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11-23-2006, 02:01 PM
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Uh anyways...

Kelly, 4th line.

Fisher, 3rd - But alternating when needing.

Good talk.

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11-23-2006, 02:05 PM
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Yeah Yeah, how about them Senators eh ? What do you think of their season so far?

Wow, now THAT'S a loaded question

All in all ... we're winning, I'm happy... we're not far away from the top 4 teams really, minus Buffalo. Like 7 pts behind 4th place I believe.

Wow, I'm still not on topic.

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11-23-2006, 02:06 PM
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Oh, it was only the ones after "What".


Translation: You don't have to marry him. Bible thumpers screw around all the time.

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11-23-2006, 02:10 PM
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Translation: You don't have to marry him. Bible thumpers screw around all the time.
See, was that so hard?

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11-23-2006, 02:12 PM
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Oh alright, I'll be the contrarian, if only just to shake up this McAmmond love-in a little bit. I like the guy too, and I'm sure he'd be fine up there. However, it should be noted that, as bad as Kelly is when it comes to finishing, he has the same number of goals as McAmmond and two of them were scored on the fourth line with little offensive support. Furthermore, Kelly's were better goals and two of McAmmond's goals came in the blowout game against NJ when he was playing with good linemates. Even when Heatley and Spezza are floating, Kelly is generating a lot of chances for himself with his hard work. If his hands were just a bit better, he would score a lot more. I think it could be argued that McAmmond might not bring all that much more to the table. Better speed, slightly better hands, slightly worse defensive conscience, slightly worse work ethic and slightly worse hockey sense. Not saying I like Kelly there. In fact I hate Kelly there, but I'm not convinced McAmmond is the answer to all their problems. He may or may not be. Certainly worth a try, but personally, I was happy with Eaves and I also like my suggestion of giving Neil an opportunity up there at some point. At least both of those guys compete hard along the boards, pick up the garbage in front of the net, screen goalies, and throw enough hits to open up some space. I guess you could argue that both need to play deep in the zone in order to be effective and neither one is fast enough to be the only defensive conscience on that line, but I would rather force Heatley and Spezza to backcheck if they want to see big minutes instead of continuing to provide them with a get out of D free card in the form of Kelly or McAmmond.

For what it's worth, these are the lines I'd like to see them try with over the next few weeks:

Eaves Spezza Heatley
Schaefer Vermette Alfie
McAmmond Fisher Neil
Hamel Kelly Schulbert/McGrattan

Very well said. I haven't seen McAmmond do much of anything for about a month or so. It may be argued that it's because he's stuck with Hamel and McGrattan/Schubert, but I just don't find that he's putting in a ton of effort. I've been more impressed with Hamel, actually, not that I'm advocating he go anywhere NEAR the top line, cause I'm not.

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11-23-2006, 02:13 PM
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Very well said. I haven't seen McAmmond do much of anything for about a month or so. It may be argued that it's because he's stuck with Hamel and McGrattan/Schubert, but I just don't find that he's putting in a ton of effort. I've been more impressed with Hamel, actually, not that I'm advocating he go anywhere NEAR the top line, cause I'm not.
He's got Kaigodorov syndrome.

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11-23-2006, 02:31 PM
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He's got Kaigodorov syndrome.
The bum probably thinks he's got a guaranteed roster spot, just because they signed him.

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11-23-2006, 02:32 PM
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See, was that so hard?


Not for me, but probably for everybody who understood it the first time, but have still had to read through all of this.

Anyway, back to hockey.

I do like McAmmond and think he deserves better than the fourth line. I'm just not sure he's best used on a scoring line. I'd sooner give him the job of shutting down the other team's best right winger night in and night out. I think he might really excel if given that kind of responsibility. Eaves on the other hand is a top six power forward in training, and I'd be more inclined to hone his offensive instincts by playing him with good playmakers instead of burying him on a checking line. If that line learns how to play within the system, they can be an offensive force. The problem with Spezza and Heatley is that they aren't being held accountable. I'd like to see their minutes reduced in games where it is clear they aren't competing. I think that would wake them up in a hurry.

I guess what I'm saying is that when they aren't going, Line 2 should indeed become line 1. There, three pages late, but I think we're officially back on topic.

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11-23-2006, 03:17 PM
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Sometimes Fisher Neil line is really a top 2 line in ice time. So maybe Spezza Heatley are … ? Schaef-Fish-Neil the old #3 line, was getting #1 pp line time.

I remember how BingoSensFan used to describe Kelly down in the ‘A’ - “this guys a champ“. With Spezza, Vermette, Volchenkov, Neil, Hamel, down for the lockout, Kelly was the captain. Then up here, when the team sinks into a hole, the vultures are circling, and the pressure is on the coach to put his best lineup out there, Kelly steps onto the top line. Maybe its time for a little reflection on conventional wisdom about how he can only be used on the 4th line? Im at least starting to wonder more.

McAmmond I thought has played pretty well, looks like a speedy veteran we want and most of us still seem confident that if we needed him to step into a top line spot and still kill penalties, he could do it, he‘s a team player like Kelly. Yet Kelly was the one put on the top line. I notice that Kelly even though Spezza takes the face offs, it still seems that Kelly is playing the Center position when the puck goes back into our zone. I don’t agree that his defensive smarts are a detriment to the top line. On this line in particular, his play fits in a very uniquely positive way. The coaches trust him there when their jobs are on the line. And it worked.

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11-23-2006, 10:06 PM
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Oh yeah? Well I was thinking that the day we drafted him!

Nah ok I wasn't. I don't even remember when we drafted him, or in what round.

Let's just say I'm glad I'm not alone when I don't see much more than a 4C/PK-specialist out of Kelly...

Just 2 days ago I looked up when Kelly was drafted---he was the 94th overall draft choice selected by Ottawa in 1999---how time flies.

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