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11-29-2006, 05:13 PM
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Rob Schremp is severly over rated by Oiler fans. I for one am not a Schremp fan and wish Lowe would package him in a deal to get us a defenseman that we badly need.
Morris? Flames fans would love that.

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11-29-2006, 05:24 PM
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he sort of sounds like a Marc Savard type guy. Lots of Offense, no defense.
I'd say that's a good comparison. He has the same attitude problem too.

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11-29-2006, 06:39 PM
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I think the poster meant that he doesn't agree with Richards' handling of Schremp
I know that, but whats there to disagree with?

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11-30-2006, 11:55 AM
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Predraft
P.Brendl = 68 gp - 73 g - 134 pts... 1.92
Schremp = 63 gp - 35 g - 75 pts... 1.19

Why should Schremp have been a top-10 and Brendl not?



Postdraft- Year 1
P.Brendl = 61 gp - 59 g - 111 pts... 1.87
Schremp = 62 gp - 41 g - 90 pts... 1.45

Postdraft - Year 2
Brendl = 49 gp - 40 g - 75 pts... 1.53
Schremp = 65 gp - 26 g - 74 pts...2.54

How exactly are 2 of Brendl's years "common" and Schremp's years "monster"? (years you specified are in bold)
What I mean is, considering how others in the league were doing in most of those years, Brendl wasn't quite the "superstar" that Rob Schremp was, as far as what people were saying.

Don't get me wrong, Brendl had a great junior career and all, but he just never seemed to have that superstar quality to me IMO. When I said "common" I also said "dominant", while he had good years, and was near the league lead in both of those seasons, other than his 134 point season he never really seemed to be the same "dominant" force.

In Schremp's draft class he should have definately been a top 10, maybe 15 pick purely based on his skill. If it weren't for his supposed attitude problems he would have been taken much higher IMO. Don't get me wrong, I can't just go back and talk about how so and so taken in the 8th round turned out better than Brendl to justify his "wrongful" draft position or anything like that. Looking back, that entire first round is just about full of "busts", including the Sedins until last season and with the exception of Havlat, so I suppose the Brendl pick wasn't too bad.

It's hard to explain really, I just never had a good feeling about that kid being taken so high. He put up some points in junior, but I've never heard people talk about his skill level like I have heard about Schremp. When people talk about Schremp they can hardly believe the moves he can pull off, and people are actually in awe over it almost, even professional scouts. I never heard anyone say anything like this about Pavel Brendl.

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11-30-2006, 12:13 PM
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What I mean is, considering how others in the league were doing in most of those years, Brendl wasn't quite the "superstar" that Rob Schremp was, as far as what people were saying.

Don't get me wrong, Brendl had a great junior career and all, but he just never seemed to have that superstar quality to me IMO. When I said "common" I also said "dominant", while he had good years, and was near the league lead in both of those seasons, other than his 134 point season he never really seemed to be the same "dominant" force.

In Schremp's draft class he should have definately been a top 10, maybe 15 pick purely based on his skill. If it weren't for his supposed attitude problems he would have been taken much higher IMO. Don't get me wrong, I can't just go back and talk about how so and so taken in the 8th round turned out better than Brendl to justify his "wrongful" draft position or anything like that. Looking back, that entire first round is just about full of "busts", including the Sedins until last season and with the exception of Havlat, so I suppose the Brendl pick wasn't too bad.

It's hard to explain really, I just never had a good feeling about that kid being taken so high. He put up some points in junior, but I've never heard people talk about his skill level like I have heard about Schremp. When people talk about Schremp they can hardly believe the moves he can pull off, and people are actually in awe over it almost, even professional scouts. I never heard anyone say anything like this about Pavel Brendl.
Brendl was on pace for 124 points in his 2nd season, had he played the 68 games he did his first year.

Schremp-hype... are you talking fanfare? Because fanfare around the draft has been increasing pretty much every year it seems.
In comparison, Brendl was the leading scorer of the western league in his rookie season and scored more than a goal a game. Almost as many goals as Schremp had points. Schremp was what leading scorer in his draft year?... 50th?
I believe there were also attitude problems with him as well. Perhaps it would have cost him, if teams were putting as much stock into psych as they seem to now.

Basically, I think if you're going to use a statistical argument to compare two offensive players with no intangibles to speak of... I can't see any justification to say that Brendl shouldn't have been top-10 and Schrmep should have.

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11-30-2006, 04:22 PM
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Brendl was on pace for 124 points in his 2nd season, had he played the 68 games he did his first year.

Schremp-hype... are you talking fanfare? Because fanfare around the draft has been increasing pretty much every year it seems.
In comparison, Brendl was the leading scorer of the western league in his rookie season and scored more than a goal a game. Almost as many goals as Schremp had points. Schremp was what leading scorer in his draft year?... 50th?
I believe there were also attitude problems with him as well. Perhaps it would have cost him, if teams were putting as much stock into psych as they seem to now.

Basically, I think if you're going to use a statistical argument to compare two offensive players with no intangibles to speak of... I can't see any justification to say that Brendl shouldn't have been top-10 and Schrmep should have.
Just for the record, Schremp was 18th in league scoring that year, and to be fair, he had to deal with being on a brand new team(although he did make the choice to be traded that doesnt really help him get to know the new group of guys) and everybody saying crap about him all season. He went from 18th, to 4th, to first in league scoring in a matter of 3 seasons. Maybe his first season or two weren't "amazing to you" but the fact that he improved that much in three years must mean something?

And the intangeable (not that i even know how to spell it haha) is that coming into the draft people couldnt deny that potential he had (which he showed by developing so well the next 3 seasons), now don't get me wrong, I wasn't really around all that much when Brendl was drafted, but since that draft I've never heard anyone talk about Brendl in any capacity the same way they talk about Robbie Schremp.

There is no comparison between them anymore as well because Schremp has taken the next step and is actually producing in the AHL where Brendl pretty much faded into nothing-ness.

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11-30-2006, 04:30 PM
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Maybe his first season or two weren't "amazing to you" but the fact that he improved that much in three years must mean something?

There is no comparison between them anymore as well because Schremp has taken the next step and is actually producing in the AHL where Brendl pretty much faded into nothing-ness.
I'm not arguing anything beyond:
- Schremp should have been a top-10 and Brendl not
- Schremp's early junior seasons were better than Brendl's

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I think the poster meant that he doesn't agree with Richards' handling of Schremp, but that Schremp better learn to live with it and adjust.
That's about sums it up, I don't agree with Richards, but he is the coach, and Schremp needs to do what he can to make sure that he gets playing time.

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11-30-2006, 10:35 PM
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I'd say that's a good comparison. He has the same attitude problem too.
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11-30-2006, 10:58 PM
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I'm not arguing anything beyond:
- Schremp should have been a top-10 and Brendl not
- Schremp's early junior seasons were better than Brendl's
Ya and I get that, I was merely just throwing those out there to sum up my thoughts on the subject. I don't really have any stats to prove otherwise on the other subjects, maybe it's just because I've never been sold on Brendl

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys that thinks Schremp is the second-coming of Joe Sakic or anything like that, just merely believe he will definately be an nhl player, and do so quite successfully.

So I guess this entire "argument" is moot, neither of us can prove that either one should have or shouldn't have been a top 10 pick in the draft at least. And I also admit that I didn't look at all of Brendl's stats before I made those statements so some of them probably ended up being false/skewed.

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I have it on some pretty good authority that Schremp's attitude is not much (if any) of a problem. Its more the play away from he puck

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I have it on some pretty good authority that Schremp's attitude is not much (if any) of a problem. Its more the play away from he puck
His attitude hasn't been a problem for a number of years, the media simply printed so many stories that Schremp's "attitude problems" became almost mythical in nature. What worries me about Schremp is both his skating ability and his play away from the puck - he'll be a very good powerplay specialist in the NHL with the tools he has but I'm not sold on him being solid 5on5 yet. We'll see though, I'm glad Schremp is facing a little adversity early in the season and it sounds like Richards is really pointing out the areas he has to work on. Pouliot just got called up from Wilkes-Barre and I believe Christensen is still in Pittsburgh so I'm guessing Schremp will go on a pretty big streak points-wise soon.

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hremp is both his skating ability and his play away from the puck - he'll be a very good powerplay specialist in the NHL with the tools he has .
How many powerplay specialists are there in the NHL?

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How many powerplay specialists are there in the NHL?
Not many unfortunately. There are a number of players who struggle 5on5 and tend to put up lots of points on the PP though. I'm not all that high on Schremp but I do feel he has the skill-set to put up some points in the NHL.

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How many powerplay specialists are there in the NHL?
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Not many unfortunately. There are a number of players who struggle 5on5 and tend to put up lots of points on the PP though. I'm not all that high on Schremp but I do feel he has the skill-set to put up some points in the NHL.
He definatly does, but I think Jason Allison is a good comparison. Puts up a couple good seasons, but will struggle to find NHL employment none the less.

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He definatly does, but I think Jason Allison is a good comparison. Puts up a couple good seasons, but will struggle to find NHL employment none the less.
I will be thrilled if Schremp turns into a Jason Allison clone. I think Yannick Perrault without the faceoff ability is a better comparison.

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I will be thrilled if Schremp turns into a Jason Allison clone. I think Yannick Perrault without the faceoff ability is a better comparison.
Yannick Perrault without the faceoff ability.

I don't mean to be rude, and I'm being totally serious here. But Perrault without the faceoff ability.. is that about one of the most useless players you can think of?

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But Perrault without the faceoff ability.. is that about one of the most useless players you can think of?
In terms of winning hockey games, yes. I feel Schremp's ability on the powerplay will make him a slightly more valuable player but it should be obvious by now that I am not all that high on the kid. I'm not willing to count him out though, he's shown a willingness to improve in the past and his shot and passing ability are both absolutely lethal.

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Okay, who?
Malkin, Nash, Vyborny, Semin, Zherdev, McCarthy, Coulombe, Brunette, Mellanby, Lindros, Erhoff, Hutchinson, Letang, Ribiero, Parrish, J.Hamiliton, J.Jokinen?

Ice time... ES+SH : PP = 2:1... or in many cases 2:1+

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In terms of winning hockey games, yes. I feel Schremp's ability on the powerplay will make him a slightly more valuable player but it should be obvious by now that I am not all that high on the kid. I'm not willing to count him out though, he's shown a willingness to improve in the past and his shot and passing ability are both absolutely lethal.
I never understood why Oiler fans were so high on Schremp, yet almost completely ignore Cogliano. Comments?

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Malkin, Nash, Vyborny, Semin, Zherdev, McCarthy, Coulombe, Brunette, Mellanby, Lindros, Erhoff, Hutchinson, Letang, Ribiero, Parrish, J.Hamiliton, J.Jokinen?

Ice time... ES+SH : PP = 2:1... or in many cases 2:1+
What a list.. alot of young guys who should improve I'd hope. Zherdev, Malkin, Nash, Semin, and yeah.. alot of.. waste.. Lindross, Brunette, Ribiero, etc..

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Okay, who?
Souray, McCarthy?

Nice name btw, is that for Cake?

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I used to think Rob would be a good hockey player, but all he can do is cool tricks during shootouts and at golf, outside that he's pretty average out there. I don't know why Pouliot was called up before Schremp, i thought he would have had the chance to get a few NHL games in.

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