while lapierre is forcing management's hand - neither will go down. carbo has already stated both will stay, and both are important to the team and have paid their dues. murray is also signed through next year
Murray goes, we need a guy like Downey in our roster.
Agreed. Although it's only been two games, I think Lapierre has shown he can take over Murray's role without too much trouble. (Apologies to the Lapierre nuthuggers, at it appears you guys were right. )
Downey is the type of guy you need though. When Ottawa dresses McGratton, or TO dresses Belak, I feel better with Downey going out there. His struggles last year have been well documented, but as a part-time enforcer, and good overall team/dressing room leader, I think Downey seems to be doing a fantastic job. It seems like the boys like him, and a you can't go wrong with a guy who works like he does and drops the gloves like he does. If he can gets a few more scraps in this year I'd definetly like to see him kept on as the 13th forward.
The issue of 8 dmen is of course important, but I feel a guy like Downey can still serve this team. I'd like to see Lapierre given a long term shot, as he seems to deserve it. I guess my solution would be to keep Downey up and put Murray on waivers. He brought it last year, and I loved him for it, but as has been said many times, when he isn't going all out and bringing it, he just isn't a useful member of this team. So again, I say keep Downey and Lapierre and do what you can with Murray.
to be honet, i think murray is done with us. it is unfortunate, because he worked well for us last season, and i liked what he brought to the team. but this year, he has not done so much to help. he has 1 pt in 21 games and he is -7
i like him because of his size and his effort, but at this point Lappiere is the same size and gives just as much if not more effort and energy, plus he plays center and takes faceoffs. you can see how carbo wants to give him all his chances, using him on the pk, i think he is a clear cut replacement for Murray.
Downey can stay for now, because it is not such a big deal to have him in the press box for some games, and you can use him when u need him, plus i think he is a character guy for us, and he bring the additinal dimension of fighting, although i dont feel he does it enough
with streit emerging as the utility player that is so impressive, and then higgins coming back, we do have a logjam on the fourth line and the roster limit. so i think murray will be sent down, and i think he does have to clear waivers..
if this is the case, i would like to see the fourth line with lapierre in the middle, but hr may get sent back down for nowuntill later. i hope he does not, because he has shown that he belongs, 2 pts in 3 nhl games is not too shabby for a bottom 6 guy an he works very hard
but with january coming fast, there may be a trade coming sooner than you think...
The guy couldn't do more to earn a permanent spot, but Higgins and Bégin coming back will make it too short a stint to stay in Montréal...
If Streit wasn't so good as a 4th line winger, I'd say Lapierre would stay. But that's not the case, and it's better having Murray in the press box and Lapierre in Hamilton than either Streit or Lapierre in the press box.
I'd rather see Lapierre helping out the Bulldogs than sitting in the pressbox in Montreal. Murray, Downey, and Niinimaa can keep each other company on the sidelines, and in case of an injury to a third or fourth liner, Lapierre can be called up.
Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Samsonov - Plekanec - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Latendresse - Begin - Streit
is likely to be the line-up to start games off, but at times, you will see Kovalev take shifts with Higgins and Koivu, and Latendresse take shifts on one of the top two lines.
But If Higgins centers the second line and does well then both have to go, because Pleks Lapierre Begin Streit are just fine thank you.
Kostitsyn next call up if a forward goes down.
I think the question is: Which one can the Habs drop without affecting the team chemistry ? My answer: Murray. Downey seems very good in the dressing room, and he won't complain if he's not playing. + If we need some kind opf enforcer once in a while, he is a bit better than Murray.
A couple of you guys have said it and I agree - if there's no actual line-up spot for Lapierre, he's the one that will go.
Room on the 23 man roster could be found but it's pointless if he's going to be in the press box. Murray & Downey can be in the press box no problem. It would be more beneficial for Lapierre to get ice time in Hamilton if there's no room on the line-up.
It comes down to Higgins coming back and Streit playing really well he can't be taken out of the line-up.
Whenever Begin returns, it's most likely Lapierre goes down.
Don't get me wrong, even in the 2 games we saw I like Lapierre >>> Murray + Downey.
Like the rest of you, I love seeing a player like this make an impression. My favorites over the years have always been this type of player. Still, I suspect that unless he does something spectacular, he goes to Hamilton. I'd rather see him than Downey or Murray, but I'm not sure the team wants to waive these guys.
Marinaro was just saying that he was talking with a scout from a team doing well in th eleague. He might've said a western team, but I'm not sure. Marinaro was specualating about Murray being waived and demoted, and the scout claimed that there was no way he'd pass thru waivers. We have all ssumed he would, from his play, I'm having a hard time seeing his value, but it seems he has some. Are we just not seeing something. A cheap physical 4th liner, just in a slump ? I don't know, just found it interesting though.
So we move a guy out of the position where he's playing the best hockey of his NHL career so far (and is clearly the best player on the fourth line), and bench Bouillon or Dandenault in order to make room for another fourth liner?
Sorry but Streit > Lapierre right now. There is no point in making that kind of a move.