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12-07-2006, 09:50 AM
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2nd line center: I found the solution!

Two words: MARK STREIT.

I have reason to believe Streit would get Kovy and Sammy to play sweet music again.

Discuss.

Disclaimer: In all seriousness, there is no solution. Nobody other than maybe Lemieux or Gretzky could look good centering Kovy and Sammy. How many more games will it take for those two finally be separated from each other?

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12-07-2006, 09:54 AM
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Two words: MARK STREIT.

I have reason to believe Streit would get Kovy and Sammy to play sweet music again.

Discuss.

Disclaimer: In all seriousness, there is no solution. Nobody other than maybe Lemieux or Gretzky could look good centering Kovy and Sammy. How many more games will it take for those two finally be separated from each other?
In all seriousness, Streit has looked good at forward the last two games...obviously not good enough to center both of those guys though.

I don't know why Carbonneau just doesn't separate Kovy & Sammy

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Johnson-Bonk-Kovalev
Samsonov-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Bégin-Murray- Streit

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12-07-2006, 09:55 AM
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Two words: MARK STREIT.

I have reason to believe Streit would get Kovy and Sammy to play sweet music again.

Discuss.

Disclaimer: In all seriousness, there is no solution. Nobody other than maybe Lemieux or Gretzky could look good centering Kovy and Sammy. How many more games will it take for those two finally be separated from each other?
Plekanec is cleary not the answer thought. Man does he suck...

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12-07-2006, 09:57 AM
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In all seriousness, Streit has looked good at forward the last two games...obviously not good enough to center both of those guys though.

I don't know why Carbonneau just doesn't separate Kovy & Sammy

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Johnson-Bonk-Kovalev
Samsonov-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Bégin-Murray- Streit
As you know, there's a little truth to every joke. I'm actually quite impressed with Streit as a forward, and I'd be curious to see what he could do with guys who have some skills (e.g. Streit beautifully set up Begin (I think it was Begin) last night, but he couldn't finish).

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I thought for sure Phil Parent started this topic.

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In all seriousness, Streit has looked good at forward the last two games...obviously not good enough to center both of those guys though.

I don't know why Carbonneau just doesn't separate Kovy & Sammy

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Johnson-Bonk-Kovalev
Samsonov-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Bégin-Murray- Streit

I don't think he wants to mess with the other lines. Eventually though he will have to experiment to get them going. You can't just have 8 million dollars wasting away because you don't want to mess with the other lines.


I still contend that before you try Bonk there I would try Higgins and move Samsonov to a line with Koivu and Latendresse. While Ryder Kovalev and Higgins form the next line. Leave the PB & J line as is.

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Man just put Sammy with Koivu for god's sake. We need to seperate them.

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I would assume that at some point Grabovskys good play in Hamilton would get him 4-5 games with the big club.

WHy not try that before trading...?

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I don't know why Carbonneau just doesn't separate Kovy & Sammy
I think at this point he's going to wait for Higgins to come back and then have Higgins try centering them, so there's no point in splitting them up now if he's just going to reunite them in a week or so.

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I think at this point he's going to wait for Higgins to come back and then have Higgins try centering them, so there's no point in splitting them up now if he's just going to reunite them in a week or so.
Maybe...but Higgins-Koivu-Ryder, is a tough line to break up.

Kovalev and Samsonov just isn't going to work, there isn't enough ice or pucks for them to play there game together. Seriously, we've been through 25 games + 8 preseason games, and we've seen them look cohesive for about 4 periods.

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12-07-2006, 11:19 AM
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Plekanec is cleary not the answer thought. Man does he suck...
Plekanec doesn't suck, his linemates do.

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Maybe...but Higgins-Koivu-Ryder, is a tough line to break up.
Agreed, but like the Mr. Sub commercial says, there might be a benefit in "try(ing) something different".

We can't afford to get nearly zero production from our second line. Before we have to resort to obtaining a second center via a trade, we need to exhaust internal options first. Those include giving Pleks different wingers, and trying Higgins at center.

I like the third line as much as everybody else, but I don't understand the obsession in keeping them together to the detriment of our scoring lines. Let's try different combinations for now...if they fail, we can reunite Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson...it's not against the rules...I checked.

If BG or GC are hiding among us on HF Boards, I implore either of you to try something like the following:

Pre-Higgins's return:

Samsonov-Koivu-Latendresse
Johnson-Bonk-Kovalev
Ryder-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Downey-Begin-Streit

Post-Higgins's return:

Samsonov-Koivu-Perezhogin
Johnson-Higgins-Kovalev
Ryder-Bonk-Latendresse
Begin-Plekanec-Streit

Why? A better question is "why not?". I'm just trying to show that there a plethora of possibilities that could or could not work. We won't know until we try.

If Samsonov has shown himself to be incapable of producing even when separated from Kovalev, then we should try to ship him off.

But somebody please tell me: what is with the Habs' vehement insistence on keeping Sammy with Kovy???


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Andre Savard said it best a couple years ago. They wanted to move Higgins to the wing because of:

1. Scoring potential.
2. Lack of vision/size/faceoff ability/combined with our already small top 6
3. Our glut of centers

I think the answer is to break up the third line and put Bonk as second line center myself. He has played well with Kovy this year and Kovy lights up whenever he joins that line.

Pleks and Perez have great chemistry.

I think it might do the trick.

Then drop Johnson with some toughies on the 4th line, put Latendresse on the third line.

And roll four lines a bit more evenly.

And presto.

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Bonk-Kovalev
Latendresse-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Begin-Lapierre-Johnson

(yes, bring up Lapierre!)

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Plekanec doesn't suck, his linemates do.
ditto ditto gitto

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Andre Savard said it best a couple years ago. They wanted to move Higgins to the wing because of:

1. Scoring potential.
2. Lack of vision/size/faceoff ability/combined with our already small top 6
3. Our glut of centers

I think the answer is to break up the third line and put Bonk as second line center myself. He has played well with Kovy this year and Kovy lights up whenever he joins that line.

Pleks and Perez have great chemistry.

I think it might do the trick.

Then drop Johnson with some toughies on the 4th line, put Latendresse on the third line.

And roll four lines a bit more evenly.

And presto.

Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Bonk-Kovalev
Latendresse-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Begin-Lapierre-Johnson

(yes, bring up Lapierre!)

Where is that glut of centers he was referring to?

Outside of Koivu and Bonk, no one has shown any real capability to handle "center" duties where they are needed.

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I would assume that at some point Grabovskys good play in Hamilton would get him 4-5 games with the big club.

WHy not try that before trading...?
Their's certainly nothing to lose. The guy plays hard and has much better finishing skill than Plekanec, he also has much more speed. This is definitely the time to try out that possibility, as we can clearly see that the Plekanec thing isn't working out. But maybe Carbs is waiting for Higgins to return, so he can try either Higgins, Latendresse or Ryder on the second line. I'm definitely losing faith in Plekanec's offensive abilities though.

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Plekanec doesn't suck, his linemates do.
I used to believe this, but he missed 2 amazing scoring chances last night when he was unmarked. It certainly isn't the first time either... He misses at least 1 to 2 of these per night. He just doesn't have the finishing skills to be a 2nd line center.

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Plekanec is cleary not the answer thought. Man does he suck...
give him decent players to play with and u'll see he doesn't suck...i think he's the best on second line most of the time...

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Why not trying

Latendresse Koivu Kovalev
Perezhogin Bonk Johnson
Samsonov Plekanec Ryder

Playing Ryder on the PP could be good especially with Kovalev at the point. The first line is really nice. The 2nd line is really effective and with PP time this line could do great things. The 3rd line bah it's a bunch of underarchiver but I think it could work at least more then the current 2nd line.

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Why not try Grabovsky from Hamilton, of even Lapierre.

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Plekanec is cleary not the answer thought. Man does he suck...
Sorry but Plecanek is the guy who work the most harder on this line

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Plekanec is cleary not the answer thought. Man does he suck...
Not really. He's playing hard but miss 300 opportunities to put the goal in the net; reminds me Réjean Houle and his lack of scoring touch...

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Where is that glut of centers he was referring to?

Outside of Koivu and Bonk, no one has shown any real capability to handle "center" duties where they are needed.
I hate how Plekanec is getting such a bad rep. The only reason for any of this, is because he was stuck centering Kovy and Sammy.
Koivu wouldn't even look good with those two.

Higgins isn't the answer. He doesn't have the vision to be a great centerman.
He's the ideal winger though. Gritty in the corners and is a great scorer.

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Sorry but Plecanek is the guy who work the most harder on this line
But he has the least to show for it... He's obviously not the offensive center we need for the 2nd line.

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Why not try Grabovsky from Hamilton, of even Lapierre.
I think Lapierre would take a lot of dumbs penalties.

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