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12-01-2003, 09:33 AM
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at the quarter poll, who are your top 10 candidites for the...

vezina trophy?

here are my top 10 in order:

1) Brodeur
2) Pasi Nurminen
3) Luongo
4) Aebischer
5) Cloutier
6) Dunham
7) Theodore
8) Khabibulin
9) Belfour
10) Burke

yours?
and why?-

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12-01-2003, 09:42 AM
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Brodeur and Khabibulin top my list, everyone else is a step or two below IMO. I think Tomas Vokoun will garner a lot of attention if he keeps playing like he has.

If I had to rank them at this time, it would look like this:

1.) Martin Brodeur

2.) Nikolai Khabibulin
3.) Tomas Vokoun
T4.) David Aebischer
T4.) Dan Cloutier
6.) Chris Osgood
7.) Roberto Luongo
8.) Pasi Nurminen
9.) Jose Theodore
10.) Andrew Raycroft

But right now, Brodeur has to be the favorite to win.


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This is an odd year... Cloutier is having a very ggod year, but his playoff collapses will prevent him from winning.

Really it boils down to Brodeur, Cechmanek and Theodore so far. You could even throw Hackett in there.

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12-01-2003, 09:55 AM
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This is an odd year... Cloutier is having a very ggod year, but his playoff collapses will prevent him from winning.

Really it boils down to Brodeur, Cechmanek and Theodore so far. You could even throw Hackett in there.
I don't think Cechmanek is having the kind of year at least statistically that warrants Vezina consideration.

Theodore stats are decent, but his team likely won't make the playoffs which will probably kill any consideration he may receive.

I have to agree with the poster above, Khabibulin and Brodeur are head and shoulders above the rest of the candidates right now. However, alot can change as we have only played 1/4 of the season.

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You could even throw Hackett in there.
At this point Esche has the edge as the #1, although no #1 has been decided yet. Hackett has played fine and in 2 more games, but Esche has played better (and his numbers are better).

Right now: Brodeur, Khabibulin, Roloson, Raycroft

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This is an odd year... Cloutier is having a very ggod year, but his playoff collapses will prevent him from winning.


Can you explain why a playoff collapse would keep him from winning the Vezina ? The vezina trophy is a regular season trophy and is voted before, or during the playoffs. No link whatsoever with how he plays in the playoffs.

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I'd be interested in seeing if Gerber and Grahame could win it with more starts. Don't see it happening this season, but you have to appreciate what both of them have done so far. Grahame's play has been just like what Schwab did last year behind Brodeur. Not too many bad games I can think of at all. Sotnos, why aren't you cheerleading for him more? He seems to be a markedly improved goaltender from his days in Boston. I think Ftorek and Mike O'Connell really gave him a new life in deciding he wasn't the man in nets for the Bruins.

 
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I'd be interested in seeing if Gerber and Grahame could win it with more starts. Don't see it happening this season, but you have to appreciate what both of them have done so far. Grahame's play has been just like what Schwab did last year behind Brodeur. Not too many bad games I can think of at all. Sotnos, why aren't you cheerleading for him more? He seems to be a markedly improved goaltender from his days in Boston. I think Ftorek and Mike O'Connell really gave him a new life in deciding he wasn't the man in nets for the Bruins.
I try not to cheerlead too much around here, as it would probably bring me nothing but grief, but since you asked...

I love the way Grahame has played since he's been here, he's fixed the flaws in his technique and uses his size to his advantage. I have a tape of a game Tampa played against him when he was with Boston last year, and he was flopping all over the place. You don't see that now, doesn't even look like the same guy. Grahame gives all the credit to our goalie coach for helping him correct his problems.

He has yet to give up more than 2 goals in a game so far this year, and the only reason his record isn't better is because the team's in a very bad scoring slump. I would argue that he saved Tampa's season last spring when he put together a string of great games while Khabi was having one of his dry spells.

Grahame has come a long way from the guy who was visibly VERY upset on NHL2Nite about being traded here. He's obviously settled in very nicely, and probably still has enough of a chip on his shoulder about getting traded to keep him motivated. Khabi's still the acknowledged #1 but neither the coach or the players call Grahame a backup. As Lecavalier said a few weeks ago, "We think of them as 1A and 1B".

I hope they keep this tandem together all year, it's almost a perfect situation right now, and I see only good things for both of them. I think Grahame will get at least 20 starts this year, the way he's been playing you just can't let him sit for too long.

and that's my book on John Grahame.

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This is an odd year... Cloutier is having a very ggod year, but his playoff collapses will prevent him from winning.

Really it boils down to Brodeur, Cechmanek and Theodore so far. You could even throw Hackett in there.
Cechmanek doesn't realy deserve it imo. One night he lets in 2 soft goals and another night he robs a team like the Stars. If he's hot there is no way of beating him one-on-one.

1) Broduer
2) Knabibulin
3) Denis
4) Nurminen
5) Osgood

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Brodeur for Vezina

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Brodeur for Vezina
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Even a Flyers fan agrees that Brodeur is the frontrunner for the Vezina.

Other contenders:

Khabibulin
Theodore
Esche
Osgood
Weekes---plays well even though the team sucks.

Personally, I think it's too early to picking names for awards.

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sean burke? the guy who plays in phoenix? he warrants as much consideration for the vezina as dan mcgillis does- none.


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Even a Flyers fan agrees that Brodeur is the frontrunner for the Vezina.

Other contenders:

Khabibulin
Theodore
Esche
Osgood
Weekes---plays well even though the team sucks.

Personally, I think it's too early to picking names for awards.
It's a quarter pole topic.

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the Flyers are definitely better without Cechamenk so far and the numbers that both Hackett/Esche have put up are as good as anybody in the league.

Hackett - 12GMS - 7W - 2L - 3T - 3SO - 1.80GAA - .921SV%

Esche - 10GMS - 7W - 1L - 2T - 1SO - 1.77GAA - .926SV%

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Only one person has mentioned Tomas Vokoun......defensive player of the month? Come on guys! Vok. carries the Predators. If the Preds make the playoffs this year, he deserves serious consideration.

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Only one person has mentioned Tomas Vokoun......defensive player of the month? Come on guys! Vok. carries the Predators. If the Preds make the playoffs this year, he deserves serious consideration.
Week. Vokoun won defensive player of the week ended Nov 30. I'm pretty sure the player of the month awards haven't been announced yet (or else Yahoo sports is terribly out of the loop) - and I don't possibly see how Brodeur could lose the Defensive Player of the Month for November.

Brodeur: 8-1-3, 3 SO, 1.30 GAA, .943 Sv%.
Vokoun: 8-4-1, 0 SO, 2.43 GAA, .915 Sv%

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the Flyers are definitely better without Cechamenk so far and the numbers that both Hackett/Esche have put up are as good as anybody in the league.

Hackett - 12GMS - 7W - 2L - 3T - 3SO - 1.80GAA - .921SV%

Esche - 10GMS - 7W - 1L - 2T - 1SO - 1.77GAA - .926SV%
But is either one of them, alone, a Vezina winner? Has there ever been a Vezina winner playing under 60% of his team's games? These two can share the Jennings, but I really don't see how either one can be a Vezina finalist unless one of them is promoted to a 75% starter.


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The lack of games played by both Hackett & Esche should dismiss them.

Burke has been terrible this year, and Cechmanek has been hot and cold, but not nearly close to Vezina-standards.

Cloutier has actually been very good, and with many other goalies out there floundering, he probobly deserves to be in and around the top 5 on most lists.

Raycroft hasn't started a whole lot, but I think should deserve some nods.

Haven't seen Khabibulin play much this year.

Brodeur is having a killer season already though. Looks like the runaway winner so far.

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Luongo has been sensational for the cats and has had only 1 or 2 sub-spectacular outings this year (against ATL and the Rags). Night after night he faces 35+ shots and 25 of them are from scoring range. Without him, the panthers would have like only 2 wins. He is my pick but will not win because of his somewhat higher GAA compared to the top teams goalies. Brodeur is the odds on favorite. Grahame has played too few games adn Khabibulin has been great.

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Raycroft hasn't started a whole lot, but I think should deserve some nods.
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i don't think so- rayzor has been pretty good, but definitely not vezina material. he's more likely to have a shot at the calder this season, but will have very tough competition from pitkanen and fleury. guys like king, bergeron, etc. i believe will fall off a bit. raycroft/pitkanen/fleury should be the final 3 IMO. i know i sidetracked here, b/c it's a vezina thread, but no big deal. rayzor for vezina? nope.

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vezina trophy?

here are my top 10 in order:

1) Brodeur
2) Pasi Nurminen
3) Luongo
4) Aebischer
5) Cloutier
6) Dunham
7) Theodore
8) Khabibulin
9) Belfour
10) Burke

yours?
and why?-

what?
no Swiss Miss or Swiss cheese comments?



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How pathetic no mention of Esche or Hackett...both of them are in the top 5 in GAA and top 10 in SV% and Hacket is tied for second in shutouts.

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How pathetic no mention of Esche or Hackett...both of them are in the top 5 in GAA and top 10 in SV% and Hacket is tied for second in shutouts.
Its because they play in a defense first system, unlike Brodeur. Wait a minute...

I do not believe Brodeur should win it this year, simply because he should not have won it last year.

I would pick Khabibulin so far, though I admit I have not seen him play much this season.

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Its because they play in a defense first system, unlike Brodeur. Wait a minute

Yes those Devils sure are an offensive jugernaught.

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