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12-27-2006, 11:46 AM
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If he's considered that much of a project, then the Kings won't grab him. Lombardi seems to want to draft safe picks, even if there is a kid who might be a home run still sitting there.

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12-28-2006, 09:09 PM
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Watched Gillies here in Bdn last night and he showed good hustle and no scoring ability. He's very tall and skinny, but not a physical force yet. Seems to have a hard time skating when handling the puck. Can't see him being a 1st rounder unless he gets a lot better in the 2nd half of the season....

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01-21-2007, 06:11 PM
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is bast the warrior your talkin about ?
Yep. People seem to love him. I like his consistency and numbers. He kind of sits in the shadows.
Missed out in the Bantam draft ,yet was was League MVP in his bantam draft year.Probably happens more often than we realize.
See if the same happens in the entry draft.

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Watched Gillies and he showed good hustle and no scoring ability. He's very tall and skinny, but not a physical force yet. Can't see him being a 1st rounder unless he gets a lot better in the 2nd half of the season....

Agreed, however I do see him breaking out sooner or later.

IMHO I see him going early second round.

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01-22-2007, 11:32 AM
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With Colton you always want more then he surprises you. I saw him totally undress the goalie for Kootenay on a breakway to score.

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Any blades fans here? It's totally normal not being on the scoresheet often when it's your draft especially in the dub. I've seen him once this year and he was receiving no pp time with third line icetime. Saw him on 2nd pp unit twice that is all. Will play a bigger role next year imo, he has alot of tools, I love his skills.

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01-22-2007, 01:52 PM
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The big risk for teams when they draft Gillies is that he could turn into a Ryan Reaves. Reaves is a good power forward with great athletic genes (Willard Reaves anyone) in the dub but his stone hands haven't developed. So unless Gillies develops a scoring touch in the 2nd half here I can't see anyone risking a first round pick on him. As far as not scoring many points in your draft year supposedly being normal, what about Mueller, White, Burki and Maxwell last year? They all scored 50 to 60 points I believe, whereas Gillies is on track for the mid thirties. Don't get me wrong, I love his size, but is that all he's going to have going for him?

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I've watched him 3 times and everytime I am suprised by his size, defensive play, work-ethic and his skill. But it's like nothing bounces right for him like the other game when he had the puck on his stick on a wrap-around the puck just bounced away from him on what should have been a goal. If he can't find the net in junior, he's going to have even more trouble in the NHL.

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Count me among the skeptics.

When it comes to size and the things you can teach, it's all there. Any scout will be drawn to a player that big with that kind of speed. It's the things you can't teach - the hockey sense, the instincts - that are lacking. I have doubts about how the kid thinks the game. And if given the choice between a kid who can think the game and one who struggles to think the game, I'll take the kid who can think the game every time.

The question becomes will he become a Nikita Alexeev type - and keep in mind how long it's taken Alexeev to get a regular shift in the NHL - or worse, a Jay Legault type. Or is he going to be that player, like a Benoit Poulliot or a Dustin Penner, with the size and the tools, who figures it out at a later stage in his career. That's the question that scouts need to ask before picking him.

I wouldn't pick him in the top 15 or 20 picks. If I'm at 25-30 and I'm in need of a big player who could be a really good third liner - and might even develop into a top six forward - then I'd take him. He's the type who could really build a scout's reputation, or he's a guy that a team picks and winds up kicking themselves in the future.

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If he's considered that much of a project, then the Kings won't grab him. Lombardi seems to want to draft safe picks, even if there is a kid who might be a home run still sitting there.
wow! i think that was the fastest change of hearth about a prospect i ever saw, i think it's easy to think that you like on what you read rather then what you saw I only saw Gillies once and he's just one of those players where you go, if only.... Unless i'm at the 25-30th overall range i woudn't take the risk

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Is there a reason why he couldn't be another Turner Stevenson?
Yeah... he skates too well for one thing.

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how many firsts does LA have?

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01-23-2007, 12:36 AM
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Count me among the skeptics.

When it comes to size and the things you can teach, it's all there. Any scout will be drawn to a player that big with that kind of speed. It's the things you can't teach - the hockey sense, the instincts - that are lacking. I have doubts about how the kid thinks the game. And if given the choice between a kid who can think the game and one who struggles to think the game, I'll take the kid who can think the game every time.

The question becomes will he become a Nikita Alexeev type - and keep in mind how long it's taken Alexeev to get a regular shift in the NHL - or worse, a Jay Legault type. Or is he going to be that player, like a Benoit Poulliot or a Dustin Penner, with the size and the tools, who figures it out at a later stage in his career. That's the question that scouts need to ask before picking him.

I wouldn't pick him in the top 15 or 20 picks. If I'm at 25-30 and I'm in need of a big player who could be a really good third liner - and might even develop into a top six forward - then I'd take him. He's the type who could really build a scout's reputation, or he's a guy that a team picks and winds up kicking themselves in the future.
But the thing is, it's only his hockey sense in the offensive end of the ice that is lacking. His work ethic, physical game, and defensive game are all very sound, and project well to the NHL, especially with his physical gifts.

But because of those physical gifts and lack of offensive results, people immediately want to compare him to guys like Legault, Alexeev, etc. - players who were lazy, flaky, and clueless in their own zone. Classic all tools/no toolbox players, and I don't thing that's fair at all. To me, he's a big, fast, high-end 3rd line prospect. A bigger Ryan Kesler or something along those lines.

I don't view him as a project at all - to me, he's the exact opposite. Looks like a project because of a couple high-end skills, but underneath it actually a really safe pick. Big, hard-working, fast as hell, willing to mix it up. No way he doesn't play in the NHL and he'll be a key 3rd line player for someone, but he's never going to clear 50 points.

Past the 15-20 range, I'd have no problem taking him at all.

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how many firsts does LA have?
Right now one. But I'd be surprised if we didn't add another one by the deadline or at the draft.

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But the thing is, it's only his hockey sense in the offensive end of the ice that is lacking. His work ethic, physical game, and defensive game are all very sound, and project well to the NHL, especially with his physical gifts.

But because of those physical gifts and lack of offensive results, people immediately want to compare him to guys like Legault, Alexeev, etc. - players who were lazy, flaky, and clueless in their own zone. Classic all tools/no toolbox players, and I don't thing that's fair at all. To me, he's a big, fast, high-end 3rd line prospect. A bigger Ryan Kesler or something along those lines.

I don't view him as a project at all - to me, he's the exact opposite. Looks like a project because of a couple high-end skills, but underneath it actually a really safe pick. Big, hard-working, fast as hell, willing to mix it up. No way he doesn't play in the NHL and he'll be a key 3rd line player for someone, but he's never going to clear 50 points.

Past the 15-20 range, I'd have no problem taking him at all.
An in his prime Scott Thornton?

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But the thing is, it's only his hockey sense in the offensive end of the ice that is lacking. His work ethic, physical game, and defensive game are all very sound, and project well to the NHL, especially with his physical gifts.

But because of those physical gifts and lack of offensive results, people immediately want to compare him to guys like Legault, Alexeev, etc. - players who were lazy, flaky, and clueless in their own zone. Classic all tools/no toolbox players, and I don't thing that's fair at all. To me, he's a big, fast, high-end 3rd line prospect. A bigger Ryan Kesler or something along those lines.

I don't view him as a project at all - to me, he's the exact opposite. Looks like a project because of a couple high-end skills, but underneath it actually a really safe pick. Big, hard-working, fast as hell, willing to mix it up. No way he doesn't play in the NHL and he'll be a key 3rd line player for someone, but he's never going to clear 50 points.

Past the 15-20 range, I'd have no problem taking him at all.
Bingo. MS knows his hockey.

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But the thing is, it's only his hockey sense in the offensive end of the ice that is lacking. His work ethic, physical game, and defensive game are all very sound, and project well to the NHL, especially with his physical gifts.

But because of those physical gifts and lack of offensive results, people immediately want to compare him to guys like Legault, Alexeev, etc. - players who were lazy, flaky, and clueless in their own zone. Classic all tools/no toolbox players, and I don't thing that's fair at all. To me, he's a big, fast, high-end 3rd line prospect. A bigger Ryan Kesler or something along those lines.

I don't view him as a project at all - to me, he's the exact opposite. Looks like a project because of a couple high-end skills, but underneath it actually a really safe pick. Big, hard-working, fast as hell, willing to mix it up. No way he doesn't play in the NHL and he'll be a key 3rd line player for someone, but he's never going to clear 50 points.

Past the 15-20 range, I'd have no problem taking him at all.

Although I do agree with you, with the variety and depth through out the first couple rounds there are bound to be some high level prospects still around at the 15-25 range, do you pass on a say D Thomas Hickey, D Mark Katic or LW Ruslan Bashkirov for Gillies who will in all likely hood be a third liner if these guys are still available?

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But the thing is, it's only his hockey sense in the offensive end of the ice that is lacking. His work ethic, physical game, and defensive game are all very sound, and project well to the NHL, especially with his physical gifts.

But because of those physical gifts and lack of offensive results, people immediately want to compare him to guys like Legault, Alexeev, etc. - players who were lazy, flaky, and clueless in their own zone. Classic all tools/no toolbox players, and I don't thing that's fair at all. To me, he's a big, fast, high-end 3rd line prospect. A bigger Ryan Kesler or something along those lines.

I don't view him as a project at all - to me, he's the exact opposite. Looks like a project because of a couple high-end skills, but underneath it actually a really safe pick. Big, hard-working, fast as hell, willing to mix it up. No way he doesn't play in the NHL and he'll be a key 3rd line player for someone, but he's never going to clear 50 points.

Past the 15-20 range, I'd have no problem taking him at all.
i would. there are much better available, we already have josh green, no use wasting a high pick on another.

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i would. there are much better available, we already have josh green, no use wasting a high pick on another.
With 15 onwards its always a crapshoot with all players having deficiencies or else Bergeron would have gone top 5.. With Gillies you have a player that may grow into his body.

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With 15 onwards its always a crapshoot with all players having deficiencies or else Bergeron would have gone top 5.. With Gillies you have a player that may grow into his body.
I could be convinced that he's worth a 15 to 30 pick, ( you guys are doing a good job on me!) just not top 10...

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Watched Gillies again tonight. he scored a nice garbage goal, tried pretty hard but was knocked around pretty good by Keaves, Robak and Kohn. I see hustle, I see effort, I see size, I see good hockey genes, but i don't see top 10 pick. I see Andrew McBain at the low end, I see Trevor Linden at the high end.
Incidentally, the Blades have improved quite a bit as a team, should be good next year. best players on the ice tonight were Brad Cole, Holtby and Justin McRae for the Blades, Topilko, Cagalurri and Klinkhammer for the WK's.

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Although I do agree with you, with the variety and depth through out the first couple rounds there are bound to be some high level prospects still around at the 15-25 range, do you pass on a say D Thomas Hickey, D Mark Katic or LW Ruslan Bashkirov for Gillies who will in all likely hood be a third liner if these guys are still available?

Teams will be passing on Bashkirov in the 15-25 range, unless you're talking about baseball and the 15-25th round.

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Watched Gillies again tonight. he scored a nice garbage goal, tried pretty hard but was knocked around pretty good by Keaves, Robak and Kohn. I see hustle, I see effort, I see size, I see good hockey genes, but i don't see top 10 pick. I see Andrew McBain at the low end, I see Trevor Linden at the high end.
Incidentally, the Blades have improved quite a bit as a team, should be good next year. best players on the ice tonight were Brad Cole, Holtby and Justin McRae for the Blades, Topilko, Cagalurri and Klinkhammer for the WK's.
If Setoguchi was still in Saskatoon Gillies and McRaes stock would be higher

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