Do you seriously think Gainey would have traded Ribs if he thought he was valuable enough to this team to help us to win?? Do you seriously think we could have had better than Niinimaa for Ribs? If so, you are totally disconnected of the reality... Ribs, while skilled with the puck, has no shot and isnt fast and strong enough to compete at a high level of competition plain simple.
I would've rather had a low round pick (4-5-6) than Niinimaa, who's just watching games and taking in over 2m. Bob must've either thought that Niinimaa could've been more than he is, or that Streit wasn't going to play the way he has. I'm quite sure that we could've got a 4th or 5th for Ribs...if not from Dallas, then from Phoenix or another sucky team.
This team isn't much different than last years team, yet the record is drastically different.
Huet is a big factor, however, you can't tell me Montreal is somehow gonna have a much better PP which is already the best in the league. Nor can you tell me that there isn't simply a different, for lack of a words, feeling this year. Does that have to do with Ribeiro, or winning, or both, who knows.
But the fact is, people need to get over it. Ribeiro is gone. The record speaks for itself, and obviously Gainey didn't want him here. Enjoy the team that is here, and putting on a hell of a show most nights.
Our 1st PP is top notch, as you and all other habs fans know...Our 2nd PP can't score worth ****. As for the Feeling (chemistry) in the dressing room, I think that has more to do with losing Bulis and Zednik and adding Johnson and Samsonov. I don't think Niinimaa makes a difference, nor do I think Ribeiro would've affected it.
Honestly though, it's a pointless topic and the thread should be closed. We aren't getting anywhere by bringing up these useless arguments or comments about these players.
Rofl, Cuz Plekanec isn't soft and makes the second line consistent.....
Pleks soft???? LOLLLL Ask Chara for fun if the little Plekky is soft!! Pleks always fight hard for the puck and wins most of his battles along the board despite his undersized frame.. Do you really watch hockey or fake it like my ex girlfriend..?
As for Plekky making the second line consistent.. You cant work for your linemates.. But one thing Im sure, this second line has much more potential with Pleks there than Ribs.. Ribs is himself soft and inconsistent while Pleks's speed and intensity can make this second line a pretty solid one if Kovy realizes how hard Pleks work every shifts and decides to play with some emotions like he did the last 2 games...
I would've rather had a low round pick (4-5-6) than Niinimaa, who's just watching games and taking in over 2m. Bob must've either thought that Niinimaa could've been more than he is, or that Streit wasn't going to play the way he has. I'm quite sure that we could've got a 4th or 5th for Ribs...if not from Dallas, then from Phoenix or another sucky team.
So, in your book, a good second line center doesnt worth more than a 4th - 5th round pick, right? check & mate
Pleks soft???? LOLLLL Ask Chara for fun if the little Plekky is soft!! Pleks always fight hard for the puck and wins most of his battles along the board despite his undersized frame.. Do you really watch hockey or fake it like my ex girlfriend..?
That play was all Chara's fault, and I don't see how it doesn't make Plekanec soft, it's not like he checked Chara or anything, he simply took the puck away after a few tries cuz Chara's a dufus. It was a good play and it shows Plekanec's willigness to score but it doesn't show that he isn't soft. Softness is how easily a guy gets bumped off a puck, or if a guy isn't physical, both of which apply to Plekanec. Ask anyone around the league weither or not Plekanec is soft. Btw, I'm a big fan of the guy... But you're crazy if you don't think he's soft.
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As for Plekky making the second line consistent.. You cant work for your linemates.. But one thing Im sure, this second line has much more potential with Pleks there than Ribs.. Ribs is himself soft and inconsistent while Pleks's speed and intensity can make this second line a pretty solid one if Kovy realizes how hard Pleks work every shifts and decides to play with some emotions like he did the last 2 games...
He doesn't have the finishing skills, creativity, vision or playmaking skills to make him a consistent threat. He does have an amazing work ethic and a willingness to win that should allow him to pot in a few points every now and again, but he's far from being the consistent 2nd line center we seek.
As for Plekanec being a better center for Samsonov and Kovalev, who knows... That's like trying to predict the future, it's something that has never happened and never will, we can all agree that Kovalev and Ribeiro had much better chemistry than Plekanec does though (Kovalev himself said that he was satisfied with Ribeiro as a center last season).
The 2nd line likely will never be consistent so long as Kovalev and Samsonov are on it. Both of the players have center mentalities and try to set-up plays, but usually fail quite miserably.
So, in your book, a good second line center doesnt worth more than a 4th - 5th round pick, right? check & mate
Hmm, I guess this is due to you being french and not quite understanding what I typed. To summarize, in my book a 4th-5th round pick is better than Niinimaa.
We all know that after the year Ribeiro had last year, his value wasn't super high and he wasn't seen as a good second liner, but rather just an adequate one. Teams saw him as too soft, too slow...whatever. It's clear that his stock is rising in Dallas though.
Hmm, I guess this is due to you being french and not quite understanding what I typed. To summarize, in my book a 4th-5th round pick is better than Niinimaa.
We all know that after the year Ribeiro had last year, his value wasn't super high and he wasn't seen as a good second liner, but rather just an adequate one. Teams saw him as too soft, too slow...whatever. It's clear that his stock is rising in Dallas though.
Well if you think Pleks is soft we are living on a different planet... Ive no objection to make a poll about this here... Being small = soft in your book?
If Plekanec is soft, then Koivu is as well? Pleks is extremmely solid in puck possession, he rarely loses the puck, this is one of his biggest strengths..
Hmm, I guess this is due to you being french and not quite understanding what I typed. To summarize, in my book a 4th-5th round pick is better than Niinimaa.
We all know that after the year Ribeiro had last year, his value wasn't super high and he wasn't seen as a good second liner, but rather just an adequate one. Teams saw him as too soft, too slow...whatever. It's clear that his stock is rising in Dallas though.
Thats what Im saying.. You just said yourself Ribs doesnt worth more than a 4th-5th rd pick.. I dont think an adequate second line center worth so little...
so why on earth can nobody tell me why Ribeiro plays with a lot of heart atm ? no offense to you habs fans but right now we can see nothing of all those negative things you're talking about him.
did he really made a 180° change with this trade ?
You are at the worst place to get the right time about him .
What you see from him is simply what he is ; he doesn't fake to be a good or a bad player , no ? he just plays . If you are happy with his game , it's because he deserves you respect . Here , because of the french language specificity , you'll rarely see a consensus about a local player ( exepted for 3-4 th liners ).
What you will see is "over loved" or "over hated "player .
You are at the worst place to get the right time about him .
What you see from him is simply what he is ; he doesn't fake to be a good or a bad player , no ? he just plays . If you are happy with his game , it's because he deserves you respect . Here , because of the french language specificity , you'll rarely see a consensus about a local player ( exepted for 3-4 th liners ).
What you will see is "over loved" or "over hated "player .
I think everybody share the same view on Higgins and Koivu.. I think everybody is pleased with Tender's progression...
so why on earth can nobody tell me why Ribeiro plays with a lot of heart atm ? no offense to you habs fans but right now we can see nothing of all those negative things you're talking about him.
did he really made a 180° change with this trade ?
Since it seems that we need to talk about it.....
I'll answer this by saying that Ribs, due to the fact that he's quite local, has become a star here, even though his stats didn't back this up. He had in mind that he controlled things here and that he was quite solid and didn't have to work all that hard......and it all was reinforced when after the Koivu-Ribs incident in a practice, fans booed Koivu a few times, obviously showing Ribs he was their hero.......Since then, Ribs took things for granted, not a great maturity obviously and stopped working as hard, though some people hates him more for the type of person he is off-ice than his actual work on ice. (though some others probably hates his fake seizure in the playoffs and will not be able to also forgive his bad playoffs record thus far, mostly not being able to replace Koivu a little and win the big games against Carolina.
Obviously, you don't see any of that right now for multiple reasons:
1- New team, give his all, like most players do when they play for their new team.
2- How many interviews did this guy give already? Does the journalists know who he is? Do you have any journalists? Less reasons to not like him since you don't hear from him
3- He does has to start over, doesn't have any gang with him he has to blend in, new situation for him, and in that situation, he's little Mikey, I don't think he can rule anything without others leading the way from him, might happen, but definately not in his first year.....takes time....
4- Well used by your coach, though you can see lately that he still doesn't do that great a job when he's really needed, Modano not being there, he does not lead his team with awesome stats even though he has more icetime.
5- He may be not well known in the Western conference, people don't know him too much, they still let him work behind the net at his ease, not knowing he can really kill you down there. Know their videos and all but I still would be surprised if the opponent's coach really emphazise his strategy around Ribs.....That would be something the other players will learn while playing him.
So anyway, it is a great steal from you guys, I guess he needs a good playoff run to make most of us believers, but that's just remains to be seen.
Just don't wish that he becomes too confortable...
Ribs should have fetched more thats all. plain and simple. Understand?
hell Biron would have done. instead we get Niinimma and his bulging salary..
If he could have fetched more, don't you think Gainey would have gotten more???? Take your head out of your butt and wake up............
Retardo was worth nothing! One poster said he would have rathered a 4th or 5th round pick. I'm sure Gainey would have rathered that as well. Fact of the matter is the Stars were willing to take the Habs problem if the Habs were willing to take the Stars problem. It worked for both because at the time, the Habs needed an NHL defenceman and the Sr=tars wanted a young centerman.....
Regardless of how many points Retardo scores, he had to leave the Habs!
The guy just turned 24 & has played 101 gm's, has 40 pts and is even in plus/minus. When Riberio was 23.5 years old he had played 116 gm's, had 37 pts & - 20
so give Pleks a chance, he'll mature into a well rounded player.
The guy just turned 24 & has played 101 gm's, has 40 pts and is even in plus/minus. When Riberio was 23.5 years old he had played 116 gm's, had 37 pts & - 20
so give Pleks a chance, he'll mature into a well rounded player.
I go away for a few days and come back to this thread going "Huh? Did that "I Miss Ribs" thread get a change in title?"...should have known it's just another constent see-saw argument of Ribs vs Pleky....
In any case, ummm...as to the above...wasn't Ribs 24 when he got his 65 pts? If so, that would mean 197gp 102pts and -5...
Not even going to bother discussing if the trade was a good one and as for Ribs vs Pleky...meh, all I can say is neither is good enough for 2nd C. And as Pleky is still with the team, I can only hope he can prove me wrong one day.
Guys, this is my first post ever, but just wanted to make myself heard on this,,,
Whatever the Ribs points or stats,, he could not play in Montreal. He could be a very successful player in say Switzerland, great hands, vision etc. like Cristian Dube a while ago,,, He just is not a complete player,, we have guys just for the sake of PP anyway. Niinimaa, yaah, he is pretty bad, but he could have been a goood player, judging on how he played in Olympics in Torino. He has an upside, but has been unable to show it,,, you know, he has always been counted upon as a top 4 defenceman. Maybe he just cannot fit in with another role.
I go away for a few days and come back to this thread going "Huh? Did that "I Miss Ribs" thread get a change in title?"...should have known it's just another constent see-saw argument of Ribs vs Pleky....
In any case, ummm...as to the above...wasn't Ribs 24 when he got his 65 pts? If so, that would mean 197gp 102pts and -5...
Not even going to bother discussing if the trade was a good one and as for Ribs vs Pleky...meh, all I can say is neither is good enough for 2nd C. And as Pleky is still with the team, I can only hope he can prove me wrong one day.
Your missing my point......... at about the 100 games played mark Pleks and 'lil pinky are close (production wise) although Pleks has a better understanding of defence; even Vs -20 . Your right though, at about the same age Ribs had his breakout season playing with Ryder.
With Modano injured for the last 6 3/4 games (7 games), M. Ribeiro has been playing on the first line in Dallas (http://rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/219533.html). Here he has had another opportunity to prove he is a capable of playing on the first two lines. If we look past the typical, emotional homerism in the RDS article, and Dallas defending its own acquisition, some things become very clear. Let's look at various stats (no need to analyze his qualities anymore since we all know he is soft and one-dimensional) and see how they look now that he has been playing against good hockey players on the 1st and 2nd lines of other teams.
7GP 1G
4A -3
1) Back playing against good players again, Ribeiro has 1 goal in 7 games
2) He is -3.
3) Furthermore, all of his assists came on the PP....the one place where the habs, as the team with the #1 PP in the league, do not need any help.
4) This is all Ribeiro could do in 7 games, 3 of which were played against Phoenix and Columbus. Those teams are 2 of the 3 worst in the western conference.
5) Dallas' record in those 7 games is 4-3-0. Two of the wins came against Phoenix and all 3 losses came at home! With Ribeiro is a top spot, this is hardly the elite team that has so far managed 42 pts.
As much spin as anybody wants to put on it, Ribeiro simply isn't a world class hockey player capable of handling important responsibilities on the top 2 lines. This is more evidence why we don't need him and why he is worth almost nothing in a trade.
even if Ribs got 50 goals, I'd still want him out. He's got a bad attitude and we're a rebuilding team, we gotta keep these rats away from the young guys.
even if Ribs got 50 goals, I'd still want him out. He's got a bad attitude and we're a rebuilding team, we gotta keep these rats away from the young guys.
I agree. Ribeiro's most recent experience on the first line in Dallas is just another opportunity use the arguments of his own fans against him.
Did we need another Ribeiro thread each time something new happens in his live ?
