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11-28-2003, 10:42 AM
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Nagy

Wow! He has been impressive!

Is it my imagination, or has he actually added a little bit of speed to his game? I always thought of him a more of a Ziggy Palffy type of skater (shifty and agile with excellent lateral speed) than a speedster. But, if anything, he seems to have added an extra gear since last winter.

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Wow! He has been impressive!

Is it my imagination, or has he actually added a little bit of speed to his game? I always thought of him a more of a Ziggy Palffy type of skater (shifty and agile with excellent lateral speed) than a speedster. But, if anything, he seems to have added an extra gear since last winter.
Last year, I said that Nagy wasn't impressing me and I didn't know if he'd ever get any better. However, after the first game I saw of him this season, that had changed completely. You're right, Nagy has added speed. But he has added two other things to his repitoire which wasn't there:

#1 - A world-class shot. Nagy's shot was always pretty good, but now it's up there with some of the best shooters in the league.

#2 - Nagy is using his linemates more, and more effectivly. I don't mean as a playmaker, but Nagy to me seemed to have 'tunnel vision' going up ice a bit, and he tried to take it through a man before passing it off. Now, Nagy is making the right, smart plays, and going to the net to get a pass back, or create traffic.

When I look at Nagy this year, I am reminded SO MUCH of Naslund about 3 or 4 years ago (his first breakout year). I think Nagy can be very much like Naslund down the road.

Speaking of Naslund, the entire line of Nagy/Langkow/Doan looks a lot like the Canucks top line in style!

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11-28-2003, 10:48 AM
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Last year, I said that Nagy wasn't impressing me and I didn't know if he'd ever get any better. However, after the first game I saw of him this season, that had changed completely. You're right, Nagy has added speed. But he has added two other things to his repitoire which wasn't there:

#1 - A world-class shot. Nagy's shot was always pretty good, but now it's up there with some of the best shooters in the league.

#2 - Nagy is using his linemates more, and more effectivly. I don't mean as a playmaker, but Nagy to me seemed to have 'tunnel vision' going up ice a bit, and he tried to take it through a man before passing it off. Now, Nagy is making the right, smart plays, and going to the net to get a pass back, or create traffic.

When I look at Nagy this year, I am reminded SO MUCH of Naslund about 3 or 4 years ago (his first breakout year). I think Nagy can be very much like Naslund down the road.

Speaking of Naslund, the entire line of Nagy/Langkow/Doan looks a lot like the Canucks top line in style!
I always liked Langkow and Doan - because they're both hard working players. Langkow, despite his size, has some nice grit to his game. Those are fun players to watch.

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I always liked Langkow and Doan - because they're both hard working players. Langkow, despite his size, has some nice grit to his game. Those are fun players to watch.
Both are quite underrated. Langkow is good in both zones, and you're right, he plays with an edge. Doan is 6'2, 225 or something, and has great offensive instincts. Both are very underrated players, but Nagy is clearly the straw that stirs the drink for the Yotes offense. The other two are great complimentary players.

However, I must say, I am impressed that Francis has the balls to play his three best offensive players on one line. I think more teams should be doing this. Spreading around the offense on a team is very overrated, and most of the better goal scoring teams in the league have a very top end 1st line, and their depth is good, but not astounding.

Stacking up your 1st line is becoming more and more popular around the NHL.

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I always liked Langkow and Doan - because they're both hard working players. Langkow, despite his size, has some nice grit to his game. Those are fun players to watch.
Agreed. I just see a tremendously confident line out there and the chemistry between Doan and Nagy on the PP is really exciting. Just as Doan has become a captain and good leader this season, I'm seeing Nagy similarly stepping up his game to new levels. I think the two improvements go hand in hand.

 
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Both are quite underrated. Langkow is good in both zones, and you're right, he plays with an edge. Doan is 6'2, 225 or something, and has great offensive instincts. Both are very underrated players, but Nagy is clearly the straw that stirs the drink for the Yotes offense. The other two are great complimentary players.

However, I must say, I am impressed that Francis has the balls to play his three best offensive players on one line. I think more teams should be doing this. Spreading around the offense on a team is very overrated, and most of the better goal scoring teams in the league have a very top end 1st line, and their depth is good, but not astounding.

Stacking up your 1st line is becoming more and more popular around the NHL.

Because of NHL economics, and the thin spread of talent in post-expansion in NHL, there aren't that many great #1 lines around anymore.

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However, I must say, I am impressed that Francis has the balls to play his three best offensive players on one line. I think more teams should be doing this. Spreading around the offense on a team is very overrated, and most of the better goal scoring teams in the league have a very top end 1st line, and their depth is good, but not astounding.
I disagree, and I think Ottawa has shown the value of depth.

In today's NHL, pure offensive talent is a rare commodity. When you have it, you want to make sure that said offensive player is on a line where his primary focus is offence. If all your best offensive players are one line, then usually one of your offensive players needs to focus more of their game on the defensive responsibilities, both their own, and the share of their linemates.

If you split up your scoring, you can ensure that your offensive stars remain focused on the best talents, and partner them up with at least one defensive specialist on their line, which are a dime-a-dozen in this league. Ottawa's RW is where it's offensive talent lies. Usually, the centre and/or LW is a defensive specialist, that frees up the offensive player to do his thing.

THe other advantage is that it becomes harder to match lines against a team with depth. When Ottawa is playing well (which they haven't this season), they really take advantage of 3rd pairing defencemen. Since they can always have a scoring line on, whenever the third pairing hits the ice, the opposition's left defencemen has the unfortunate responsibility of covering one of Alfie, Hossa or Havlat, which usually burns them.

It's also worth noting that Vancouver's reliance on one line has often been their achilles heel in the playoffs, where matching lines occurs more often. This season, much of Vancouver's success has stemmed from the great play of Vancouver's second line, which has made the team a much greater threat.

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Yeah I think Phoenix's top line of Nagy, Langkow, and Doan will have a breakout season.

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disctostu,

Not a bad arguement, but Ottawa stacks up it's power play like nobodies business. The 2nd power play unit doesn't really worry anybody, but that first unit with Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, Bonk, and Redden or Chara (I don't remember) are all scoring tons on the power play, but 5 on 5 they don't quite have the same flair.

I think the issue in Ottawa is much like it is because their best offensive players are centres and right wingers. If Havlat was a left winger, I have no doubt we'd see a Havlat/Bonk/Alfredsson line, or something similar.

Also, scoring has never been a problem for the Canucks, even in the playoffs. Forward depth had little to nothing to do with the post-season exit to the Wild.

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The Nagy/Langkow/Doan line is a good line. It has a lot of speed, some nice physical play and tons of shooting ability. Considering that Mike Johnson is supposed to be the RWer on that line, it is a good fix.

Doan has shown a massive amount of maturity as captain of the Coyotes this season .. .something they never had since the move south.

Tkachuk was a joke of a leader who had all the talent in the world but was more worried about his golf score then the next game and played overweight when with the Coyotes. Numminen is class, but not a vocal leader. Doan leads by example, like Numminen and is vocal in the locker room like Tkachuk. The best of both worlds. Even though he has only been the captain for a few months, he has been the franchise's best captain since the move.

Nagy is a sniper. He is still young and learning and will be a top goal scorer. Last year, I thought he would hit 30-35 goals ... looks like I missed it by one season.

The team's scoring will be pread out more when Johnson returns. Nagy was also working with Hrdina as his center and Radivojevic as his RWer before the Hrdina injury.

Depth is important and so is spreading out your scoring, but when you have injuries to deal with you have to do something to get the needed scoring in. Hopefully, the Coyotes will have both when Hrdina (very soon) and Johnson (February/March) return.

Savage/Langkow/Doan
Nagy/Hrdina/Radivojevic
Kolanos (if he starts to give 100%) or Cleary/Sillinger/Johnson
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Wow! He has been impressive!

Is it my imagination, or has he actually added a little bit of speed to his game? I always thought of him a more of a Ziggy Palffy type of skater (shifty and agile with excellent lateral speed) than a speedster. But, if anything, he seems to have added an extra gear since last winter.
funny that you should mention ziggy palffy and ladislav nagy together - last night on the kings' radio broadcastm nick nixon made the same comparison, and said that (apparently he spoke to nagy before the game or something) nagy was modelling himself on and taking inspiriation from palffy, especially because they are both slovaks.

 
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disctostu,

Not a bad arguement, but Ottawa stacks up it's power play like nobodies business. The 2nd power play unit doesn't really worry anybody, but that first unit with Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, Bonk, and Redden or Chara (I don't remember) are all scoring tons on the power play, but 5 on 5 they don't quite have the same flair.

I think the issue in Ottawa is much like it is because their best offensive players are centres and right wingers. If Havlat was a left winger, I have no doubt we'd see a Havlat/Bonk/Alfredsson line, or something similar.

Also, scoring has never been a problem for the Canucks, even in the playoffs. Forward depth had little to nothing to do with the post-season exit to the Wild.
Ottawa hasn't been scoring 5-on-5 this year, but that's been an abberation. The last couple of seasons, they've been very potent at regular strength.

I also think that the Sens do load up their powerplay, and that's what every team should do. The second unit is for when ever the first one gets tired, so no argument here.

I also agree that Havlat would be on the top two lines if he was effective on the left side, but, I also think, that if Alfredsson, Hossa and Havlat (they're 3 biggest offensive threats) could all play on the same line at regular stength, that they wouldn't be on the same line. Ottawa has always tried to ensure that they have two solid lines. Ottawa usually kept Yashin and Alfredson on separate lines while they were both around, when they were our two biggest offensive threats. We kept them on the same powerplay, but at regular strength, the team wanted balance. In times of crisis (late in a game, when the team's down by a goal), they'd bump Alfie up onto the top line, but it was an exception.

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You and I both know that Yashin and McEachern playing together was a chemistry decision. As soon as you part the two, McEachern loses 10 - 15 goals a season. I believe if McEachern was never a Sen, Alfy would have been Yashin's linemate.

Anyhow, you look at some of the most effective teams offensivly, and most of them load up the offense. The Wings haven't done it much this season due to injury, and didn't much last year either, but they are one of the few exceptions. Vancouver and Colorado clearly do it.

I believe for teams struggling to score goals, like the Yotes, this is the perfect solution.

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You and I both know that Yashin and McEachern playing together was a chemistry decision. As soon as you part the two, McEachern loses 10 - 15 goals a season. I believe if McEachern was never a Sen, Alfy would have been Yashin's linemate.

Anyhow, you look at some of the most effective teams offensivly, and most of them load up the offense. The Wings haven't done it much this season due to injury, and didn't much last year either, but they are one of the few exceptions. Vancouver and Colorado clearly do it.

I believe for teams struggling to score goals, like the Yotes, this is the perfect solution.
McEachern was a left winger, while Alfie was a RW. The Sens had the option of putting all 3 of our biggest scoring threats on one line (Alfie, Mac, and Yashin), but chose not to. Instead, they put Dackell on the top line, to be the line's defensive force, which allowed all us to have to legitimate scoring lines, with Alfie leading the second line, while this team was still developing.

The most competitive teams in the past few years always have two very strong lines. Usually, the focus is having two strong centres to anchor these lines (i.e. Forsberg and Sakic, Yzerman and Federov, Modano and Niewendyk), but the Sens have done it using their right side out of necessity. For each of those teams, they option was always there to convert one of their centres to a winger in order to have a power line, but they chose not to. They balanced out there scoring, making their offence harder to shut down.

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Nagy is a sniper. He is still young and learning and will be a top goal scorer. Last year, I thought he would hit 30-35 goals ... looks like I missed it by one season.

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Well, you called that one right. I'm really amazed by the new jump in his skating. I don't remember him ever showing that much end-to-end speed. He always seemed more shifty than fast to me, but that may have changed.

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Wow! He has been impressive!

Is it my imagination, or has he actually added a little bit of speed to his game? I always thought of him a more of a Ziggy Palffy type of skater (shifty and agile with excellent lateral speed) than a speedster. But, if anything, he seems to have added an extra gear since last winter.
I like the Palffy comparison, though i always likened him more to Peter Bondra, more of a shooter.

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