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11-29-2006, 08:13 PM
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Sharks 2003 draft class.

I was watching TSN and they mentioned the excellent draft the Sharks had in 2003.
Bernier, Michalek, Carle and now Pavelski. Wow talk about making the most of late picks. Can anybody remember a team doing this well in recent memory on any one draft?

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the Oilers drafting Moog, Kurri and Coffey in 1980, not exactly recent though

EDIT: a more recent one..Devils drafting Van Ryn, Gionta and Gomez all in 1998. Also drafted Dagenais, Berglund who had spots in the NHL for a little bit and Ryan Flynn still has potential!


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Sharks were also able to get Mark Bell thanks in part to Josh Hennessy (the Sharks other 2nd round pick) who is a good prospect in his own right.

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11-29-2006, 08:53 PM
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That truely is a special draft for the Sharks. The Flyers also had a very good draft with Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Alexander Picard, Stefan Ruzicka, and Ryan Potulny. All 5 have seen NHL time and they've all evolved very well as prospects. All 5 certainly look to have very good NHL futures with the first 3 leading the class.

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Fun fact: They also drafted Josh Hennessy and signed Tom Preissing that year. And they used those two to acquire Mark Bell. To bad he's been a huge bust for them so far.

edit: beaten by Patty Ice but I had more info.

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Fun fact: They also drafted Josh Hennessy and signed Tom Preissing that year. And they used those two to acquire Mark Bell. To bad he's been a huge bust for them so far.

edit: beaten by Patty Ice but I had more info.
Slow start =/= Bust

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11-29-2006, 09:04 PM
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Thats a sick draft by the sharks! I remember the habs in the mid 80 at a pretty good draft roy,corson,lemieux,svoboda i think 84draft

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Habs '84 first four picks were Petr Svoboda, Shyane Corson, Stephane Richer and Patrick Roy. 5th, 8th, 29th and 51st overall.

Habs '87 first four picks were Andrew Cassels, John LeClair, Eric Desjardins, and Mathieu Schneider. 17th, 33rd, 38th and 44th overall.

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In 2003 Predators drafted Ryan Suter, Kevin Klein and Shea Weber.

That 2003 class was loaded.

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Detroit, 1989:

Mike Sillinger
Bob Boughner
Nicklas Lidstrom
Sergei Fedorov
Dallas Drake
Vladimir Konstantinov

What an unreal draft for them.

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Ottawa Senators 2001:

Jason Spezza
Tim Gleason
Ray Emery
Christoph Schubert
Brandon Bochenski
Brooks Laich
Toni Dahlman

All have played in the NHL.

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In 2003 Predators drafted Ryan Suter, Kevin Klein and Shea Weber.

That 2003 class was loaded.
Mark Stuart and Bergeron for the Bruins. Thompson could become a decent 4th liner depth guy for them as well form the late rounds.

That draft produced a lot of depth for a lot of teams.

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11-29-2006, 11:23 PM
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The San Jose scouting staff did a marvelous job.

They took Michalek over Ryan Suter when that wasn't a popular selection, althoug now it's a very popular one.

They took Bernier over Parise - both players turned out well but I'll still take Bernier over PM's love fest.

Carle was over looked pre-draft.

Pavelski - an afterthought at the time.

Great scouting found four great players.

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11-30-2006, 01:08 AM
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Similarly, take a look 3 of the first 4 Sabres picks in the 2001 draft...

Pick #22: Jiri Novotny

Pick #32: Derek Roy

Pick #55: Jason Pominville

The Canadiens also picked up some solid regulars in that year's draft...

Pick #7: Mike Komisarek

Pick #25: Alexander Perezhogin

Pick #71: Thomas Plekanec

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Didnt the Habs draft Cassels, then Eric Desjardins, then John Leclair in 87? that was good.

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Leafs 2002: Steen, Stajan, Ian White, Staffan Kronwall.

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Leafs 2002: Steen, Stajan, Ian White, Staffan Kronwall.
good thing 2002 went well b/c in 2003 when other teams loaded up on talented prospects the leafs came up empty.

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11-30-2006, 01:46 PM
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good thing 2002 went well b/c in 2003 when other teams loaded up on talented prospects the leafs came up empty.
Since the Sharks were brought up originally this is their 2002:

Mike Morris
Dan Spang
Jonas Fiedler
Kris Newbury
Tom Walsh
Tim Conboy
Michael Hutchins

So, it can work both ways.

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I'm hoping the Avs '05 draft turns out to be a good crop like this one.

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Detroit, 1989:

Mike Sillinger
Bob Boughner
Nicklas Lidstrom
Sergei Fedorov
Dallas Drake
Vladimir Konstantinov

What an unreal draft for them.
Near impossible to top that draft.

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Since the Sharks were brought up originally this is their 2002:

Mike Morris
Dan Spang
Jonas Fiedler
Kris Newbury
Tom Walsh
Tim Conboy
Michael Hutchins

So, it can work both ways.
morris and spang could still be solid nhlers, so it's not that bad (the draft when they didn't have a 1st stunk, if memory serves me correctly). as for the rest of them, yeah, no shot, although conboy was/is a strong ahler. the last guy has a better chance at joining the "new" INXS than the sharks.

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Since the Sharks were brought up originally this is their 2002:

Mike Morris
Dan Spang

So, it can work both ways.
Actually, Morris is one of the best prospect people do not know or have forgotten. Could be a good top 6 winger but more likely a great 3rd line winger. He redshirted last season due to a concussion going headfirst into boards and then a car accident in the season prior. While the concussions are a concern, he's off to a strong start as captain of the Huskies this year.

Dan Spang is a guy who has come along slowly but has been one of the few bright spots on the Baby Sharks blueline this year. He could be a decent bottom-pairing guy or he could be another Jimmy Fahey...either way I think he'll see NHL icetime. Here is a nice quote from longtime Sharks minor league coach Roy Sommer (who has sent some pretty good players to San Jose):

http://hockeysfuture.com/article.php...readed&order=0

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“He’s got a lot of leadership qualities,” said Sommer. “He sees the ice real well, he’s got a lot of hockey sense, he plays a lot bigger than he is, can shoot a puck, run a power play. He’s going to log a lot of minutes here -- I’d be surprised if he was here all year. Some players you say might take a year or so to mature and be ready to play in the National Hockey League, but he’s a kid that I think is on the fast track to get there.”
Unfortunately, a back injury at the home opener has slowed him down.

Timmy Conboy, I had hope for, but he is just a nutcase. However, if the other two can be regular contributors for the Sharks, it won't be such a bad draft for them. Teams hope they draft two regulars a year.


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Actually, Morris is one of the best prospect people do not know or have forgotten. Could be a good top 6 winger but more likely a great 3rd line winger. He redshirted last season due to a concussion going headfirst into boards and then a car accident in the season prior. While the concussions are a concern, he's off to a strong start as captain of the Huskies this year.

generally, the longer prospects stay in college the less people seem to care about them. Then when a guy does good, it's like he came out of nowhere to most people

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Detroit, 1989:

Mike Sillinger
Bob Boughner
Nicklas Lidstrom
Sergei Fedorov
Dallas Drake
Vladimir Konstantinov

What an unreal draft for them.
Near impossible to top that draft.
You need to put an asterisk by this draft and any discussions of great late round Russian draft picks picked before the early 90s. Federov and Konstantinov were picked with no guarantees that they ever would be allowed to play in North America. That all changed when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Before then, teams occasionally wasted late round picks on the slim chance that the Soviets would ever let their players come to NA.

1978 - Round 12 - 201 Mtl. Canadiens Viacheslav Fetisov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1982 - Round 7 - 141 NY Rangers Sergei Kapustin F Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1982 - Round 7 - 143 Minnesota Viktor Zhluktov F CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1983 - Round 7 - 138 Mtl. Canadiens Vladislav Tretiak G CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1983 - Round 8 - 145 New Jersey Viacheslav Fetisov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1983 - Round 12 - 225 New Jersey Alexei Kasatonov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1983 - Round 12 - 231 Calgary Sergei Makarov R CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1984 - Round 11 - 225 Washington Mikhail Tatarinov D Kiev Sokol (Russia)

1985 - Round 11 - 214 Vancouver Igor Larionov C CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1985 - Round 11 - 227 Calgary Alexander Kozhevnikov F Russia (Russia)

1986 - Round 12 - 238 Vancouver Vladimir Krutov F CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1987 - Round 8 - 150 Vancouver Viktor Tumeneu Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1987 - Round 12 - 252 Edmonton Igor Vyazmikin L CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1988 - Round 5 - 89 Buffalo Alexander Mogilny R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1988 - Round 6 - 120 Washington Dmitri Khristich R Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1988 - Round 7 - 129 Quebec Valeri Kamensky L CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1988 - Round 9 - 180 New Jersey Sergei Svetlov R Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1988 - Round 10 - 199 Winnipeg Pavel Kostitshkin R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1988 - Round 10 - 207 New Jersey Alexander Semak C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1988 - Round 10 - 208 Edmonton Vladimir Zubkov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1988 - Round 11 - 213 Quebec Alexei Gusarov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1988 - Round 12 - 252 Calgary Sergei Pryakhin R Krylja Sovetov (Russia)

1989 - Round 4 - 74 Detroit Sergei Fedorov C CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 6 - 113 Vancouver Pavel Bure R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 6 - 120 Edmonton Anatoli Semenov C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1989 - Round 7 - 127 Quebec Sergei Mylnikov G Chelyabinsk Traktor (Russia)
1989 - Round 8 - 152 New Jersey Sergei Starikov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 9 - 169 Quebec Vyacheslav Bykov C CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 10 - 190 Quebec Andrei Khomutov R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 10 - 191 NY Islanders Vladimir Malakhov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 10 - 202 NY Rangers Roman Oksiuta R Voskresensk Khimik (Russia)
1989 - Round 11 - 221 Detroit Vladimir Konstantinov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1989 - Round 11 - 231 Calgary Alexander Yudin D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1989 - Round 12 - 235 Winnipeg Evgeny Davydov L CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1990 - Round 4 - 77 Winnipeg Alexei Zhamnov C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1990 - Round 5 - 85 NY Rangers Sergei Zubov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1990 - Round 6 - 109 Philadelphia Vyacheslav Butsayev C CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1990 - Round 6 - 114 Washington Andrei Kovalev R Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1990 - Round 6 - 115 Toronto Alexander Godynyuk D Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1990 - Round 7 - 142 Buffalo Viktor Gordiouk L Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1990 - Round 7 - 146 Calgary Dmitri Frolov D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1990 - Round 8 - 148 Quebec Andrei Kovalenko R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1990 - Round 8 - 158 Quebec Alexander Karpovtsev D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1990 - Round 12 - 244 NY Rangers Sergei Nemchinov C Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1990 - Round 12 - 249 Mtl. Canadiens Sergei Martinyuk Yaroslavl Torpedo (Russia)

1991 - Round 1 - 15 NY Rangers Alexei Kovalev R Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 3 - 49 Winnipeg Dmitri Filimonov D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 4 - 71 Chicago Igor Kravchuk D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1991 - Round 4 - 81 Los Angeles Alexei Zhitnik D Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1991 - Round 5 - 98 Detroit Dmitri Motkov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1991 - Round 5 - 99 Winnipeg Yan Kaminsky L Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 5 - 102 Toronto Alexei Kudashov C Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1991 - Round 6 - 120 Toronto Alexander Kuzminski C Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1991 - Round 6 - 122 Philadelphia Dmitri Yushkevich D Yaroslavl Torpedo (Russia)
1991 - Round 6 - 127 Mtl. Canadiens Oleg Petrov R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1991 - Round 7 - 138 Philadelphia Andrei Lomakin L Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 7 - 142 Detroit Igor Malykhin D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1991 - Round 8 - 160 Toronto Dmitri Mironov D Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1991 - Round 9 - 191 NY Rangers Vyacheslav Uvayev D Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1991 - Round 10 - 217 Calgary Sergei Zolotov L Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1991 - Round 10 - 220 Chicago Alexander Andrijevski R Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 11 - 232 Edmonton Evgeny Belosheiken G CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1991 - Round 11 - 233 Buffalo Mikhail Volkov R Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1991 - Round 11 - 235 NY Rangers Vitali Chinakhov C Yaroslavl Torpedo (Russia)
1991 - Round 12 - 247 Winnipeg Sergei Sorokin D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1991 - Round 12 - 261 Calgary Andrei Trefilov G Moscow Dynamo (Russia)

1992 - Round 1 - 2 Ottawa Alexei Yashin C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 1 - 5 NY Islanders Darius Kasparaitis D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 1 - 10 San Jose Andrei Nazarov L Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 1 - 12 Chicago Sergei Krivokrasov R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 1 - 14 Washington Sergei Gonchar D Chelyabinsk Traktor (Russia)
1992 - Round 1 - 17 Winnipeg Sergei Bautin D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 2 - 27 Winnipeg Boris Mironov D CSKA Moscow (Russia)

1992 - Round 2 - 31 Philadelphia Denis Metlyuk L Tolyatti Lada (Russia)
1992 - Round 2 - 38 St. Louis Igor Korolev C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 2 - 42 New Jersey Sergei Brylin C CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 2 - 47 Hartford Andrei Nikolishin C Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 3 - 51 San Jose Alexander Cherbayev R Voskresensk Khimik (Russia)
1992 - Round 3 - 62 St. Louis Vitali Karamnov L Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 3 - 64 St. Louis Vitali Prokhorov L Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1992 - Round 4 - 77 Toronto Nikolai Borschevsky R Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1992 - Round 4 - 90 New Jersey Vitali Tomilin Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1992 - Round 5 - 103 Philadelphia Vladislav Boulin D Penza Dizelist (Russia)
1992 - Round 5 - 108 Buffalo Yuri Khmylev L Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1992 - Round 5 - 120 NY Rangers Dmitri Starostenko R CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 6 - 126 Calgary Ravil Yakubov D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 6 - 127 Philadelphia Roman Zolotov D Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 6 - 132 Winnipeg Alexander Alexeev D Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1992 - Round 6 - 139 Pittsburgh Artem Kopot Chelyabinsk Traktor (Russia)
1992 - Round 7 - 152 NY Islanders Vladimir Gratchev R Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 7 - 155 Winnipeg Artur Oktyabrev D CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 8 - 180 St. Louis Igor Boldin C Moscow Spartak (Russia)
1992 - Round 9 - 204 Winnipeg Nikolai Khabibulin G CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 10 - 228 Winnipeg Evgeny Garanin Voskresensk Khimik (Russia)
1992 - Round 10 - 230 St. Louis Yuri Gunko Kiev Sokol (Russia)
1992 - Round 11 - 246 Calgary Andrei Potaichuk R Krylja Sovetov (Russia)
1992 - Round 11 - 248 NY Islanders Andrei Vasilyev L CSKA Moscow (Russia)
1992 - Round 12 - 252 Winnipeg Andrei Karpovtsev Moscow Dynamo (Russia)
1992 - Round 12 - 254 Winnipeg Ivan Vologjaninov R Kiev Sokol (Russia)

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Before '88, teams generally just used late round picks on Russians.

Under Gorbachev's reforms, the teams and the league got more optimistic about players being released from Russia to play in the NHL - from '88 to '90 teams began to use some mid round picks. In '88 and '89 the Russians started to allow a few select players to leave.

In '88 Sergei Pryakhin became the first player the Soviets allowed to play in the NHL (Calgary). He was joined by Makarov (Calgary), Krutov and Larionov (Vancouver), and Fetisov and Kasatonov (New Jersey) in '89-'90 after the Flames, Canucks and Devils negotiated steep transfer payments. A 31 yo Makarov wins the Calder. Mogilney also joins the Sabres in '89-'90 after defecting.

In '91 a Russian was picked in the 1st Round (Kovalev). Even more mid round picks that eventually make the NHL and the start of the trend of picking a lot of lower eschelon Russians in the later rounds who never make it in the NHL.

In '92 (after the fall of the Soviet Union) the flood gates opened - 6 Russians picked in the first round.

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Since the Sharks were brought up originally this is their 2002:

Mike Morris
Dan Spang
Jonas Fiedler
Kris Newbury
Tom Walsh
Tim Conboy
Michael Hutchins

So, it can work both ways.
How awesome is the name Dan Spang? Just say it out loud.
Back on track...The Sharks 2003 draft is unreal. 2 guys from the WCHA too.

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