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12-15-2006, 11:54 AM
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Staal, Pyatt and Cliche on Final Team Canada Roster for World Jrs

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?fid=4804

Didn't see this posted anywhere.

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I'll re-post my post here from the Prospect thread:

I can't believe Cliche made the team but he must have been great at camp to fill a 4th line roll.

Someone on RDS was quoted as saying that if you want to be a winning team, you need to have Cliche on it. He can do anything the coach asks, offense, defense, shutdown, PP, PK, etc.

3 Players on the Canada team....I know what team i'm rooting for in a couple weeks

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I'll re-post my post here from the Prospect thread:

I can't believe Cliche made the team but he must have been great at camp to fill a 4th line roll.

Someone on RDS was quoted as saying that if you want to be a winning team, you need to have Cliche on it. He can do anything the coach asks, offense, defense, shutdown, PP, PK, etc.

3 Players on the Canada team....I know what team i'm rooting for in a couple weeks
America?

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This ain't the Olympics. Its just a fun tornament. I'll root for what teams has more Rangers in it then root for a team that is more concerned about politics when deciding their team

I still root for the US, but they aren't my favorite going in.

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This ain't the Olympics. Its just a fun tornament. I'll root for what teams has more Rangers in it then root for a team that is more concerned about politics when deciding their team

I still root for the US, but they aren't my favorite going in.
yeah i hear ya...I just cant root for those 'nucks though, aside from our guys...Sanguinetti should be on US. I can only bust out my US jersey once a year so I take advantage.

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Captains have been announced, Kris Letang is the captain of the team and there is 4 alternate captains that will rotate, Steve Downie, Marc Staal, Jonathan Toews, and Tom Pyatt

Grats to Pyatt. Staal we knew would get some letter.

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The people picking the US junior team have it in for players playing in Canada's major junior leagues. There's always politics being played--that's why no Sauer last year or this year, I don't believe Dubinsky either, and no Sanguinetti this year. Anyway it's a reason for me not to pick sides in this and it certainly isn't going to bother me if the Canadian team with Staal, Pyatt and Cliche (also good on faceoffs) do well.

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So that means that the Rangers will have 6 prospects representing their countries. Cliche, Pyatt, Staal for Canada, Kveton for Czechs, Zabrosky for Slovokia, and Anisimov for Russia.

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The people picking the US junior team have it in for players playing in Canada's major junior leagues. There's always politics being played--that's why no Sauer last year or this year, I don't believe Dubinsky either, and no Sanguinetti this year. Anyway it's a reason for me not to pick sides in this and it certainly isn't going to bother me if the Canadian team with Staal, Pyatt and Cliche (also good on faceoffs) do well.
While I would have liked to see Sanguinetti and Sauer on the team it's too easy to label the selection process as "politics", especially when there are CHL players present on the team, including a WHL defenseman (Sean Zimmerman). It's more a story of Ron Rolston and the U.S. brass putting (at least in their minds) the most balanced team together. Apparently that requires a a focus on USNTDP players-which isn't all that surprising.

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It's really great to see Pyatt and Cliche developing so well, and getting the recognition to go with it. I'm really excited about both players, and I hope we can hold onto them and see them shirt up in a few years.

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Great news. I was hoping Cliche would make it.

It's a nice barometer for where our player selection has come in the last few years. Although the WJC doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of whether a prospect will make it to the NHL or not, it's still nice to say, "hey we're picking kids that are considered among the best in their country" and that says something.

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im really curious about anisimov

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So that means that the Rangers will have 6 prospects representing their countries. Cliche, Pyatt, Staal for Canada, Kveton for Czechs, Zabrosky for Slovokia, and Anisimov for Russia.
At least we will be able to judge Anisimov playing against players his own age. I wouldn't get too excited abiut the number of prospects because after all popular opinion syas it is not a barometer of measuring a players development or his ability to translate it into becoming an NHLer.

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At least we will be able to judge Anisimov playing against players his own age. I wouldn't get too excited abiut the number of prospects because after all popular opinion syas it is not a barometer of measuring a players development or his ability to translate it into becoming an NHLer.
Popular opinion? Or educated?

Team Canada 1999

1 LUONGO Roberto CAN 1979-04-04 190 89 R GK
2 FERENCE Brad CAN 1979-04-02 192 86 L RD
4 VAN RYN Mike CAN 1979-05-14 185 88 R LD
5 CALDER Kyle CAN 1979-01-05 182 80 L CE
7 STUART Brad CAN 1979-11-06 188 98 L RD
9 FATA Rico CAN 1980-02-12 183 95 L LW
10 TKACZUK Daniel CAN 1979-06-10 184 88 L RW
12 GAGNE Simon CAN 1980-02-29 183 85 L RW
14 CAMPBELL Brian CAN 1979-05-23 182 85 L LD
17 MAIR Adam CAN 1979-02-15 186 89 L CE
19 DRUKEN Harold CAN 1979-01-26 182 90 L CE
20 BETTS Blair CAN 1980-02-16 189 91 L LW
23 CHIMERA Jason CAN 1979-05-02 188 85 L LW
24 REGEHR Robyn CAN 1980-04-19 192 100 L RD
25 WARD Jason CAN 1979-01-16 188 88 R RW
27 FERENCE Andrew CAN 1979-03-17 180 85 L LD
28 ALLEN Bryan CAN 1980-08-21 194 96 L RD
31 BOUCK Tyler CAN 1980-01-13 184 85 L RW
32 FINLEY Brian CAN 1981-07-03 190 85 L GK
33 MORROW Brenden CAN 1979-01-16 182 93 L LW
35 LEEB Brad CAN 1979-08-27 180 82 L LW
36 MCDONELL Kent CAN 1979-03-01 187 87 L CE

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/9899/u2...ingleaders.htm

2000 Team Canada

1 FINLEY Brian 03.07.81 GK R 191 82 Barrie Colts
2 KINCH Matt 17.02.80 D L 182 84 Calgary Hitmen
3 BOUWMEESTER Jay 27.09.83 D L 191 94 Medicine Hat Tigers
6 MALHOTRA Manny 18.05.80 F R 188 95 New York Rangers
7 CHOUINARD Eric 08.07.80 F L 190 91 Quebec Remparts
9 RICHARDS Brad 02.05.80 F L 185 85 Tampa Bay Lightning
10 NIELSEN Chris 16.02.80 F L 187 87 Calgary Hitmen
11 HEATLEY Dany 21.01.81 F L 188 83 Wisconsin Badgers
12 BOUCK Tyler 13.01.80 F L 184 91 Prince George Cougars
16 BELL Mark 05.08.80 F L 191 90 Ottawa 67s
18 McCARTHY Steven 03.02.81 D L 183 93 Chicago Blackhawks
19 SPEZZA Jason 13.06.83 F R 188 95 Windsor Spitfires
20 JACKMAN Barret 05.03.81 D L 185 92 Regina Pats
21 RULLIER Jo 28.01.80 D R 194 92 Rimouski Oceanic
24 ROSSITER Kyle 09.06.80 D L 188 100 Spokane Chiefs
25 REID Brandon 09.03.81 F L 180 80 Val Dor
26 PETTINGER Matt 22.10.80 F L 185 93 U. Denver Pioneers
27 RYDER Michael 31.03.80 F L 183 86 Hull Olympiques
30 OUELLET Maxime 17.06.81 GK L 186 90 Rouyn-Noranda
31 LUNDMARK Jamie 16.01.81 F R 183 84 Seattle Thunderbirds
33 BIRON Mathieu 29.04.80 D R 199 98 New York Islanders
35 RIBEIRO Mike 10.02.80 F L 180 75 Montreal Canadiens

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/9900/U20A/gs/pg000007.htm

2001 Team Canada

2 JACKMAN Barret 05.03.81 D L 185 92 Regina Pats
3 SCHULTZ Nick 25.08.82 D L 185 88 Prince Albert Raiders
4 BOUWMEESTER Jay 27.09.83 D L 191 94 Medicine Hat Tigers
5 HAMHUIS Dan 13.12.82 D L 183 88 Prince George Cougars
7 McCARTHY Steven 03.02.81 D L 183 93 Chicago Blackhawks
9 SPEZZA Jason 13.06.83 F R 188 95 Windsor Spitfires
10 ZIGOMANIS Mike 17.01.81 F R 185 88 Kingston
12 MORISSET Dave 06.04.81 F R 185 92 Seattle Thunderbirds
15 HEATLEY Dany 21.01.81 F L 188 83 Wisconsin Badgers
16 MACKENZIE Derek 11.06.81 F L 178 71 Sudbury
17 LUNDMARK Jamie 16.01.81 F R 183 84 Seattle Thunderbirds
19 STOLL Jarret 24.06.82 D L 185 90 Kootenay Ice
21 OTT Steve 19.08.82 F L 183 82 Windsor Spitfires
22 JASPERS Jason 08.04.81 F L 180 83 Sudbury
23 HARRISON Jay 03.11.82 D L 191 93 Brampton
25 REID Brandon 09.03.81 F L 180 80 Val Dor
27 POPOVIC Mark 11.10.82 D L 185 86 St. Mikes
28 TORRES Raffi 10.08.81 F L 180 95 Brampton
29 CAMMALLERI Mike 08.06.82 F L 173 79 Michigan University
30 OUELLET Maxime 17.06.81 GK L 186 90 Rouyn-Noranda
33 AULD Alex 07.01.81 GK L 192 90 North Bay
34 BOYES Brad 17.04.82 F R 183 82 Erie Otters

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/0001/W20/gs/pg000014.htm

Conclusion

Just using a three year sample alone, it's easy to see that few of them ever fully translated their junior game to the NHL. Granted some of these players are still under 25, but 5 years is generally considered the golden rule for evaluation.

Sure, it's nice to be able to watch our prospects and see them compete against elite level competition - that's worth getting excited over. The recognition that they're receiving as among the best in their country is also something to get excited over. I wouldn't take it much further than that however. Success in this tournament guarantees nothing; playing in this tournament guarantees nothing.

It's not exactly a safe barometer.

Smart *** old man.

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Popular opinion? Or educated?

Team Canada 1999

1 LUONGO Roberto CAN 1979-04-04 190 89 R GK
2 FERENCE Brad CAN 1979-04-02 192 86 L RD
4 VAN RYN Mike CAN 1979-05-14 185 88 R LD
5 CALDER Kyle CAN 1979-01-05 182 80 L CE
7 STUART Brad CAN 1979-11-06 188 98 L RD
9 FATA Rico CAN 1980-02-12 183 95 L LW
10 TKACZUK Daniel CAN 1979-06-10 184 88 L RW
12 GAGNE Simon CAN 1980-02-29 183 85 L RW
14 CAMPBELL Brian CAN 1979-05-23 182 85 L LD
17 MAIR Adam CAN 1979-02-15 186 89 L CE
19 DRUKEN Harold CAN 1979-01-26 182 90 L CE
20 BETTS Blair CAN 1980-02-16 189 91 L LW
23 CHIMERA Jason CAN 1979-05-02 188 85 L LW
24 REGEHR Robyn CAN 1980-04-19 192 100 L RD
25 WARD Jason CAN 1979-01-16 188 88 R RW
27 FERENCE Andrew CAN 1979-03-17 180 85 L LD
28 ALLEN Bryan CAN 1980-08-21 194 96 L RD
31 BOUCK Tyler CAN 1980-01-13 184 85 L RW
32 FINLEY Brian CAN 1981-07-03 190 85 L GK
33 MORROW Brenden CAN 1979-01-16 182 93 L LW
35 LEEB Brad CAN 1979-08-27 180 82 L LW
36 MCDONELL Kent CAN 1979-03-01 187 87 L CE

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/9899/u2...ingleaders.htm

2000 Team Canada

1 FINLEY Brian 03.07.81 GK R 191 82 Barrie Colts
2 KINCH Matt 17.02.80 D L 182 84 Calgary Hitmen
3 BOUWMEESTER Jay 27.09.83 D L 191 94 Medicine Hat Tigers
6 MALHOTRA Manny 18.05.80 F R 188 95 New York Rangers
7 CHOUINARD Eric 08.07.80 F L 190 91 Quebec Remparts
9 RICHARDS Brad 02.05.80 F L 185 85 Tampa Bay Lightning
10 NIELSEN Chris 16.02.80 F L 187 87 Calgary Hitmen
11 HEATLEY Dany 21.01.81 F L 188 83 Wisconsin Badgers
12 BOUCK Tyler 13.01.80 F L 184 91 Prince George Cougars
16 BELL Mark 05.08.80 F L 191 90 Ottawa 67s
18 McCARTHY Steven 03.02.81 D L 183 93 Chicago Blackhawks
19 SPEZZA Jason 13.06.83 F R 188 95 Windsor Spitfires
20 JACKMAN Barret 05.03.81 D L 185 92 Regina Pats
21 RULLIER Jo 28.01.80 D R 194 92 Rimouski Oceanic
24 ROSSITER Kyle 09.06.80 D L 188 100 Spokane Chiefs
25 REID Brandon 09.03.81 F L 180 80 Val Dor
26 PETTINGER Matt 22.10.80 F L 185 93 U. Denver Pioneers
27 RYDER Michael 31.03.80 F L 183 86 Hull Olympiques
30 OUELLET Maxime 17.06.81 GK L 186 90 Rouyn-Noranda
31 LUNDMARK Jamie 16.01.81 F R 183 84 Seattle Thunderbirds
33 BIRON Mathieu 29.04.80 D R 199 98 New York Islanders
35 RIBEIRO Mike 10.02.80 F L 180 75 Montreal Canadiens

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/9900/U20A/gs/pg000007.htm

2001 Team Canada

2 JACKMAN Barret 05.03.81 D L 185 92 Regina Pats
3 SCHULTZ Nick 25.08.82 D L 185 88 Prince Albert Raiders
4 BOUWMEESTER Jay 27.09.83 D L 191 94 Medicine Hat Tigers
5 HAMHUIS Dan 13.12.82 D L 183 88 Prince George Cougars
7 McCARTHY Steven 03.02.81 D L 183 93 Chicago Blackhawks
9 SPEZZA Jason 13.06.83 F R 188 95 Windsor Spitfires
10 ZIGOMANIS Mike 17.01.81 F R 185 88 Kingston
12 MORISSET Dave 06.04.81 F R 185 92 Seattle Thunderbirds
15 HEATLEY Dany 21.01.81 F L 188 83 Wisconsin Badgers
16 MACKENZIE Derek 11.06.81 F L 178 71 Sudbury
17 LUNDMARK Jamie 16.01.81 F R 183 84 Seattle Thunderbirds
19 STOLL Jarret 24.06.82 D L 185 90 Kootenay Ice
21 OTT Steve 19.08.82 F L 183 82 Windsor Spitfires
22 JASPERS Jason 08.04.81 F L 180 83 Sudbury
23 HARRISON Jay 03.11.82 D L 191 93 Brampton
25 REID Brandon 09.03.81 F L 180 80 Val Dor
27 POPOVIC Mark 11.10.82 D L 185 86 St. Mikes
28 TORRES Raffi 10.08.81 F L 180 95 Brampton
29 CAMMALLERI Mike 08.06.82 F L 173 79 Michigan University
30 OUELLET Maxime 17.06.81 GK L 186 90 Rouyn-Noranda
33 AULD Alex 07.01.81 GK L 192 90 North Bay
34 BOYES Brad 17.04.82 F R 183 82 Erie Otters

Leading Scorers:
http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/0001/W20/gs/pg000014.htm

Conclusion

Just using a three year sample alone, it's easy to see that few of them ever fully translated their junior game to the NHL. Granted some of these players are still under 25, but 5 years is generally considered the golden rule for evaluation.

Sure, it's nice to be able to watch our prospects and see them compete against elite level competition - that's worth getting excited over. The recognition that they're receiving as among the best in their country is also something to get excited over. I wouldn't take it much further than that however. Success in this tournament guarantees nothing; playing in this tournament guarantees nothing.

It's not exactly a safe barometer.

Smart *** old man.
The same can be said for being drafted #1 overall. But, in order for a player to have a chance at becoming an NHLer you have to have them first. Whether any of these players become, or even have a meaningful career as NHLer is irrelivant if you don't have them first. Agree that it is not a safe barometer, but I would certainly rather have 6 players from my organization then none. It is all about beating the odds, the more you have, the better the odds in your favor. Gone are the days of rooting for some of the mystery picks of the prior decade. Young whipper snapper!

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