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12-03-2006, 06:50 PM
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Briere was breaking out before the new rules, but he probably wouldn't have been in the running for the art ross. You are correct about less importance in size.

All other things being equal, you still take the bigger player. Smaller bodies are usually less durable too (see Briere for instance).

A little OT, but i dislike the phrase "new NHL". Its not new anymore, its plain old regular. I move that this era be called something like "salary cap era" or "post lockout era". Maybe its just me.
Yes, Briere had a good second half of 03-04, but he really broke out last season, the first of the new NHL.

I understand that if you have two equal talents, you take the bigger player, I agree. But if Cherepanov proves himself superior to everyone else at the end of the day, then size shouldn't be a factor.

New NHL....yes I think that phrase will be gone by next season.

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I guess so. I don't really think the Jagr comparison was ever that valid. I see more of a Havlat type comparison or something like that which I like very much as it is.
I'm not complaining. We need a Havlat (pure goal scorer) quite badly.

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Just remember, at this time last year Erik Johnson wasn't even considered for the top 5. By June, he was the consensus No.1 pick. Just goes to show you what a great WJC can do for your stock. If Cherepanov has a great showing at that tournament, he could very well rocket up to the top of the charts, even with the transfer agreement unsettled. Plus keep in mind that one of the reasons Ovechkin and Malkin were so hyped in their draft year was because they had made a name for themselves already at an earlier age. Indications are that Cherepanov basically came out of nowhere this year, so that may be a big reason why he is just now getting top 10 consideration.
Erik Johnson was considered top 5 this time last year. He was considered the best Dman in the draft at this point. I see what you mean though. I agree prospects stock can rise and fall quickly, but Cherepanov to become a Malkin like prospect would suprise me alot. Malkin would have easily gone 1st in 06, 03, 02, 00 and maybe 01 and 04. Malkin like prospects are still pretty rare (Even though we seem to be getting more and more uber prospects) and at this point Cherepanov has along way to go before being in that kinda mold.

As for Backlund, we have no idea, like Cherepanov, where he will go. He is still a first round pick at this point but he was considered a possible #1 candidate awhile ago (Like Frolik!) and his stock seems to be falling quite rapidly.

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Erik Johnson was considered top 5 this time last year. He was considered the best Dman in the draft at this point. I see what you mean though. I agree prospects stock can rise and fall quickly, but Cherepanov to become a Malkin like prospect would suprise me alot. Malkin would have easily gone 1st in 06, 03, 02, 00 and maybe 01 and 04. Malkin like prospects are still pretty rare (Even though we seem to be getting more and more uber prospects) and at this point Cherepanov has along way to go before being in that kinda mold.

As for Backlund, we have no idea, like Cherepanov, where he will go. He is still a first round pick at this point but he was considered a possible #1 candidate awhile ago (Like Frolik!) and his stock seems to be falling quite rapidly.
Cherepanov is on a stacked team though. I looked at his team's roster and there's lots of very high scorers. I dont know if that means anything but I'm just saying. Also, I'm really liking what I hear about Kyle Turris as well as Voracek. Sam Gagner would be a solid choice depending on where we draft, Pat Kane, etc... lots of good forwards there.

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Erik Johnson was considered top 5 this time last year. He was considered the best Dman in the draft at this point. I see what you mean though. I agree prospects stock can rise and fall quickly, but Cherepanov to become a Malkin like prospect would suprise me alot. Malkin would have easily gone 1st in 06, 03, 02, 00 and maybe 01 and 04. Malkin like prospects are still pretty rare (Even though we seem to be getting more and more uber prospects) and at this point Cherepanov has along way to go before being in that kinda mold.
I may be mistaken, but I thought Johnson only got top 5 consideration after the WJC's. Well, I'm willing to believe you. In any case, we have yet to see Cherepanov play, so anything can happen after that point. But IMO you can't underestimate those numbers. For a 17 year old to put those kind of points up in the RSL is pretty much unprecedented.

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As for Backlund, we have no idea, like Cherepanov, where he will go. He is still a first round pick at this point but he was considered a possible #1 candidate awhile ago (Like Frolik!) and his stock seems to be falling quite rapidly.
Cherepanov will go top ten, pretty much guaranteed. No team is going to pass on those numbers. His WJC performance will go a long way to determining where exactly he gets picked, but still, he has already shattered Ovechkin's and Malkin's records, when at 17 those two were already international stars, and Cherepanov came out of nowhere this season......


Backlund might be another Frolik, but Frolik was still the #11 pick last year. I have a really hard time imagining no team taking a chance on Backlund in the first round.

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Cherepanov will go top ten, pretty much guaranteed. No team is going to pass on those numbers. His WJC performance will go a long way to determining where exactly he gets picked, but still, he has already shattered Ovechkin's and Malkin's records, when at 17 those two were already international stars, and Cherepanov came out of nowhere this season......


Backlund might be another Frolik, but Frolik was still the #11 pick last year. I have a really hard time imagining no team taking a chance on Backlund in the first round.
10th overall*.

But yeah, Cherepanov will go top 10. If he has a great WJC, I'd think he'd rise up to 1st overall. Voracek doesn't look like an absolute superstar in the making although he looks like a solid future star. Cherepanov perhaps has superstar potential, more hit and miss but someone you'd possibly look at with the first pick.

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Cherepanov is on a stacked team though. I looked at his team's roster and there's lots of very high scorers. I dont know if that means anything but I'm just saying. Also, I'm really liking what I hear about Kyle Turris as well as Voracek. Sam Gagner would be a solid choice depending on where we draft, Pat Kane, etc... lots of good forwards there.

Still you have to give the kid credit for what he has done. Man, this guy gets no love at all. I hope he has a phenomenal WJC's and shows everyone up. Turris would be my second pick. I think he's a potential superstar as well. Saw a video clip of his four goal game against the Russians in the World Junior A tourney, and all four goals were different, one rush, one breakaway, one powerplay setup and one garbage goal. He looks like he can pick corners with his shot, speed is not blazing fast but adequate, and he is also rumored to be good in his own end as well. Sounds like a complete package. Voracek is my third choice, Espo fourth, and Gagner fifth. I don't think we will be drafting higher than that, but if so, then VanRiemsdyk, Korostin, and Kane would be my next choices.

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10th overall*.

But yeah, Cherepanov will go top 10. If he has a great WJC, I'd think he'd rise up to 1st overall. Voracek doesn't look like an absolute superstar in the making although he looks like a solid future star. Cherepanov perhaps has superstar potential, more hit and miss but someone you'd possibly look at with the first pick.

I agree to a certain extent with the hit and miss part, but everything I've been able to dig up on this guy indicates that even if he doesn't become a superstar, he'll still be great player. He's supposed to be very level headed and with great hockey sense and awareness on the ice, in other words, with his talent he's not someone who could flop.

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I may be mistaken, but I thought Johnson only got top 5 consideration after the WJC's. Well, I'm willing to believe you. In any case, we have yet to see Cherepanov play, so anything can happen after that point. But IMO you can't underestimate those numbers. For a 17 year old to put those kind of points up in the RSL is pretty much unprecedented.
Oh, numbers are impressive but im gonna wait awhile before i consider him a Malkin like prospect. I don't think anyone in the draft will be on his level.
I def remember EJ being considered a top 5 pick by some by this time. Certaintly considered the best D in the draft. He wasn't #1 or anything but i do remember him being highly touted at around this time.

If you guys can watch the WJ's (Obviously i wont be able too, 1 NHL game a week for me max!) give a report back on Cherepanov. I do go largely on reports, other posters and rare clips because i have no way of viewing these guys.

As for Backlund, well some don't consider him a top 20 pick now. Frolik at this time was still a lock for a top ten pick. I wouldn't suprised to see Backlund go very high but i also wouldn't be suprised to see him fall quite alot.

PR i also like Gagner at this time. I've seen a couple of clips, one where he went end to end, pretty sick. Haven't checked his progress in the OHL recently, is he still on that crazy pace?

Voracek is the man i want right now. He is from the Czech Republic . Im just wondering who we could trade for a 1st round pick at the deadline.

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Oh, numbers are impressive but im gonna wait awhile before i consider him a Malkin like prospect. I don't think anyone in the draft will be on his level.
I'm going to wait to see him play before I make any judgements, but I am certainly not ruling it out.

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As for Backlund, well some don't consider him a top 20 pick now. Frolik at this time was still a lock for a top ten pick. I wouldn't suprised to see Backlund go very high but i also wouldn't be suprised to see him fall quite alot.

Yes, you're right he may fall quite a bit, but it would be the shock of the draft to see a potential #1 pick just a few months ago fall out of the first round. This draft is deep, but not that deep. Not as deep as say 2003. He may fall out of the top 20, but no team with the 25, 26, or 27 pick is going to pass on him if he's still available. No way.

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PR i also like Gagner at this time. I've seen a couple of clips, one where he went end to end, pretty sick. Haven't checked his progress in the OHL recently, is he still on that crazy pace?

Voracek is the man i want right now. He is from the Czech Republic . Im just wondering who we could trade for a 1st round pick at the deadline.

Yes, Gagner is still leading the OHL in scoring I believe.

If Martin feels Bert doesn't want to resign with us, he'll trade him at the deadline. Even as damaged goods Bert could still land us a first rounder and probably a second rounder the year after.

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Any word if cheppy is making the russian jr team??? I haven't seen him on any projected rosters yet. I was looking forward to seeing him play.

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Any word if cheppy is making the russian jr team??? I haven't seen him on any projected rosters yet. I was looking forward to seeing him play.
I can't imagine that he won't be there.

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Alzner and Gagner made team Canada.

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Alzner and Gagner made team Canada.
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Espo didn't make it. McArdle did. Cherepanov will be on the WJC roster as long as his RSL club allows him to go play. If Gagner can have a decent WJC I think he could rocket up to potentially #2 overall.

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Espo didn't make it. McArdle did. Cherepanov will be on the WJC roster as long as his RSL club allows him to go play. If Gagner can have a decent WJC I think he could rocket up to potentially #2 overall.
Wow, Gagner made it and Espo didn't. That's really impressive for Gagner. Does anyone know if Espo had a bad camp or was Gagner just that much better?

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I was at camp. Gagner had 3 assists in the 2nd game, whereas Espo didn't do much at all. Tavares was simply out muscled, he would been broken down in that tournament.

McArdle was the best player at camp at the first intersquad game. He seems to play the best under pressure situations.

You all know how i feel about the awesomeness of Alzner.

Gagner will probably be the 13th forward/PP specialist, while Alzner will be the 7th defenceman. Both will be big contributers next year.

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I was at camp. Gagner had 3 assists in the 2nd game, whereas Espo didn't do much at all. Tavares was simply out muscled, he would been broken down in that tournament.

McArdle was the best player at camp at the first intersquad game. He seems to play the best under pressure situations.

You all know how i feel about the awesomeness of Alzner.

Gagner will probably be the 13th forward/PP specialist, while Alzner will be the 7th defenceman. Both will be big contributers next year.

Yeah, it seems like whatever I hear about McArdle, I like. Looking forward to seeing him in the tourney.

Tavares is only 16, I didn't expect him to make it.

RCGP, you got a chance to see Espo play....what kind of player is he/do you think he'll become? Is he another Daigle?

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Yeah, it seems like whatever I hear about McArdle, I like. Looking forward to seeing him in the tourney.

Tavares is only 16, I didn't expect him to make it.

RCGP, you got a chance to see Espo play....what kind of player is he/do you think he'll become? Is he another Daigle?
Very fast, lanky, great offensive playmaker. Generally a perimeter player though, obviously more finesse than physical but not totally soft by any means. I'd look elsewhere for our team, I think Espo may become a good player but I think he's very risky depending on how his game translates to the pros.

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Very fast, lanky, great offensive playmaker. Generally a perimeter player though, obviously more finesse than physical but not totally soft by any means. I'd look elsewhere for our team, I think Espo may become a good player but I think he's very risky depending on how his game translates to the pros.
I've heard he's super talented, but I've also heard he's high risk. Sounds like another Kessel. If he slips out of the top 5, I can see someone jumping all over him, but the way things are going right now I don't see him in the top 5 anymore. I see Voracek, Ellerby, Alzner, Kane, and Gagner in the top 5.

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Yeah, it seems like whatever I hear about McArdle, I like. Looking forward to seeing him in the tourney.

Tavares is only 16, I didn't expect him to make it.

RCGP, you got a chance to see Espo play....what kind of player is he/do you think he'll become? Is he another Daigle?
No, he won't be a Daigle. The kid has talent, I just think he has had too much exposure (like kessel). This is a 19 year old tourny, Canada usually only has room for 1 undrafted player (2 this year) and Gagner simply out did him in the short camp.

I don't think i'd put Kane ahead of Espo at this point. I'm interesting in seeing Van Riemsdyk and possibly Cheppy at the tournament.

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No, he won't be a Daigle. The kid has talent, I just think he has had too much exposure (like kessel). This is a 19 year old tourny, Canada usually only has room for 1 undrafted player (2 this year) and Gagner simply out did him in the short camp.

I don't think i'd put Kane ahead of Espo at this point. I'm interesting in seeing Van Riemsdyk and possibly Cheppy at the tournament.
I have heard alot of good things about Van Riemsdyk. I don't know much about him, but some people on here who are very knowledgable when it comes to prospects have said he could possibly be the #1 or #2 pick.

I haven't heard much about Couture recently. He seems to have fallen behind a few players now. There seems to be alot of movement in drafting rankings. Backlund isn't considered a first rounder by some. It is 2006, but on a bigger scale. Frolik, Kessel and the finnish guy (I can never spell his name right so i will not bother) were the top three guys but all fell.

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