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12-23-2006, 09:44 PM
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Not that Luongo isn't better than Theodore, but I'm not sure the answer is ANY high priced goalie. Look at the final four last season: Ryan Miller, Cam Ward, Ilya Bryzgalov and Dwayne Roloson... only Roloson had previous playoff experience and none of them were big contract guys. The key is good defense combined with solid goaltending. A high priced goalie like Luongo or Theodore makes it more difficult to have a balanced team in front.

Maybe last year was an abberation, but with the NHL opening up the game, it's more difficult for a goalie to take over games.
That's what makes goaltending even more important now. With the new rules, the opposition is going to get some great chances on you, and you need a goalie to bail you out and make some great saves every now and then. I think you can still have a balanced team in front of a higher paid goalie, especially with the cap going up again, but he has to play consistently well.

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Cullimore bleeding.. Double-minor.

2 minutes and 44 seconds left 5vs4 for third period.
Not too fond of calling a double minor there. Cullimore lifted Hejduk's stick into his own face. Milan was trying to stick handle and move his stick across his body, but Cullimore lifted it and it raked across his face.

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12-23-2006, 09:47 PM
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Interesting point view. I don't want miracles from our goalies, i just want them to make key-saves during crucial times. Timing is the key. You make a save and your team gets momemtum. Our goalies aren't doing that right now. Making those saves which could turn team around.
I don't think using 5-6 million for a goalie is too much, because i think goaltender is the most important player on the ice. We have 2 guys making almost 6 million, Sakic and Theodore. I think it's okay to have 2 guys making around 6 million per year, if they contribute for the team. See Ducks, Pronger and Niedermayer.
I think it's fine to pay a goaltender that much, provided you are able to find good bargains elsewhere to fill out the roster. Luongo has a nearly $7 million cap hit and the Canucks haven't been able to fill out the roster with enough supporting talent to field a winning team. If I could direct the money being spent on Theodore elsewhere, I'd direct it at a defensemen or maybe a Selke caliber forward rather than an even more expensive goaltender.

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12-23-2006, 09:53 PM
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Not too fond of calling a double minor there. Cullimore lifted Hejduk's stick into his own face. Milan was trying to stick handle and move his stick across his body, but Cullimore lifted it and it raked across his face.
I've never quite understood the way they call high sticking -- it looked to me like Vaananen's penalty (which Haynes called high sticking, not sure if that was correct) was one in which the Hawk dove down onto Ossi's stick ... whether it was hooking or what, the Hawk put himself down on the stick while Vaananen kept his stick on the ice.

In soccer, it's illegal to do that. You can't put your head down in a dangerous position, near someone's foot, or you get a penalty. Now, in soccer, using your head is part of the game, and it isn't (usually) in hockey, so I guess that will be a little different, but I still think the person who owns the face needs to bear some responsibility.

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12-23-2006, 10:09 PM
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That's what makes goaltending even more important now. With the new rules, the opposition is going to get some great chances on you, and you need a goalie to bail you out and make some great saves every now and then. I think you can still have a balanced team in front of a higher paid goalie, especially with the cap going up again, but he has to play consistently well.
I do agree with this, my point was probably more directed at the Avs specific situation than a general team building philosophy than I let on. I wouldn't want to see the Avs try to fix their defensive woes by trying to find a great goaltender who can cover up their current problems.

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12-23-2006, 10:11 PM
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If Ruutu doesn't like getting belted into the boards, maybe he should watch the frickin' elbows.

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12-23-2006, 10:13 PM
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12-23-2006, 10:16 PM
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BOOO! No goal.

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12-23-2006, 10:18 PM
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BOOO! No goal.
You knew it wasn't going to be. The whistle should have been blown way before Turgeon had it in the net.

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12-23-2006, 10:25 PM
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Phew....Nice win. Defense was fairly solid, limiting the shots Theodore faced.

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12-23-2006, 10:25 PM
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12-23-2006, 10:26 PM
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Theo settled down pretty nice after the first 10 minutes or so. Fairly good effort, the Hawks were a little flat.

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12-23-2006, 10:29 PM
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Theo settled down pretty nice after the first 10 minutes or so. Fairly good effort, the Hawks were a little flat.
He didn't face too many shots after the 1st period...

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Pulled out the win. Good stuff. We're #1, we're #1 - I trust the Sharks

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Totally agree with the three stars: Wolski, Sakic, Skrastins. (You had to have an "s" and a "k" in your name to rate a star tonight. Klee was good, too, but he is lacking an "s." Laaksonen was fourth star.)

Never felt confident though -- thankfully, Chicago sort of fell apart as the game went on. The Avs need to learn to win these games, though, which is different from what happened during the first third of the season: they always lost those games.

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12-23-2006, 11:38 PM
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Just got back from the game.

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And suddenly......third in the conference....

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Here's a question or all you guys and gals.

IF Turgeon can keep up his play...scratch that...even if he slips just a little (but not a lot )

Would you be in favor of re-signing him in the off-season?

I, myself, would...albeit it at a little bit of a cheaper price (however, he keeps playing like this, 1.5 won't look TOO bad)

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12-24-2006, 03:22 AM
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Here's a question or all you guys and gals.

IF Turgeon can keep up his play...scratch that...even if he slips just a little (but not a lot )

Would you be in favor of re-signing him in the off-season?

I, myself, would...albeit it at a little bit of a cheaper price (however, he keeps playing like this, 1.5 won't look TOO bad)
I'd rather let him go and fill in a roster spot with someone younger. Unless he signs for something crazy, I'd rather let him walk.

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12-24-2006, 03:51 AM
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If him and Arnason come cheap they give the Avs great depth offensively since both are good playmakers. But I'd rather see some tougher players on the bottom 6.

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12-24-2006, 04:12 AM
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If him and Arnason come cheap they give the Avs great depth offensively since both are good playmakers. But I'd rather see some tougher players on the bottom 6.
One of Arnie and Turgs should be signed. Go for 3 balanced lines.
i'd like to see both back though...

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12-24-2006, 05:21 AM
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Cullimore great shot!

Awesome pass from Sakic. Wolski flying on the ice.

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12-24-2006, 06:18 AM
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I did enjoy the Cullimore shot...the Hawks broadcast team on it:

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You see Khabibulin, there was nothing he could do about it, it was a perfect shot by Cullimore...unfortunately
To be fair to Theo, he was shaky right off the bat. That first goal is on Liles and Lappy, who both failed to take a man, which led to a bang bang passing play that no goalie could have had.

The second goal however, that was kind of blah.

But in between, he made that falling kick save, which he probably didn't mean to make, but it still looked good. And he looked solid when the Hawks put out the extra attacker at the end.

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12-24-2006, 07:34 AM
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Colorado's late success is based on improved powerplay and penalty kill. Now they just have to keep it up.

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