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11-27-2003, 09:23 AM
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what happens now?

So when oates and reasoner are in the lineup?
What happens, who gets sent down?

Stoll, Pisani?

Im sure salmanein wont be playing, but one would think stoll has been playing too well to get sent down?

any ideas

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11-27-2003, 09:34 AM
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So when oates and reasoner are in the lineup?
What happens, who gets sent down?

Stoll, Pisani?

Im sure salmanein wont be playing, but one would think stoll has been playing too well to get sent down?

any ideas
Sarno went down to make way for oates, salmo will go down to make way for reasoner. If we trade comrie for a forward, stoll wil be sent down because he doesn't need to clear waivers.

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11-27-2003, 09:43 AM
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Sarno went down to make way for oates, salmo will go down to make way for reasoner. If we trade comrie for a forward, stoll wil be sent down because he doesn't need to clear waivers.
Maybe we could send Horcoff down. Worked with Reasoner last year.

 
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11-27-2003, 09:47 AM
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Yeah

but im sure comrie wont get traded for an immediate nhler, jsut likely picks/ half assed prospects

so im sure stoll will probably remain in the lineup

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Maybe we could send Horcoff down. Worked with Reasoner last year.
I doubt very much that Horcoff would pass through waivers. Teams like Atlanta (who were actually rumoured to want him last year) would not likely pass on a young player like Horcoff, despite his struggles. As much as I like the idea of saying bye bye to Horcoff, I would not want to lose him for free. A pick would be fine for him.

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11-27-2003, 09:55 AM
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I doubt very much that Horcoff would pass through waivers. Teams like Atlanta (who were actually rumoured to want him last year) would not likely pass on a young player like Horcoff, despite his struggles. As much as I like the idea of saying bye bye to Horcoff, I would not want to lose him for free. A pick would be fine for him.

good point

I dont understand though

how come stoll will still pass through waivers
i am not familair with how it works
How come he is restricted?

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11-27-2003, 09:59 AM
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good point

I dont understand though

how come stoll will still pass through waivers
i am not familair with how it works
How come he is restricted?
For the purposes of regular season waivers and the Waiver Draft, the five-year exemption for an 18-year-old skater and four-year exemption for a 19-year-old skater are both reduced to three years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19-year-old playes in 11 games or more. The next two seasons, regardless of whether the skater plays any games in either season, shall count as the second and third years toward satisfying the exemption.
For purposes of regular season waivers and the Waiver Draft, the six-year exemption for an 18-year-old goaltender and five-year exemption for a 19-year-old goalternder are both reduced to four years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19-year-old plays in 11 NHL games or more. The next three seasons, regardless of whether the goalie plays any games in any season, shall count as the next three years toward satisfying the exemption.
The first season in which a player who is age 20 or older plays in one or more professional games shall constitute the first year for calculating the number of years he is exempt from waivers.
The rights granted to assign a player who is otherwise required to clear waivers to a minor league Club expire for any player, who, after clearing Waiver Draft or regular season waivers; is not sent to a minor league club, or is recalled from a minor league Club (except on emergency recall) and; remains on an League roster for 30 days or plays 10 League games. .

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For the purposes of regular season waivers and the Waiver Draft, the five-year exemption for an 18-year-old skater and four-year exemption for a 19-year-old skater are both reduced to three years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19-year-old playes in 11 games or more. The next two seasons, regardless of whether the skater plays any games in either season, shall count as the second and third years toward satisfying the exemption.
For purposes of regular season waivers and the Waiver Draft, the six-year exemption for an 18-year-old goaltender and five-year exemption for a 19-year-old goalternder are both reduced to four years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19-year-old plays in 11 NHL games or more. The next three seasons, regardless of whether the goalie plays any games in any season, shall count as the next three years toward satisfying the exemption.
The first season in which a player who is age 20 or older plays in one or more professional games shall constitute the first year for calculating the number of years he is exempt from waivers.
The rights granted to assign a player who is otherwise required to clear waivers to a minor league Club expire for any player, who, after clearing Waiver Draft or regular season waivers; is not sent to a minor league club, or is recalled from a minor league Club (except on emergency recall) and; remains on an League roster for 30 days or plays 10 League games. .
Wow Slats, good job...

In english, that means if you are 18 years old, and you don't play in 11 games or more in one season, you do not need to clear waivers the for the first 5 years of your career, or the first 4 years if you are a 19 year old. That drops down to 3 if you play in 11 games in one season. When you are 20, there is no games played limit, and you are at 3 years right away.

Basically, Jarret Stoll is 20, and has not played in 11 NHL games in one season yet, meaning that including this year, he can be sent down for 3 years without clearing waivers.

Now, Shawn Horcoff has played 11 games in one season already, and he has also had his three years since his 20th birthday, meaning he needs to clear waivers.

Peter Sarno has already cleared waivers this year (the waiver draft, and he hasn't been called up for more than 30 days or played in 10 games), and he doesn't need to clear again, while Salmo is in the same situation as Stoll (age/lack of service).

It is rather confusing, but for the most part, take it like this... if you are under 23, you don't need to clear waivers. While there are exceptions to this rule, it is very rare (I don't remember it every happening), and the only way it isn't true is if an 18 or 19 year old plays in 11 or more games in a season. But if they play in that many games as an 18 or 19 year old, chances are their team won't try and send them down as a 23 year old.

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Wow Slats, good job...

In english, that means if you are 18 years old, and you don't play in 11 games or more in one season, you do not need to clear waivers the for the first 5 years of your career, or the first 4 years if you are a 19 year old. That drops down to 3 if you play in 11 games in one season. When you are 20, there is no games played limit, and you are at 3 years right away.

Basically, Jarret Stoll is 20, and has not played in 11 NHL games in one season yet, meaning that including this year, he can be sent down for 3 years without clearing waivers.

Now, Shawn Horcoff has played 11 games in one season already, and he has also had his three years since his 20th birthday, meaning he needs to clear waivers.

Peter Sarno has already cleared waivers this year (the waiver draft, and he hasn't been called up for more than 30 days or played in 10 games), and he doesn't need to clear again, while Salmo is in the same situation as Stoll (age/lack of service).

It is rather confusing, but for the most part, take it like this... if you are under 23, you don't need to clear waivers. While there are exceptions to this rule, it is very rare (I don't remember it every happening), and the only way it isn't true is if an 18 or 19 year old plays in 11 or more games in a season. But if they play in that many games as an 18 or 19 year old, chances are their team won't try and send them down as a 23 year old.
So if we look at Hemsky, who played more than 11 games last year as a...19-yr-old? Then he's got until he's 23 before he would have to clear waivers? (Just a hypothetical question with an example here, folks, not suggesting the Oilers do this)

Or does his junior eligibility still factor into the equation here?

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Wow

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So when oates and reasoner are in the lineup?
What happens, who gets sent down?

Stoll, Pisani?

Im sure salmanein wont be playing, but one would think stoll has been playing too well to get sent down?

any ideas
Sroll as 4th line center, Pisani still in with RPM and Horcoff to the press box unless he plans to actually show some potential this year. Stoll has been too good to sit.

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Wow

You guys know your stuff

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To confuse you some more, I feel it necessary to point out that you also have to be 20 or older to pass through waivers anyhow. If 18-19 year olds are demoted, they go back to junior (and do not pass through waivers), as they cannot play in the AHL until they are 20.

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So if we look at Hemsky, who played more than 11 games last year as a...19-yr-old? Then he's got until he's 23 before he would have to clear waivers? (Just a hypothetical question with an example here, folks, not suggesting the Oilers do this)

Or does his junior eligibility still factor into the equation here?

Bart
He's 20, so he could go to the AHL. Because of having played more than 11 games at 19, his exemption was lowered one year, so he is only exempt from waivers until he is 22.

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To confuse you some more, I feel it necessary to point out that you also have to be 20 or older to pass through waivers anyhow. If 18-19 year olds are demoted, they go back to junior (and do not pass through waivers), as they cannot play in the AHL until they are 20.
Wrong. That only applies to CHL players with less than four years of experience. College players can also play in the AHL before they're 20.

ex. Spezza last year, Kesler this year.

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So when oates and reasoner are in the lineup?
What happens, who gets sent down?

Stoll, Pisani?

Im sure salmanein wont be playing, but one would think stoll has been playing too well to get sent down?

any ideas
Smyth-Oates-Hemsky
Torres-York-Dvorak
Moreau-Reasoner-Pisani
Isbister-Stoll-BG

PB: Horcoff, Chimera
Sent down: Salmo

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