Kiprusoff was dumped by San Jose. San Jose played hardball with Nabakov in contract talks, started the season with back-up Kipper who they thought would be fine... who then crapped the bed and sent San Jose running back to Nabakov's agent with flowers, choclate and a blank cheque.
That's right. I wasn't sure if it was SJ or ANA, thanks for reminding me and making my point even stronger.
That's right. I wasn't sure if it was SJ or ANA, thanks for reminding me and making my point even stronger.
So you're saying that Gerber is the next Kiprusoff? Not sure where you get that... Gerber is already 31 (or 32?), has been a back-up for 4-5 seasons now without ever showing signs that he could break out as the #1 goaltender anywhere, and when finally given the chance of being the #1 goaltender last season in Carolina, he didn't do anything extraordinary, and in fact, lost his #1 spot to a rookie before the season had even ended.
Suter saw something in Kiprusoff and boy was he ever RIGHT... Muckler (or Murray) saw something in Gerber, and boy were they WRONG!
So you're saying that Gerber is the next Kiprusoff? Not sure where you get that... Gerber is already 31 (or 32?), has been a back-up for 4-5 seasons now without ever showing signs that he could break out as the #1 goaltender anywhere, and when finally given the chance of being the #1 goaltender last season in Carolina, he didn't do anything extraordinary, and in fact, lost his #1 spot to a rookie before the season had even ended.
Suter saw something in Kiprusoff and boy was he ever RIGHT... Muckler (or Murray) saw something in Gerber, and boy were they WRONG!
I don't think that's what he's saying at all... merely that if one of the best goalies in the league currently can have a bad month, make his team ill and be thrown away like garbage. Maybe we should have more patience than they did. Especially considering the fact that we don't have anybody near as proven as Nabakov starting for us and no ready-to-go back up in the minors.
The guy who did this in Nov. .862, 4.02
is the same guy who did this in Oct. .915, 2.85
You gotta keep the faith, you hang onto Gerber, what if Emery struggles big time in the playoffs assuming he starts, you're gonna need Gerber to step in and get the job done, and the goalie positition can be streaky. We signed the guy long term, you gotta put some faith into it.
1) we NEED Gerber this year. There's is no &*(^&^$%$*&R%&#&*)U%^ way I want to go into the playoffs with only Emery... as Murray hopelessly stares down the bench at Mike Morrison while our season gets flushed down the toilet because our goalie is incapable of stopping any scoring chance.
2) He will play himself out of this.
3) If Emery still has the long of the platoon (which contrary to popular belief that he's the undisputed #1, is what he has now) at a later date and more of Gerber's salary is gone... he could be moved without giving up one of the top-5 young assets in the organization.
You're way off on Eaves. He goes to the net, has a great wrist shot and there's a playmking game under there that hasn't quite found it's way to the NHL. He's already a top-2 line player.
It'll be fun seeing the same arguments crop up again and again while Gerber sits on the bench.
And besides, we got Gerber for NOTHING... even if we got NOTHING for him in return, who cares? It would still free us of the remaining $10M that we still owe him over the rest of his contract. THAT is worth something.
Dump Gerber, and acquire a cheaper goaltender that will do a good job as a backup.
He has been working with goalie coach Ron Low lately trying to get back to the form that allowed him to win 38 games with Carolina last season.
"It's been no fun for sure. Nobody wants to experience something like that, but things happen," said Gerber. "You've got to push through it and battle through it. The team has been winning. That's the most important thing.
"You get your confidence by playing. I've just got to try to push as hard as possible in practice and just try to replace the ice time a little bit. I've just got to be ready when it's time to go."
When will that time happen?
"I'm not going to have a long-range plan. I was just talking to (GM) John Muckler and I said there's a point here that he gets (to start) a game," said Murray. "I think he's square (in his positioning) now and he looks a little more focused in net.
"I think the fact the team is able to score a few more goals will be a big plus for him. He'll play, but I'm just not sure when."
Hey,at least Low is here working with him now instead of being out of town scouting. It's a start.
Gerber was a strong #1 for Carolina last year in the regular season until he got sick and lost his place.
He really wasn't. Ask Canes fans.
He had 39 wins, but look at his stats:
GAA: 2.78
SV%: 0.906
Not very impressive. Carolina's success had to do with a high-scoring offense, not great goaltending. Perhaps Muckler saw a Fuhr-like quality in Gerber, but Gerber's inability to make the "big save" this year has been very un-Fuhr-like.
Despite all of that, I think the Sens should hang onto him. Emery has not convinced me of anything yet, and why would Muckler sell low?
Gerber's value will max out at the trade deadline which is when I would expect him to get dealt if at all. However, the flip side is that his value will be the highest also for the Sens. Do we really want to go into the playofs with Emery and an over the hill Cujo or Burke calibre goalies as the back-up? I'd rather have Gerber for insurance (he's not as bad as he's shown so far and I expect he will rebound back to form) afterall he's not the only goalie struggling so far this year:
As for the Cap space, the Sens are paying $4.6M for their goalie tandem which is in line and better than a lot of other teams (BUF $4.8M; CGY $4M; CHI $7M+; COL $6M; DAL $6.2M; EDM $4.6M; FLA $4M; MIN $5.1M; MTL $4.8M; NJ $5.7M; NYI $5M; SJ $6.7M; VAN $7M+, WSH $6M). The problem will be next year when Emery gets to go into the $2M+ range but by then, I'm sure there will be a market for Gerber and we can sign a decent back-up for Emery. But I'd be in no rush to trade him right now.
Gerber's value will max out at the trade deadline which is when I would expect him to get dealt if at all.
yeah because teams will be flooding our phone lines to acquire a goaltender that has never done anything worthwhile in the playoffs, and has two more years at $3.7M after this season... yeah, he'll really be the most sought-after goaltender around...
If we can find a place to dump him right now without giving up a roster player, a great prospect, or a high pick, DO IT!!!
If we can find a place to trade Gerber part of a package that might include a roster player, prospect or high pick, in order to receive something that we need (cheap backup goaltender, centerman, physical defenseman, gritty/experienced/solid top-6 forward), DO IT!!!
Otherwise, we must as well hold onto him, hope that he learns how to be a solid goaltender in a real hockey market, and see if he can surpass Emery as our #1 goaltender by the time the playoffs get here. If he still sucks by the deadline, and we can find someone that would want him for whatever reason, then we can dump him for whatever they want to give us in return. We can always look for another goaltender in the summer... bring back Hasek maybe?
Trading Gerber right now would be stupid. It's not like we desperately need cap room for this season, and we'd have to pretty much give him away for nothing.
Yes Emery is playing great right now, but what if he starts struggling? What if he gets hurt? I'd much rather have a Martin Gerber ready to step in instead of a Mike Morrison. We saw how important that was for the Canes last year. Cam Ward struggled in a game against Buffalo/sustained a minor injury, so Gerber started the next game and played great. Carolina won.
I have no doubt that Gerber will start playing better, and when he does, it'll be much easier to trade him in the offseason.
Not very impressive. Carolina's success had to do with a high-scoring offense, not great goaltending. Perhaps Muckler saw a Fuhr-like quality in Gerber, but Gerber's inability to make the "big save" this year has been very un-Fuhr-like.
Despite all of that, I think the Sens should hang onto him. Emery has not convinced me of anything yet, and why would Muckler sell low?
Gerber's play should be put in context against his colleague Cam Ward, who had these numbers:
3.68 882
Now compared to Ward's, Gerber looks pretty decent. I think this product of the system theory is inaccurate. Carolina did have a high powered offense, but they also left out there goalies to dry with an aggressive style. Gerber and Ward did have to make several big stops a game.
Gerber may be the biggest UFA bust of them all. At this stage, it is looking that way, but I won't write him off yet.
you must be joking, this guy was a ROOKIE last year and performed well despite that.... This is Emery's 2nd full season and he learned a lot from the playoffs last year. There is fire in his eyes, he's for real...
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Maybe I'm just watching the entire Buffalo series where our team was absolutely paralyzed with fear that Emery would have to take a shot.
Goalies have good games and bad games, good months and bad months. The season is just under 7 months long... not a month and a half. We're early in the season and these things tend to be exagerated. Do you think Vermette will outscore Peter Forsberg this year?
