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12-21-2006, 03:10 PM
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Some evidence, sorry for the formatting

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SPLIT GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA ATOI
2002-2003 ANA 50 7 14 21 -4 12 77 9.1 1 6 14:18
… FLA 30 6 6 12 -4 22 54 11.1 2 1 14:43
2003-2004 FLA 56 6 13 19 -2 24 75 8.0 1 1 14:12
2005-2006 CAR 78 25 24 49 4 40 214 11.7 8 10 16:26

2006-07 33 7 11 18 -2 20 94 7.4 0 2 16:49

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SPLIT GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA ATOI
2002-2003 EDM 71 22 29 51 -8 10 177 12.4 7 14 19:04
2003-2004 EDM 61 16 26 42 18 15 144 11.1 1 9 19:14
2005-2006 NYI 75 13 39 52 -9 30 146 8.9 4 18 19:55

2006-07 32 6 7 13 -9 14 46 13.0 2 1 14:47

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Evidence of what?

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York was playing too many minutes.

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12-21-2006, 04:45 PM
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Which then begs the question where do his numbers go not being on the second line and with less minutes and how does his style react to the third line?

This is unfortunate catch-22 I seem to find York in right now.

On the one hand we can look at that and say he's getting too many minutes. On the other hand, what kind of production does then produce with less time on the third line and how does that effect his style, which would be effective if hadn't already seen to have taken a lot out of him and caused him to wear out.

That's the real double edged sword as I see it at this point.

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12-21-2006, 11:10 PM
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Our powerplay should be better with a top goal scorer and a top point getter on the same unit. I don't want to sound like a whiny fan, the pp is decent but it could probably be better and more consistent. Forgeting about stats and just watching the effectiveness, I think we have better options for the point than Straka and Roszival... at least Rosie has been shooting from the point of late which is nice to see.
I know what you're getting at I'd like to have a PP that likes to shoot too but they're not comfortable with that style. They like passing the puck around and waiting for the D to commit, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Stats show their PP works better than 22 other teams. I don't think its too much of a concern.

I think I can draw a parallel to Arod here. When Arod first came here Torre tried to change his hitting approach. He's a notorious "guess" hitter no matter how much he hates that distinction, he tried to change his apporach, tried to be Mr. Perfect to fans and the media and he stumbled. The next year Steinbrenner told him "be yourself," he did and won the MVP. Sometimes you have to go with what works and not try to fix something that isn't broken.

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12-22-2006, 08:37 AM
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I know what you're getting at I'd like to have a PP that likes to shoot too but they're not comfortable with that style. They like passing the puck around and waiting for the D to commit, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Stats show their PP works better than 22 other teams. I don't think its too much of a concern.
When you cannot score on a 5-on-3, it is a concern. They constantly overpass the puck. The PP also fails at the worst times. It IS a VERY uneven power play. One cannot pass the puck on net. It's not that THEY are not comfortable with it, but rather that Jagr, Straka, Rozsival & Nylander are not comfortable with it. This is the only team in the league who tries to move the puck up-ice by passing it backwards. When you consider that this is a unit that ices both Jagr & Shanny, it can be said that the PP is underacheving. The lack of any effort to change a gameplan that seems to center on making the perfect, prettiest play is alarming. You cannot have a PP that relies on making the perfect play in order to score. You have to get in there, outnumber the defenders, get your nose dirty and dig for goals. I would not call the Rangers PP a success.

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12-23-2006, 12:36 PM
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When you cannot score on a 5-on-3, it is a concern. They constantly overpass the puck. The PP also fails at the worst times. It IS a VERY uneven power play. One cannot pass the puck on net. It's not that THEY are not comfortable with it, but rather that Jagr, Straka, Rozsival & Nylander are not comfortable with it. This is the only team in the league who tries to move the puck up-ice by passing it backwards. When you consider that this is a unit that ices both Jagr & Shanny, it can be said that the PP is underacheving. The lack of any effort to change a gameplan that seems to center on making the perfect, prettiest play is alarming. You cannot have a PP that relies on making the perfect play in order to score. You have to get in there, outnumber the defenders, get your nose dirty and dig for goals. I would not call the Rangers PP a success.
I don't disagree with 5 on 3's they have to shoot more when they're up by two men and I think the PP can be better but much better? I'm not sure about that. Just because we have two great players doesn't mean we should be the best PP in the NHL. Top 10 isn't too shabby in my book. Other teams have a lot of talent too, Atlanta, Tampa, Carolina for example and we outrank them. If anyone is underachieving its them.

I think it comes down to preference. This is a style we're not used to and we hate it when it doesn't work. There are times when I scratch my head asking myself why they pass up a great scoring opportunity. I'd rather have a shot happy PP first, it does a lot more for a team, but I also won't discount a different style of play. It works for them and it is flawed imo but they're still in the top 10.

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