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12-21-2006, 04:28 PM
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Just the Dion family would fill the rink.
Imagine the mess

the team loses on the "Les ptits pts de maman Dion" night...

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12-21-2006, 04:39 PM
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Scared? I'm mortified, petrified, stupefied...

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12-21-2006, 04:47 PM
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The channel versus is available in 88 millions of households...the viewers for a hockey game is at 140 000 viewers!! So you can give all the exposure you want, the hockey is not popular in US.
Ah, but I'm thinking from the league point of view. I think its a fantastic opportunity to expose the NHL to an entire new market, who know how to promote. The NHL could learn from the brilliant Vegas Promoters, it would take the game to an incredible level. A chance to break into a new market, as the only professional sport, is a once in a lifetime event. (With apologies to UNLV's athletic department)


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I don't see how the hockey could become suddenly popular in Las Vegas. The hockey there would probably become like a permanent show and to me, this is a insult to the sport of hockey. There is a few towns in northern US and in Canada who are dying for a hockey team, towns where the kids could go see a hockey game and then start to play hockey like the guys they saw on the ice.
It seems to be already popular. I've been there countless times during the playoffs, and the betting rooms are packed with hockey fans. Sure they may be transplanted Canadians, or US fans.. but its quite electric.


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Hockey is not just a show, this is professionnal sport just like the MLB, the NFL, the NBA, and the champion league in Europe.
I disagree a bit. All sports are a show, they are entertainment. Its the way its presented as to how its perceived by the public. The NHL is perceived as a joke, by the non-traditional markets, because they still don't know how to market the game in the non-hockey markets.

The haven't the faintest idea how to market the stars, how the present the package, or deliver the entertainment value.

This is why I think the NHL could learn so much from being in Vegas.

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12-21-2006, 04:49 PM
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Well a team in vegs would sell out every seat most nights for sure with the Casino's giving many as comps. They do have a very rapidly growing population, I believe it is THE FASTEST growing city in the US over the past 10 years.

As for the make-up of new divisions it would be wicked if Buffalo went to the Atlantic and Detroit joined Montreal Toronto and Boston in the north east.

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12-21-2006, 04:56 PM
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Am I the only one scared to see a NHL concession in Las Vegas??? When you know that cities like Winnipeg and Quebec don't have a NHL team anymore.... Plus we all know that a lot of NHL players have gambling addictions...

Las Vegas is mostly a touristic city, how can you expect this town to see a ''home'' crowd? I see so many problems with this possibility, this is scarying me...I think it would be a major insult to the sport, a NHL team is not just a attraction

Here is the link http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/219736.html

The possible cities where the Penguins could be moved...

Kansas City, Las Vegas, Houston, Portland and Winnipeg
You have no clue what you're talking about. Actually, most non-residents have absolutely no clue about Vegas, so I don't blame you.

As for hockey, the ECHL Las Vegas Wranglers average attendance is over 5,500 per game. Those are pretty much hardcore hockey fans there, nobody else goes to see those games. Hell, I'd say I'm a hardcore hockey fan and I've only ever been to one Wrangler game.

http://www.echl.com/cgi-bin/mpublic....&cat=1&id=8053

If they can get 5,500 people to watch ECHL hockey, I don't see much of a problem filling the remaining seats if it were an NHL team. The Las Vegas Thunder had a nice following when they were good 10 years ago, but it's hard to get a solid fanbase when every player you help develop leaves. We'd sell out every game easily with the team the Penguins have now.

Bayrider and Habs are also spot on with all of their points. The only impediment is actually the casinos themselves, as betting on NHL games would no longer be allowed.

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12-21-2006, 05:03 PM
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From a Habs POV this wouldn't be so bad. Playing in a crappy non-hockey market with no strong residential fan base, Crosby will be all the more likely to bolt once he's a free agent. Presuming the Habs would be near or at the top of his list, that could work out well for us.

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12-21-2006, 05:11 PM
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I'm not scare. Las Vegas could work, I guess. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the team moving to Winnipeg or Quebec, where hockey belongs.

(That said, I don't want to hear everyday from Quebec Cities' reporters how good Crosby and co. are and how MTL doesn't have that type of player, and that the referees prefer MTL, etc... I don't want the cheap rivalry back... It was so juvenile. A good rivalry, I say yes, but that one wasn't)

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12-21-2006, 05:17 PM
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Vegas is a legitimate city now. It's not just a tourist attraction. Long overdue for an NHL team to be there imo. It's a natural fit.

They'd have to take their games off the board, but that's not a big deal.

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12-21-2006, 05:21 PM
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NHL has a hard time in Florida because they tought at first the tourists would go to the games, but they don't. I'm not sure how a Vegas experience would be different...
Comparing Vegas to Florida... great comparison !!!!
Vegas is one of the most hippest, fun, sports betting, places in the world...
try it before you knock it...
I played in a hockey tourny in Vegas back in the early 90's at The Orleans Hotel and Casino..it was a blast..and the stands were full of drunken' billigeret fans..JUST the way hockey is suppose to be ...Viva Las Vegas..I go 3 times a year and would love to go see the NHL in the City of Sin..
Winnipeg doesn't deserve hockay any more then Quebec city does...
Tried that, been there, didn't work move on !!!!

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12-21-2006, 05:31 PM
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Vegas is a legitimate city now. It's not just a tourist attraction. Long overdue for an NHL team to be there imo. It's a natural fit.

They'd have to take their games off the board, but that's not a big deal.
I have no doubt that Las Vegas is a legitimate city but as far as NHL everyone knows where the next NHL team should go. Even without Stall, Crosby and Malkin this place would be a mad house each and every time the Penguins or any other NHL team steped on to the ice.

Winnipeg whiteouts are back.

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12-21-2006, 05:32 PM
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I have no doubt that Las Vegas is a legitimate city but as far as NHL everyone knows where the next NHL team should go. Even without Stall, Crosby and Malkin this place would be a mad house each and every time the Penguins or any other NHL team steped on to the ice.

Winnipeg whiteouts are back.
This is what I don't understand, with repsects to your opinion. Winnipeg would be a step backwards for the league. How could Winnipeg possibly benefit the NHL? How could Hamilton? They can't. There is no market at all for these cities, that benefits the league. Sure, thousands of Winnipeger's would be happy, but there is no draw for any network exposure.

The game has to grow, plopping a team in Winnipeg would be more than a step backwards. There will always be a soft spot for the Jets, in the back of my mind, but its over. Goodbye, those days are gone.

The days of a successful franchise being determined, by the people in the arena, are long gone.

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12-21-2006, 05:51 PM
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Vegas could very well be a reality some day. City is growing a lot and it's image has changed a lot in the recent past. This wouldn't be surprising. Crosby in Vegas.

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12-21-2006, 05:55 PM
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Let the NHL be innovative and daring... be the first professional league to put a franchise in Las Vegas. As someone else mentioned, the tickets will all be bought by casinos and whatnot, as to whether there are bums in the seats is another story.

Jacques Demers was on OTR just a little while ago saying Winnipeg deserved the franchise..

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12-21-2006, 05:58 PM
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Isn't there a minor team in Vegas or something?

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If the Pens are leaving Pittsburgh it'll definitely be in the west. Which means we'll probably end up with Detroit in the Eastern conference.
Nope..Detroit is a Western Staple...

Columbus and Nashville are the most Eastern cities and St. Paul 3rd....

Nashville is very closes to atlanta...and columber is not that farther...

either way it sucks...cause either Nashville gets an easy pass playing that division or the divisions will get an easy pass playing Columbus

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Nope..Detroit is a Western Staple...

Columbus and Nashville are the most Eastern cities and St. Paul 3rd....

Nashville is very closes to atlanta...and columber is not that farther...

either way it sucks...cause either Nashville gets an easy pass playing that division or the divisions will get an easy pass playing Columbus
Columbus over Detroit, sure. Nashville perhaps. Minnesota? They can't put Minnesota in the Eastern conference, as there would be an entire division of teams further east than they would be! (Detroit, Columbus, Nashville, Chicago, St. Louis)

As for the "easy pass" I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Atlantic would then be the "Atlantic and North Central (but not too central)" division.

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12-21-2006, 06:11 PM
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From a Habs POV this wouldn't be so bad. Playing in a crappy non-hockey market with no strong residential fan base, Crosby will be all the more likely to bolt once he's a free agent. Presuming the Habs would be near or at the top of his list, that could work out well for us.
Really? I could see them paying Crosby a boatload just to keep him in Vegas. I could also see Crosby possibly liking the city/climate.

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Really? I could see them paying Crosby a boatload just to keep him in Vegas. I could also see Crosby possibly liking the city/climate.
With the cap, the only variable is term of contract, and since he's going to get the league max every year anyway, that's probably a non-factor.

I don't think a future legend like Crosby would want to be associated throughout his career with the Las Vegas Whatevers. The Montreal Canadiens, on the other hand...

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Vegas ought to be in the running for an NBA team, not hockey.The prime major market for a potential move, is Houston.It has a large TV market and is a natural for a move, especially with a superstar like Crosby.

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With the cap, the only variable is term of contract, and since he's going to get the league max every year anyway, that's probably a non-factor.

I don't think a future legend like Crosby would want to be associated throughout his career with the Las Vegas Whatevers. The Montreal Canadiens, on the other hand...
I largely agree with you, but athletes these days.

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You have no clue what you're talking about. Actually, most non-residents have absolutely no clue about Vegas, so I don't blame you.

As for hockey, the ECHL Las Vegas Wranglers average attendance is over 5,500 per game. Those are pretty much hardcore hockey fans there, nobody else goes to see those games. Hell, I'd say I'm a hardcore hockey fan and I've only ever been to one Wrangler game.

http://www.echl.com/cgi-bin/mpublic....&cat=1&id=8053

If they can get 5,500 people to watch ECHL hockey, I don't see much of a problem filling the remaining seats if it were an NHL team. The Las Vegas Thunder had a nice following when they were good 10 years ago, but it's hard to get a solid fanbase when every player you help develop leaves. We'd sell out every game easily with the team the Penguins have now.

Bayrider and Habs are also spot on with all of their points. The only impediment is actually the casinos themselves, as betting on NHL games would no longer be allowed.
Thanks for the insight, I know that my vision of Las Vegas is not extremely accurate and I am happy to see that the attendence is good for your east coast hockey league team.

But you need to figure that for a Habs fans who saw opponenent team like Quebec, Winnipeg and Hartfords being relocated in wierd hockey markets like Carolina (their arena is always empty), Phoenix (why the hell a hockey team in Phoenix) and Colorado (who is at least a good hockey market) this is not a attractive possibility.

I saw the Habs playing lately (on the road) in a empty arena where there is absolutely 0 activity, this is extremely sad. If the hockey can't receive more attention in the US, they should send some US teams to the north.

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I have no doubt that Las Vegas is a legitimate city but as far as NHL everyone knows where the next NHL team should go. Even without Stall, Crosby and Malkin this place would be a mad house each and every time the Penguins or any other NHL team steped on to the ice.

Winnipeg whiteouts are back.
Obviously Lemieux is gonna think about money first. He's going to have to find a secret buyer before he moves the team, no matter what he says. Then he moves the team and keeps a small share of the team and makes back the money the Pens owed him from the bankruptcy (and a whole lot more).

Not sure how keen the NHL is on going to Winnipeg. The owners will have something to say about it, no doubt.

I would think that Houston would be the ideal place. But a Las Vegas team offers tons of publicity potential.

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I'd hate to see the Pens move because of their history with Mario and the 2 cup wins they had in 91 & 92. I don't understand why the city won't build them a new arena.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be amazing if Canada could get another team?

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I'd hate to see the Pens move because of their history with Mario and the 2 cup wins they had in 91 & 92. I don't understand why the city won't build them a new arena.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be amazing if Canada could get another team?
I don't understand why they decided against one casino that was going to build an arena over another one that isn't.

If the issue was tax dollars or morality (gambling), then I'd understand. But this makes no sense.

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