I still say it's the Hong Kong Flu.

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11-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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Obviously I'm not hub, but I think they may have been looking to move Boyes or atleast pondering the idea of it before Chistov even came on board. I like what I've seen from Chistov thus far, he's creative, he has had some oppurtunities but hasn't finished, and he controls the puck well and protects it well for a small guy... with that being said I'm not sure I'd be comfortable plugging him with Sturm and Bergeron just yet.. especially being the fact that him and Sturm both pretty much play exclusively LW.

For that reason and the fact that hes a pending UFA it kinda makes sense that they would maybe be more willing to part with Sturm than Boyes but it's possible Boyes could net more in return.

If they were to swing Boyes for Seabrook who we are rumoured to be interested in, IMO we would have to trade B Stu or Mara for a young RW to fill the vacated spot on that line. We would be very young on the back end but I'd personally do it in a second.
looking at things quickly, we have alot of forward and D prospects, not alot of impact ones though.

we have a couple of free pending free agents......

package a pending free agent (sturm) and a prospect and a pick, and what can we get that would be young, affordable, and an impact type of player?

Alberts, Jurcina, Stuar (m), Lashoff, Sigalet

sturat (b) (plus Dempsey and york)

Karsums, Krejci, Kalus, Stastny, Versteeg, and one or two others i am missing

Boyes, Chistov (sturm and murray)

mix and match and see what we can get?

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Well... I heard something that's probably just totally hearsay, but apparently, there was a package deal that would've sent Paul Mara, Wayne Primeau, and an unnamed minor league prospect (most likely a goalie) to L.A. for Mathieu Garon and Scott Thornton. But the deal fell through, and I'm glad it did.

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Well... I heard something that's probably just totally hearsay, but apparently, there was a package deal that would've sent Paul Mara, Wayne Primeau, and an unnamed minor league prospect (most likely a goalie) to L.A. for Mathieu Garon and Scott Thornton. But the deal fell through, and I'm glad it did.
Interesting to say the least. Not sure I hate it all that much. Where did you hear this?

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Interesting to say the least. Not sure I hate it all that much. Where did you hear this?
i was wondering where he heard it myself. one thing to remember is that dean lombardi has a man-crush on thornton, since his days as the SJ GM. maybe scott could lure joe back when he becomes a UFA

more on mark stuart, new stick boy for providence

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/blogs/I...11DenBlog2.htm

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I don't think we'll ever find out who the mystery defenseman is.

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Well... I heard something that's probably just totally hearsay, but apparently, there was a package deal that would've sent Paul Mara, Wayne Primeau, and an unnamed minor league prospect (most likely a goalie) to L.A. for Mathieu Garon and Scott Thornton. But the deal fell through, and I'm glad it did.
I really wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I would have pulled the trigger on this deal for a number of reasons including the goaltending upgrade, dumping Mara and getting a guy who actually playes the game that Primeau is *supposed* to.

Why would you be glad that this deal fell through if it existed?

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I'm glad it did because of the "unnamed minor league prospect."

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I'm glad it did because of the "unnamed minor league prospect."
I see. Any rumors or theorys on that?

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Im with you DC, thats a good trade. Shaves $3 mil off the cap next year, Stuart can handle Mara's role defensively. Scott Thornton is a bit of a menace and a good guy for the fourth line and i like Garon. I probably woul dhave done that trade as well.

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I see. Any rumors or theorys on that?
My only thinking is one of our goalies, but I'd get nervous if it was one of our more promising forwards.

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