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12-19-2006, 06:01 AM
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Playoffs? We're talking about playoffs?

I'm personally thrilled with the idea that we can even talk about the playoffs. Is it too early? Yes- perhaps even way too early. But by the end of January we could have lost 8 of 10 and be out of it- so why not enjoy it now? As a PSL holder and day one fan I don't care if it's too early because usually at this time we're looking ahead to next year- how early is that?

Is it more important to focus on the game at hand- one at a time? Yes, but only for the players. As fans, we should be able to speculate all we want. We're not going to lose a game because I'm looking ahead.

With that said, this is a purely statistical thread showing what we need to do to keep on target.

Pace for season (the seeding is ignoring ranking seeds 1-3 based on division winner):

Seed Pace Points Per Game so far
1 Ana. 132 1.61
2 Nash 117 1.42
3 SanJ 116 1.41
4 Det. 108 1.31
5 Dal. 104 1.27
6 Calg 93 1.13
7 Edm. 92 1.13
8 Minn 87 1.06
x Van. 87 1.06
x Chi. 85 1.03
x Col. 84 1.03
x Los. 70 0.85
x Cbs. 69 0.84
x Phx. 64 0.78
x St.L 51 0.63

GOAL: 88 POINTS. Currently: 27 Pts Needed: 61 (coincidence?)

What's left:

Games ... 50

Record needed: 28 - 17 - 5

PPG Needed......... 1.2225
PPG So Far Under Hitch.... 1.2307

Final Record:
40-34-8 88 pts.



As you can see, it's more than attainable and exciting enough to keep track of. With Minn/Vancouver/Colorado beating up on eachother the gap between 7th-8th has grown while 8th-11th has tightened, which bodes well for us. Under Hitch we are on a 1.23 pts/gm pace which is exactly where we need to be to be very much a part of the race.

* The Shoot Out Loss represents how many SOL we are on pace for.
*Wins equal (pts needed - SOL)/2. Losses equal what's left.
*PPG = the pace we need the rest of the season.


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12-19-2006, 08:47 AM
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We have a chance as long as we stay with the current 7-4-1 pace under Hitchcock.....but we must win twice every three games all the way till April....

To be really optomistic we could actually get better. There is not much talk of that potential but what if all the Hitchcock training results in a 8-1-1 run? I know there's little chance of that but when Berard returns watch out for a surge in PP....

The remainder of December could be the difference....we must beat playoff teams and beat them often.....

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12-19-2006, 09:08 AM
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More interesting stats (which of course can be spun to support whatever you want).

Before Hitch (BH): 5-14-1 43GF (2.15/g) | 65GA (3.25/g)
After Hitch (AH): 7-04-1 41GF (3.42/g) | 27GA (2.25/g)

Nope, doesn't look like he's made a difference

I could be off a bit, due to my medically induced state, but I did these numbers to combat some fans from other teams who like to point to our overall record as a reason why all our players aren't as good as theirs and why our team is so bad.

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12-19-2006, 09:12 AM
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Oh and BTW, At this point there are only two teams scoring at a clip of more than 3.42 goals per game: Buffalo (3.97) and Anaheim (3.6).

Granted, there are probably other teams that can take their current streak and say this (i.e. Chicago); but it does show that we're a much improved team and at least gives us some ammunition to fight back.

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Hello to all as I am a "newbie" to HF Boards. Regarding the topic of making the playoffs, it is nice to have alot of hope as a fan, however, it is most important to focus on the "one day, one game at a time" perspective. Every game is a different adventure, learn from the previous game, and use that with the following night's tilt. Our team is still in that "getting to know one another" phase with Coach Hitchcock, however, things are starting to gel in grande fashion.

It is my hope that one day in the near distant future that CBJ does make the playoffs and God willing hoists The Cup overhead in my lifetime, however, one day at a time in the right direction will lead to glory. To quote Fred Shero, "Win today and we will walk together forever."

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All we have to do is make the playoffs. I'm not sure we could down a time like Anaheim in a series, but he sure as hell could try.

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Every game is a different adventure, learn from the previous game, and use that with the following night's tilt. Our team is still in that "getting to know one another" phase with Coach Hitchcock........
I like this....before reading your post I just said in another thread "there is still alot of work to do"... We do need to keep tweeking based on our play against different teams... But the most important thing is to play consistently and disciplined, without Norrena last night we would have lost that game 6-4....

Oh, welcome rookie.....

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The pace of winning 2 out of 3 is realistic, and here's why: Hitch, in his career, wins 2 out of every 3 games.

If the team is going 6-1-1, obviously they are getting better. If they are getting better, it shouldn't be unrealistic to expect no more than 15 or so losses.

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All we have to do is make the playoffs. I'm not sure we could down a time like Anaheim in a series, but he sure as hell could try.
Maybe I should keep my optimism to myself, but I think a team like Columbus would be the ideal team to knock off an unsuspecting Anaheim. A lot of experienced leaders who know what it takes, and a lot of hungry young guys who, game in and game out, want to prove to themselves that they aren't as bad as everyone thinks. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Fedorov, Foote, and Modin will be scary in the playoffs. Even if they do nothing all year, they will earn their paychecks in the playoffs.

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We just need to take care of our own business and everything else will fall into place.

I want to get to .500 first.

I certainly have no problems with speculating and score watching, but I'm not going to do it until we're a .500 hockey club.

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I'm thinking it will take more like 94 points. That's 67 points in 50 games. Probably 31-32 wins. Let's hope it happens. That's a tall order

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Not to rain on your parade but Hitchcock has a knack of making players hate him as time goes on. He had two NHL jobs and has been fired twice. He left Philly in a complete shambles. The players really hated him there. And they are still losing but not quite as bad as they were under Hitchcock and they have had a ton of injuries since the fat guy left including Forsberg. Watch what happens when the Blue Jackets lose 6 in a row. I predict a mutiny.

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Not to rain on your parade but Hitchcock has a knack of making players hate him as time goes on. He had two NHL jobs and has been fired twice. He left Philly in a complete shambles. The players really hated him there. And they are still losing but not quite as bad as they were under Hitchcock and they have had a ton of injuries since the fat guy left including Forsberg. Watch what happens when the Blue Jackets lose 6 in a row. I predict a mutiny.
I smell troll

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Not to rain on your parade but Hitchcock has a knack of making players hate him as time goes on. He had two NHL jobs and has been fired twice. He left Philly in a complete shambles. The players really hated him there. And they are still losing but not quite as bad as they were under Hitchcock and they have had a ton of injuries since the fat guy left including Forsberg. Watch what happens when the Blue Jackets lose 6 in a row. I predict a mutiny.
A smell a disgruntled flyer fan (and what flyer fan doesn't have the right to be much disgruntled?) who really hasn't seen the broad side of a Hitchcockian BJ in a very long time.

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Not to rain on your parade but Hitchcock has a knack of making players hate him as time goes on. He had two NHL jobs and has been fired twice. He left Philly in a complete shambles. The players really hated him there. And they are still losing but not quite as bad as they were under Hitchcock and they have had a ton of injuries since the fat guy left including Forsberg. Watch what happens when the Blue Jackets lose 6 in a row. I predict a mutiny.
Quite honestly I could care less if the players hate him as long as the team wins. In case you haven't noticed -- Hitchcock wins. Rimer said just yesterday that he spoke with Babchuk of the Wings and said that its widely known fact that the players do not like him either... I guess that makes him a bad coach as well?

Most coaches don't last more than 3 to 4 years and again honestly I don't care. The organization will deal with than when the time comes. This team doesn't need a friend right now...it needs direction and if that involves tuff love then so be it.

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Quite honestly I could care less if the players hate him as long as the team wins. In case you haven't noticed -- Hitchcock wins. Rimer said just yesterday that he spoke with Babchuk of the Wings and said that its widely known fact that the players do not like him either... I guess that makes him a bad coach as well?

Most coaches don't last more than 3 to 4 years and again honestly I don't care. The organization will deal with than when the time comes. This team doesn't need a friend right now...it needs direction and if that involves tuff love then so be it.
You know what else, Shelfly One? Whether it be Philly or Dallas or even the Pepsi Center... the media, the fans, the ex players...they all greet Hitch with smiles, kind words, and fond memories. I even saw Brett Hull give Hitch a hug and watched them chat eachother up down in big D. I don't know why Hitch has gotten tagged as a "ogre" but you're absolutely right about what this team needs ... and it's NOT a "good buddy." That said, I've never personally seen any incarnation of this team look happier, more relaxed, or more in control of their game than they have since Hitchcock's arrival.

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No one likes the person who makes them work without getting extra coffee breaks, cig breaks, internet board breaks, cell phone chat sessions with the spouse or anything else that takes away from the job when they should be working........just do what your paid to do and Hitch will be your best friend.....

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No one likes the person who makes them work without getting extra coffee breaks, cig breaks, internet board breaks, cell phone chat sessions with the spouse or anything else that takes away from the job when they should be working........just do what your paid to do and Hitch will be your best friend.....
Crap. Good thing Hitch isn't any of our bosses...

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I figured i should look into each players stats since Hitch arrived:

Sergei Fedorov C 12 7 8 15 +8
Rick Nash LW/RW 12 6 6 12 +4
Anson Carter RW 12 4 8 12 +7
David Vyborny C/RW 12 3 9 12 +7
Dan Fritsche C/W 12 4 5 9 +5
Ron Hainsey D 12 2 6 8 +6
Anders Eriksson D 12 0 8 8 +3
Jason Chimera LW 12 4 3 7 +5
Fredrik Modin LW 9 4 3 7 0
Gilbert Brule C/RW 12 2 2 4 -2
Alexander Svitov C 12 2 1 3 +2
Manny Malhotra C 12 1 2 3 -2
Adam Foote D 8 1 1 2 +2
Nikolai Zherdev LW/RW 7 1 1 2 -2
Aaron Johnson D 12 0 2 2 +6
Rostislav Klesla D 12 0 1 1 +2
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen 12 0 1 1 0
Filip Novak D 4 0 0 0 2
Alexandre Picard LW 5 0 0 0 0
Duvie Westcott D 2 0 0 0 -1
Jody Shelley LW 12 0 0 0 -3

Some suprises there but overall as expected and i think im going to watch this rest of the season, pretty interesting.
Fedorov is huge ^^


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With all that said, how many players are we seeing flourish under Hitch? Nash, Fedorov, Vyborny, and Norrena have been HUUUUGE under Hitchcock. Whether or not they'll be taking him out to lunch anytime soon doesn't make a difference... they're winning, and looking darn good while they're doing it. Hitch may have not made any friends here in Columbus, but he's sure earned the respect of every hockey fan in Ohio and every person in the CBJ locker room, that's for sure.

And someone brought up the word relaxed... when was the last time you've seen this team make a win look easy? I can think of a few times in the past week or two... Dallas, Colorado... the list goes on. This team is finally beating quality opponents and actually deserving to win the game - something that rarely came together before.

Also, one of the best things I've ever heard a coach say... "What matters most is what they say when you walk out of the room." Ken Hitchcock knows what it takes.

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Crap. Good thing Hitch isn't any of our bosses...
Yes, you all would produce

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I figured i should look into each players stats since Hitch arrived:

Sergei Fedorov C 12 7 8 15 +8
Rick Nash LW/RW 12 6 6 12 +4
Anson Carter RW 12 4 8 12 +7
David Vyborny C/RW 12 3 9 12 +7
Dan Fritsche C/W 12 4 5 9 +5
Ron Hainsey D 12 2 6 8 +6
Anders Eriksson D 12 0 8 8 +3
Jason Chimera LW 12 4 3 7 +5
Fredrik Modin LW 9 4 3 7 0
Gilbert Brule C/RW 12 2 2 4 -2
Alexander Svitov C 12 2 1 3 +2
Manny Malhotra C 12 1 2 3 -2
Adam Foote D 8 1 1 2 +2
Nikolai Zherdev LW/RW 7 1 1 2 -2
Aaron Johnson D 12 0 2 2 +6
Rostislav Klesla D 12 0 1 1 +2
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen 12 0 1 1 0
Filip Novak D 4 0 0 0 2
Alexandre Picard LW 5 0 0 0 0
Duvie Westcott D 2 0 0 0 -1
Jody Shelley LW 12 0 0 0 -3

Some suprises there but overall as expected and i think im going to watch this rest of the season, pretty interesting.
Fedorov is huge ^^
I've always liked feds and generally supported bringing him here but due to his age and cost I've also questioned his worth at times as well....let me go on record here and now.....he is worth every penny when motivated, and he loves Hitch!

When feds scored both those goals last night I was in his head...take this you SOB's, both shots were well thought out (in 20 milliseconds) and bullseyes.....

We will take him to to the playoffs one more time, either this year or next....in fact, if we make a deep run in the playoffs next year I predict a flag of some sort hanging in the Nat to honor his career here.........


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well put Robert

i did a new just to see the difference betwin what they did under GG and now under Hitch

Sergei Fedorov C
12 7 8 15 +8 (Hitch)
14 3 4 7 -5 (GG)

Rick Nash LW/RW
12 6 6 12 +4 (Hitch)
16 6 8 14 -5 (GG)

Anson Carter RW
12 4 8 12 +7 (Hitch)
20 2 2 4 -8 (GG)

David Vyborny C/RW
12 3 9 12 +7 (Hitch)
20 4 14 18 -4 (GG)

Dan Fritsche C/W
12 4 5 9 +5 (Hitch)
16 2 3 5 -2 (GG)

Ron Hainsey D
12 2 6 8 +6 (Hitch)
20 1 4 5 -12 (GG)

Anders Eriksson D
12 0 8 8 +3 (Hitch)
19 0 6 6 +2 (GG)

Jason Chimera LW
12 4 3 7 +5 (Hitch)
20 2 4 6 -5 (GG)

Fredrik Modin LW
9 4 3 7 0 (Hitch)
20 5 6 11 -1 (GG)

Gilbert Brule C/RW
12 2 2 4 -2 (Hitch)
16 1 1 2 -10 (GG)

Alexander Svitov C
12 2 1 3 +2 (Hitch)
18 1 1 2 -9 (GG)

Manny Malhotra C
12 1 2 3 -2 (Hitch)
20 2 3 5 -5 (GG)

Adam Foote D
8 1 1 2 +2 (Hitch)
20 0 4 4 -15 (GG)

Nikolai Zherdev LW/RW
7 1 1 2 -2 (Hitch)
19 5 5 10 -5 (GG)

Aaron Johnson D
12 0 2 2 +6 (Hitch)
12 0 2 2 -5 (GG)

Rostislav Klesla D
12 0 1 1 +2 (Hitch)
18 3 3 6 -5 (GG)

Ole-Kristian Tollefsen
10 0 1 1 0 (Hitch)
20 0 0 0 0 (GG)

Filip Novak D
4 0 0 0 2 (Hitch)
did not play (GG)

Alexandre Picard LW
5 0 0 0 0 (Hitch)
2 0 0 0 -1 (GG)

Duvie Westcott D
2 0 0 0 -1 (Hitch)
11 3 5 8 -6 (GG)

Jody Shelley LW
12 0 0 0 -3 (Hitch)
16 0 0 0 -2 (GG)

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OK Tollefsen hasn't played all 12 games under Hitch.

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